#archiveteam-bs 2016-06-18,Sat

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02:07 πŸ”— godane some one is starting to upload coursera to kat.cr : https://kat.cr/user/eru_melkor/uploads/
02:09 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm getting hammered on every comm channel about coursera
02:09 πŸ”— xmc i'm seeing people join this channel every three hours and ask about it
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02:53 πŸ”— yipdw "mpv is a fork of mplayer2 and MPlayer"
02:53 πŸ”— yipdw goddamn that codebase
02:54 πŸ”— yipdw it gets forked as often as a salad
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03:12 πŸ”— godane looks like i can login using facebook on to coursera
04:17 πŸ”— pikhq yipdw: mpv also tossed out like half of it. :P
04:17 πŸ”— yipdw pikhq: that explains why it built so fast
04:17 πŸ”— pikhq (... mpv takes the frankly reasonable standpoint that if ffmpeg/libav have good or superior implementations of a codec, it deserves to get removed from mpv.)
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05:16 πŸ”— yipdw pikhq: makes sense to me. I really only stumbled upon it because my local mplayer2 build didn't handle h265
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05:58 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: i'm starting to upload some of the Coursera i have downloaded
05:58 πŸ”— godane i'm putting time onto your FOS
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08:27 πŸ”— schbirid i love mpv
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16:00 πŸ”— Legionof7 I think I've seen you on anonops joe
16:00 πŸ”— joepie91 Legionof7: was an AnonOps oper for a short while back in... 2010? then acted as a 'backseat oper' on-and-off for a few years(?)
16:01 πŸ”— Legionof7 ah thats why
16:01 πŸ”— joepie91 was also involved in voxanon after anonops went to shit, etc
16:01 πŸ”— Legionof7 whats voxanon?
16:01 πŸ”— joepie91 and ran anonnews.org (which is still due to come back at some point), and so on
16:01 πŸ”— Legionof7 Ah I see
16:02 πŸ”— Legionof7 Well, I've been away from Anonymous for a year?
16:02 πŸ”— Legionof7 2?
16:02 πŸ”— joepie91 Legionof7: spin-off network, trying to avoid the pitfalls of anonops and its crappy 'leadership'
16:02 πŸ”— joepie91 eventually went to crap for $longStory reasons
16:02 πŸ”— joepie91 and merged back into anonops
16:02 πŸ”— joepie91 Legionof7: and well, I haven't really done anything on anonops for a long while now
16:02 πŸ”— joepie91 :P
16:03 πŸ”— Legionof7 yeah, neither have I. No more Anon for me
16:03 πŸ”— joepie91 not really worth the servers on which it's hosted anymore, thanks to said leadership
16:03 πŸ”— joepie91 mmm
16:03 πŸ”— joepie91 don't confuse 'anon' and 'anonops'
16:05 πŸ”— Legionof7 yeah
16:06 πŸ”— Legionof7 but im involved in a bunch of other things now
16:06 πŸ”— Legionof7 Bernie campaign, now Jill
16:06 πŸ”— Legionof7 Liquid Democracy project
16:06 πŸ”— Legionof7 Ethereum
16:06 πŸ”— Legionof7 school lol
16:11 πŸ”— schbirid ethereum lol
16:14 πŸ”— arkiver https://blog.archive.org/2016/06/16/geez-now-internet-insurance/
16:15 πŸ”— arkiver "One change we could make would be to send our traffic through CloudFlare, or similar, to filter out unwelcome packets as an οΏ½Insurance against Internet attackers.οΏ½"
16:16 πŸ”— schbirid "would mean that our traffic would go through someone else’s hosts, which means $, privacy loss, and general loss of the end-to-end Internet."
16:17 πŸ”— xmc <3
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18:56 πŸ”— yipdw yeah, that IA blog post
18:56 πŸ”— yipdw I don't really know how they do it, I largely gave up trying to run any Internet infrastructure at any scale
18:56 πŸ”— yipdw it's impossible if you want to do other things, like breathing
18:57 πŸ”— yipdw too many assholes with too many weapons
18:57 πŸ”— yipdw the fact that some jerk hasn't DoSed archivebot is kind of amazing to me; it has basically no defense against that whatsoever (although I guess sometimes it DoSes itself ohohoho)
18:58 πŸ”— Atluxity yeah, the cost of attack vs cost of defence ratio is way way WAY unbalanced
18:58 πŸ”— Atluxity sets mode: +oo yipdw schbirid
18:59 πŸ”— yipdw oh yeah
18:59 πŸ”— Igloo Not a lot you can do at huge scale
18:59 πŸ”— Igloo Except hide as much as you possibly can
18:59 πŸ”— yipdw and the defense cost is an ongoing one
19:00 πŸ”— Sanqui I can't help but wonder why this problem isn't more widespread and known about
19:01 πŸ”— JesseW It's known -- I suspect it's one of the motives behind the [tinfoil hat on] effort to lock down the 'net [tinfoil hat off].
