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ndiddy |
just snagged a model m for $33 |
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ndiddy |
i feel pretty giddy |
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snape_ |
As well you should :) |
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ndiddy |
unicomp wanted $40 to fix my water damaged one and i'm not made of money |
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xmc |
not too shabby |
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xmc |
what vintage, ndiddy? |
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ndiddy |
'94 |
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xmc nod |
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01:12
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ndiddy |
only downside is the 1 piece keycaps but i can just swap those out with the unicomp's |
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xmc |
i have a late-80s spacesaver, A+ |
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ndiddy |
how many kidneys did you have to sell to get one of those |
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xmc |
well |
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xmc |
i sold my soul to capitalism, they pay well |
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snape_ |
'89, '94, '98 here, all full-size. 1998 one is spare, NIB. |
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ndiddy |
m2 looks cooler but i wouldn't pay more than $20 for one |
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snape_ |
Also have six or seven other keyboards. And some stupid expensive keycaps. >.> |
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ndiddy |
inferior build quality, plus surface mount caps are a pita to replace |
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Spring |
um wtf, http://isup.me/archive.today |
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Spring |
anyone know for how long? |
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01:18
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godane |
so looks like Caliphate was first said on Hannity on jan 28 2011 9:00pm: https://archive.org/details/tv?q=caliphate&time=20110106-20110131 |
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godane |
then on CSPAN on BOOK TV After Words the next night at 10PM |
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Spring |
hmm, the domain must have expired. Didn't realize I was using the alternate URL. |
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vitzli |
Spring, archive.is/archive.today has problems with archive.today domain: http://blog.archive.is/post/138982909006/domain-problems-again |
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SketchCow |
I did not need to know about bibanon |
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SketchCow |
forgotten |
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JesseW is always glad of the existence of mutually-hostile archiving efforts |
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SketchCow |
nnnggghhh |
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snape_ |
At the risk of sounding excessively stupid, or excessively paranoid, is there any meaningful value to including, say, 2-3% PAR2 files with uploads to the IA? I make 'em anyway for stuff I burn to CD/DVD/BD, so... |
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xmc |
IA keeps two copies of uploaded things, but at 2% if you thik it's worth it then why not |
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JesseW |
snape_: aside from the two copies, IA also provides md5, sha1 and crc32 hashes for each file -- so I don't think including the *.par2 files has much point. |
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xmc |
it helps recover in case of corruption, checksums only get you error detection |
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snape_ |
JesseW, the hashes will tell you a file is modified/altered/corrupted; a par2 file will help you repair it. |
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snape_ |
I'm just not clear if IA even accepts them; I can't seem to find any uploads that include them, which seems odd... |
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JesseW |
I know the volume files have recovery information -- I was referring to the index files. |
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03:18
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JesseW |
I'm pretty certain IA doens't have any blanket restrictions on types of files it accepts. |
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JesseW |
There might be a post-facto removal of some file types (and par2 might be included, although I can't see why). |
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snape_ |
Guess I can just upload some and see, lol. |
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vitzli |
what is the expected scenario for par2 files? |
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JesseW |
snape_: please update the archiveteam wiki page on IA with whatever you find out |
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snape_ |
Bitrot, incomplete download, any sort of processing that would alter/strip included metadata (like EXIF fields), nefariousness by the GFW, or just general paranoia, probably in that order. |
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Frogging |
GFW? |
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03:25
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snape_ |
Great Fire Wall (of China). |
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vitzli |
are you going to upload them into the same item? |
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snape_ |
That was the idea, yeah |
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Specular |
vitzli, I like how on Tumblr there are no answers to his question, only likes |
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Specular |
I like Hover.com but have no idea on their takedown policies |
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vitzli |
snape_, probably uploading them is the best way to find out. But, as I understand, IA does not touch original files, whatever they are |
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vitzli |
maybe behavior with CDX is different |
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snape_ |
Yeah, I'll give it a shot once I find something it makes sense to include them with. Unfortunately I don't have much that it'd make sense to attach them to right now. Mostly just WARCs, and Youtube material the IA doesn't want anyway. |
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vitzli |
I have an iso uploaded to IA, I may try it |
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vitzli |
any custom par2 options? |
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JesseW |
why would it make more sense to use it on non-WARCs? |
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vitzli |
-r 3 - level of redundancy? |
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snape_ |
Not non-WARCs per se, but filetypes that can't be displayed directly via the IA. Like software, say. |
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snape_ |
Yea, par2create -r3 filename /path/to/files_to_be_included |
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03:42
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vitzli |
I would choose .isos solely because they were written to media already |
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03:42
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snape_ |
Where 3 is the percentage of recovery blocks you want... |
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JesseW |
you are saying it makes more sense to use par2 on filetypes that can't be displayed directly, presumably because ones that can be displayed directly can be visually inspected for errors? |
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vitzli |
so it would not be just for me, but for somebody who already has the disk, but it developed minor errors and it's not worth downloading the whole item/file to fix it |
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vitzli |
is it a good idea to limit number of recovery files to just 1? |
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03:47
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snape_ |
Ones that can be displayed directly are less likely to cause problems if corrupted. In the grand scheme of things, a corrupted .png isn't a huge deal. A corrupted BIOS image for a motherboard or whatever would be something I'd want to offer maximum confidence in. |
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snape_ |
vitzli, for large files it may make sense to split the recovery files - so if someone just needs two recovery blocks to fix a 20GB ISO, they can just download as many blocks as they need, not a gajillion of 'em. |
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xmc |
20gb isn't that much data |
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vitzli |
734316544 (701MiB) bytes iso file - 3% is only 22MiB |
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snape_ |
xmc, 20GB is plenty of data in parts of the world where high-speed internet means, say, a 1200/200kbps ADSL line. >.< |
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xmc |
in 20 years that will be less of a problem |
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xmc |
make a single par file for the whole thing and upload it next to it |
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xmc |
done |
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snape_ |
Hm, can the IA display Excel .xls spreadsheets? I've got a couple of those I could upload... |
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xmc |
not yet, but go for it |
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JesseW |
snape_: also, note that IA automatically generates torrent files for all items, so that provides a way for people to re-download just the corrupted parts of a large file. |
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MrRadar |
It might be a good idea to include a CSV version (assuming that's possible) so the data can be veiwed in-browser |
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MrRadar |
JesseW: If a file is > 25 GB in size the IA won't include it in the item's torrent |
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MrRadar: ah, right, I'd heard that. |
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vitzli |
oh, that's why there is no .torrent for isohunt tars |
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JesseW |
In that case, manually creating a torrent (and a PAR file) is probably worth doing. |
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also, there's a known (well, I've bugged them about it repeatedly) bug where the script for moving items from one server to another doesn't update the torrent with the new location |
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vitzli |
I have to download that monster somehow |
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and it only gets 1.5MB/s top |
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vitzli |
.par2 uploaded successfully to fantasy-clipart-2001 item, .vol00+60.par2 still hiding somewhere |
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snape_ |
Didn't reject the par2 files at upload, now just have to wait... "There are 781 tasks queued to run before yours" |
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vitzli |
Didn't reject mine either |
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vitzli |
wondering if vol00+60 hiding because of the queue length |
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vitzli |
nnope, appeared |
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snape_ |
Okay, well, we've answered that it's possible. Whether it's a good idea is clearly another matter entirely... |
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vitzli |
Spring, archive.is/archive.today has problems with archive.today domain: http://blog.archive.is/post/138982909006/domain-problems-again |
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vitzli |
it seems that IA does not recognize par2 files, at least for existing items, they are behind 'show all' |
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snape_ |
Same for new items, FWIW. |
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snape_ |
Which is how it should be, probably. |
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JesseW |
So, the IA census data includes which collections each item is in. |
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JesseW |
I'd like to convert this into some kind of interesting visualization, but I'm not sure what. |
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JesseW |
Thoughts? |
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vitzli |
bookshelves :) |
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JesseW |
vitzli: say more... |
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Spring |
vitzli, thx |
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vitzli |
or maybe something like old norton speeddisk map - each item has total size property, don't remember the key, but it has, so it should be possible to draw box/pixel corresponding to each item |
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vitzli |
and collection is the set of these boxes |
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vitzli |
just to visualize the size of collection in more comprehensible meaning than '14302 items' |
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JesseW |
Hm, that could be neat, yes. |
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vitzli |
and you can make subgroups based on d1/d2 keys - servers that host items |
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JesseW |