19:02 πŸ”— schbirid maybe IA will turn to some distributed thing
19:02 πŸ”— schbirid for the public items
19:03 πŸ”— JesseW They are certainly actively interested and working on such efforts, yeah
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19:11 πŸ”— DoomTay I'm sure that is part of the plan for Wayback Machine 2.0
19:12 πŸ”— JesseW ris: mapillary currently claims to have 66,859,731 photos, and the downloads seem to be 2048x1536px, or about 300 KB per photo
19:12 πŸ”— ris :)
19:12 πŸ”— JesseW Which would give a total of about 20TB
19:13 πŸ”— JesseW which isn't bad *at all*
19:13 πŸ”— ris manageable
19:13 πŸ”— DoomTay Wat?
19:13 πŸ”— Igloo I think the only way to do it if they want to run their own systems is to deploy something like OVH have done for their estate
19:13 πŸ”— ris managable
19:13 πŸ”— DoomTay Storage space must be expensive though
19:13 πŸ”— ris either way it's spelt
19:14 πŸ”— ris the reason i thought of it is lots of openstreetmappers use it as their "source of truth" for mapping
19:15 πŸ”— ris and it's nice to think that you can rely on it being there "forever"
19:15 πŸ”— JesseW 20TB is big enough that it'd probably be courteous to confirm that IA is willing/interested in hosting a copy first. I expect they probably *are*, but it's good to check.
19:17 πŸ”— JesseW mappilaary seems to be hosting the images on https://d1cuyjsrcm0gby.cloudfront.net/8jzhTr1gPjvx9nuvCZkXSA/thumb-2048.jpg
19:17 πŸ”— JesseW IDK what cloudfront's charges are for mass-exports.
19:18 πŸ”— arkiver do we need to get mapillary?
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19:20 πŸ”— JesseW arkiver: I don't think there's any active hurry, no.
19:20 πŸ”— JesseW This is more of a general thinking-out process.
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19:21 πŸ”— schbirid just ask them
19:21 πŸ”— schbirid they are highly likely to be very supportive
19:21 πŸ”— schbirid i asked them in the past
19:21 πŸ”— JesseW *hopefully* we can negotiate a regular mail delivery of a hard drive with images on it from mapillary to IA.
19:21 πŸ”— JesseW schbirid: what did they say when you asked them?
19:22 πŸ”— schbirid it was on twitter iirc and impossible to find, i think it was "contact us" which i then forgot about
19:22 πŸ”— schbirid they are super pro open and free
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19:23 πŸ”— schbirid it would be a kick in the nuts if people started scraping them like mad even if well-intended
19:23 πŸ”— JesseW yeah, scraping seems like a bad idea at this point, indeed
19:24 πŸ”— DoomTay Who, IA or mapillary?
19:25 πŸ”— JesseW DoomTay: mapillary
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19:34 πŸ”— ris yeah, i don't know of any specific threat to mapillary, just precaution
19:37 πŸ”— JesseW ris: If you want, it'd probably be good to make an entry for Mapillary on the archiveteam wiki, just to provide a central place to record the status of efforts
19:37 πŸ”— ris that's an idea
19:37 πŸ”— JesseW the secret word is yahoosucks
19:37 πŸ”— ris ok
19:38 πŸ”— DoomTay I was just about to ask that
19:38 πŸ”— DoomTay I am about to get thogether a page for Coursera
19:39 πŸ”— DoomTay Wait, if the channels are logged, then wouldn't one be able to get the secret word from there?
19:39 πŸ”— DoomTay Unless it changes?