vitzli: unfortunently, d1/d2 keys are *not* in the census data. |
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vitzli |
on the other hand it may be not a good idea to do for all census data, since item could be in several different collections, which would give the false impression on total size |
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vitzli |
but for single collection - sure |
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vitzli |
or maybe visualize books collections in terms of how much space would real books take - with pixel-artsy books, I think I could do it, programming, that is |
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JesseW |
please do, that certainly sounds neat |
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vitzli |
there is no page count, but size for both pdfs and djvus at least gives the impression |
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JesseW |
I think what I'm going to crunch out right now is just a tab-separated-value list of collection \t identifier, which will at least provide an easy to process mapping of the contents of all the collections. |
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vitzli |
isohunt.teapot.tar.gz, ETA: 23h18m |
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vitzli |
I could pull the textures form bibliocraft (minecraft mod) at least I could get an idea how texture/shelf should look like |
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vitzli |
I tried to build the library from book lists in minecraft, but it hanged before hitting 500 books, which is pathetic |
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vitzli |
bbl |
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JesseW |
Over 7 million associations between collections and identifiers seen so far. |
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JesseW |
and it's only 30% through |
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JesseW |
A total of over 28 million. |
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Specular |
Google search becomes shittier every day |
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JesseW |
Specular: most things do, yes. What did you notice just now? |
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yipdw |
I guess you could say that Google search is not the highlight of Specular's day |
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JesseW |
:-P |
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yipdw |
that said, Google results are increasingly a direct reflection of what you search |
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Specular |
JesseW, just another search query that fails to return /anything/ relevant |
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yipdw |
sorry it's hard to not make graphics jokes |
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Specular |
*ba dum tish* |
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JesseW |
ha |
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* |
JesseW grumble -- I (stupidly) used GNU parallel's --ungroup option -- and it bit me (as it was warned to do). |
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JesseW |
OK, I've loaded the collections info into sqlite, and from that produced a list of the top 100 collections, by number of items. They are as follows: http://0bin.net/paste/lKR0fP6gvUUKgVN7#8kQXBWTNu0vEiV0xgboDKxZOFdcpeEpQKhgeHiA8jjz |
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JesseW |
Hm, that's odd. It seems like there are only ~16,000 collections listed in my data, but a search for mediatype:collection shows over 100,000... |
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JesseW |
Ah, favorites. That's why |
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Specular |
0bin.net, what a neat site |
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JesseW |
yeah, it really is |
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godane |
SketchCow: i found a old appile journal/magazine called Washington Apple Pi Journal |
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JesseW |
Also the "search_collection" metadata option, which makes a "virtual" collection that displays the results of the given search, rather than the items actually tagged with that collection. |
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so i noticed something odd with some of the kpfa for 2008-09-04 and 2008-09-05 mp3s |
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one is that some files are even |
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like lengths of 10000000 or 20000000 or 30000000 |
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one mp3 gives 2 different time codes |
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17:00 in xmms |
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55:32 in vlc |
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anyways there maybe some cuts with these hours |
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standard file size is normally 10776576 or 10780672 for one hour program |
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these files with bad size are all from september 7 208 |
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*2008 |
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86 TB left! |
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Countdown to the next 2.5 PB :D |
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arkiver: 86TB of what left? IA free space? |
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I once found a url that was a live monitor of IA space, I can't find it now :/ |
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mismatch, https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/ |
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also, look - ftp upload! I didn't know they exist |
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https://archive.org/~tracey/mrtg/textsn.html This graph must be about my niece. |
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whooo internet |
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Internet 6/10, would tube again |
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i0npulse |
Outernet is the next big thing |
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nah, intranet. I want to get the North Korean Intranet into the IA |
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There's actually a real company called Outernet. They buy "air time" on DVB-S2 satellites and broadcast daily data dumps of CC/public domain content to people with USB satellite receivers. https://outernet.is/ |
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i0npulse |
That is pretty incredible. I did not know about that. |
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i0npulse |
So it is possible to broadcast files via this medium? |
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Or is only the company broadcasting them? |
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MrRadar |