19:40 πŸ”— JesseW yep, one can very easily get the secret word from the logs :-)
19:40 πŸ”— JesseW it's not that secret
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19:42 πŸ”— JesseW if a spammer bothers to write a bot (or hire a human) persistent enough to do a websearch for the wording of the "what's the secret word" question, then, well -- they are welcome to do so (we'll still revert the spamming promptly, though)
19:42 πŸ”— JesseW it's still quite a bit of a speedbump for your average wikispammer, at least for now
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20:04 πŸ”— ris JesseW: a start http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Mapillary
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20:09 πŸ”— JesseW ris, DoomTay: looks good
20:13 πŸ”— DoomTay Now that I think about it, I might need clarification on project statuses. I'm starting to think Coursera would be a "special case" rather than closing
20:15 πŸ”— DoomTay And I presume a "lost" site means it wasn't saved at all?
20:21 πŸ”— JesseW yeah, special case seems good
20:23 πŸ”— DoomTay I noticed that a lot of project channels have "witty" names. I wonder what Courera's would be if it came to that
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20:36 πŸ”— whydomain What's the best way to batch rotate a large number of TIFF images without losing quality?
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20:36 πŸ”— whydomain (Majority of online answers suggest ImageMagick, but that is lossy)
20:42 πŸ”— Smiley whydomain: is there a format it'll rotate non lossy? if so, convert to that format, run it, convert back to tiff.
20:45 πŸ”— zino The warchive chunker is doing something interesting. 20% CPU util, <10% disk util. I wonder where the heck is it spending time...
20:46 πŸ”— zino It's ping-pong-ish between cores. What the heck.
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20:49 πŸ”— whydomain @Smiley: I don't think so. (It's for magazines I've been scanning to upload to IA).
20:50 πŸ”— whydomain In fact, ImageMagick doesn't even rotate properly, there are errors in the image. (Maybe the ~300mb image at 1200dpi is too much for it?)
20:52 πŸ”— zino So pinning the chunker to one core made it more than twice as quick. Why it a problem for next weeks zino. Todays zino is going to grab food.
20:52 πŸ”— Smiley http://sylvana.net/jpegcrop/jpegtran/
20:52 πŸ”— Smiley Maybe this :/
20:53 πŸ”— Smiley I read some of the 'why we can't rotate jpeg losslessly' on the IM forums and got confused.
20:56 πŸ”— whydomain I'm guessing that's only for JPEG and not TIFF.
20:57 πŸ”— Smiley convert to jpeg, do translation, convert back
20:58 πŸ”— Smiley tbh i'd expect most translations to be converting to bmp or something simple anyways
20:58 πŸ”— Smiley maybe that's why it errors, OOM?
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21:10 πŸ”— whydomain Hmm, I though this would be simpler. Converting to JPEG (lossy) will lose quality.
21:11 πŸ”— whydomain I've just tried rotation in LXDE 'Image Viewer'. Before translation: ~240mb, after translation: ~550mb
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21:30 πŸ”— godane here is my incomplete list of coursera class videos : http://pastebin.com/MBf87bJi
21:30 πŸ”— godane i have found the names but i figure someone here could download it
21:31 πŸ”— godane i only uploaded audio-002, datasci-001 and mythology-002 to FOS
21:41 πŸ”— arkiver godane, I'm working on small project to grab it all
21:41 πŸ”— godane cool
21:41 πŸ”— godane right now i don't have space
21:41 πŸ”— schbirid graphicsmagick is a nice im fork
21:42 πŸ”— schbirid but there is another, cant remember the name right now
21:42 πŸ”— arkiver also, some courses, like nlp are not available
21:42 πŸ”— arkiver or cannot be signed up for easily
21:42 πŸ”— godane the drive i do have space is NTFS i'm trying to slowly upload and reformat to ext4
21:43 πŸ”— godane *and to
21:43 πŸ”— godane NTFS-3G froze my system twice for some reason
21:44 πŸ”— schbirid VIPS / nip2 it is http://www.vips.ecs.soton.ac.uk/index.php?title=VIPS
21:44 πŸ”— schbirid whydomain: ^
21:45 πŸ”— schbirid but maybe you could use some tif tags for rotation?
21:55 πŸ”— godane i'm uploading 7 missing g4tv video in the 42xxx area
21:55 πŸ”— godane *videos
21:56 πŸ”— godane also jezebel.com is mostly done
21:56 πŸ”— godane i'm uploading 2015 web archives right now
21:56 πŸ”— godane i'm also downloading first 5 months of 2016
22:00 πŸ”— godane i'm also uploading io9.gizmodo.com for 2015
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