The selections are currated by the company but you can submit content: https://wiki.outernet.is/wiki/Edit_Outernet |
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i0npulse |
Demoscene/Chiptune/Tracker stuff would be perfect for this. |
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i0npulse |
Low file size, maximum intellectual inspiration, and share the code. |
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vitzli: thanks! this is also interesting http://gmeta1.us.archive.org/ganglia/ |
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also, this is pretty fascinating to look through http://graphite.us.archive.org/dashboard/ |
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yipdw |
oh joy time to patch 61 EC2 instances |
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I have to patch ~670 metal instances. Admittedly, 641 of those is a matter of making 2 new images and rebooting them. |
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yipdw |
I'm thinking about applying the "meh" approach |
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zino |
We did some testing, and if you have your own bind as a resolver it's much harder to exploit. |
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yipdw |
I think that approach is done by the 1% |
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yipdw |
I really don't know many people at all who run their own resolvers, every OS makes it a pain in the ass to do so |
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I guess if you have a trusted internal network that makes it a bit easier but then again |
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i run a local resolver on one machine |
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but other than that no |
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I used to, then I realized that it didn't work in some wifi situations on Ubuntu |
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We have our own resolvers for the clusters. |
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after looking at a bunch of non-documentation on dnsmasq and NetworkManager I applied the FuckIt procedure |
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xmc |
yeah |
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xmc |
i did that when i was noodling around with Weird DNS |
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like having the same names resolve to internal or external addresses depending on what interface the query came from |
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I mean, supposedly dnsmasq is a resolver(?) |
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yeah, i think it recurses |
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yipdw |
anyway it is nice that currently public exploitation techniques for this require certain timeout conditions in the process under attack |
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yipdw |
so it's not a push-button-get-root just yet |
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i0npulse |
yipdw: whats the meh approach? not doing anything? |
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i0npulse: yeah |
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i0npulse |
lol, cool |
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yipdw |
you know Javascript fatigue, I have computer fatigue |
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yipdw |
if you like, we can name the meh approach differently and package it for professional contexts |
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i0npulse |
ah like brand it? a la <insert framework here> |
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yipdw |
we'll call it Conservative Change Risk Analysis-Based System Administration |
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xmc |
Triage Based System Administration |
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i0npulse |
oh, jargon style |
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i0npulse |
i like it |
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xmc |
CCRABSA nice |
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xmc |
C-CRABS Administration |
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yipdw |
do you have CCRABSA level 3 certification |
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xmc |
also Liberal, Moderate, and Yolo CRABS |
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yipdw |
I mean, with EC2 there is a second approach, which is "recycle all instances in rolling mode" |
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which, if you use Amazon's Linux distro and they've caught up, will apply security updates |
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xmc |
Kill Your Elderly |
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I don't think autoupdates are enabled otherwise though |
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xmc: yeah it's like being released in The Giver |
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yipdw |
we sing a song about their accomplishments |
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Doesn't seem like many (any?) CentOS repos have the update yet, sigh. >.< |
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update all the things \o/ |
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The rather obscure service http://demo.ovh.eu is going away. http://status.ovh.net/?do=details&id=12228 - Is it worth attempting a save? |
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HCross |
its basic filesharing |
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xmc |
do you have a bytes/files/users estimate? |
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HCross |
I dont, but it seems to basically be a way of sharing text files |
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ah, kind of a pastebin? |
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HCross |
yea, sort of. But for files |
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HCross |
http://demo.ovh.eu/en/a002e29c1c9f79d290acec738f784631/ |
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HCross |
is the sort of thing you get when you share a file |
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ah |
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xmc |
hm, it looks inherently time-limited anyway |
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phuzion |
How do you intend to discover the IDs? |
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Yea. I am really unsure on how to discover them |
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its working out what that string is "a002e29c1c9f79d290acec738f784631" |
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"Your files will be available for: 30 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes |
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" - riiight |
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