#archiveteam-bs 2016-07-28,Thu

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00:36 🔗 joepie91_ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/07/photographer-sues-getty-images-for-selling-photos-she-donated-to-public/
00:37 🔗 joepie91_ A well-known American photographer has now sued Getty Images and other related companies—she claims they have been wrongly been selling copyright license for over 18,000 of her photos that she had already donated to the public for free, via the Library of Congress. [...] Getty must therefore account for well over one billion dollars ($1B) in statutory copyright damages in this case.
00:37 🔗 joepie91_ (note: the 1B is the demand)
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02:05 🔗 DoomTay I don
02:05 🔗 DoomTay I don
02:06 🔗 DoomTay I don't know where https://archive.org/details/portalgraphics-20160618224205 came from, but I think it's supposed to be a web format
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03:35 🔗 godane i'm looking at my scanner again
03:35 🔗 godane there is still no support for linux
03:35 🔗 godane even the vuescan page will say no on linux support: https://web.archive.org/web/20140302163727/http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/plustek_opticbook_4800.html
03:36 🔗 godane old and current
04:01 🔗 ranma oops
04:01 🔗 ranma <Pent> 8:05 EST: It looks like members from /r/altright have been preemptively banned from /r/The_Donald. Here's a thread about the ban. - /u/vr4el and others.
04:01 🔗 ranma <Pent> 7:31 EST: Trump has made two short comments. The two highest voted comments are deleted. Screenshot of top comment and some of its responses -/u/stopscopiesme
04:01 🔗 ranma do AMAs get slurped up by IA or someone?
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04:12 🔗 DoomTay I know DeviantArt isn
04:13 🔗 DoomTay isn't showing any real signs of danger right now apart from that "open letter" from a few weeks ago, but I couldn't help but think about how the archival project would be managed
04:13 🔗 DoomTay Mainly how if it was a warrior project, people would probably want to have their machines prioritize certain artists or images, and the warrior "engine" doesn't allow for that, does it?
04:14 🔗 yipdw yes, we have a copy of that trainwreck from archivebot, in case the moon archivists of the future want to know why the Earth is a blasted hellscape
04:16 🔗 DoomTay A part of me wants to actually read a bit of that AMA
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05:27 🔗 JesseW I see that we haven't updated the secretword yet
05:28 🔗 DoomTay I thought that yahoo sucks now more than ever, given what could possibly be happening
05:29 🔗 JesseW certainly, but shouldn't we call it yahzon now?
05:29 🔗 JesseW or verioo
05:29 🔗 JesseW verihoo?
05:30 🔗 bwn verizoo! sounds like a fun plastic musical instrument
05:30 🔗 DoomTay Dang, beat me to it
05:31 🔗 JesseW cheap plastic -- probably breaks quickly
05:32 🔗 bwn yeah, you'd need to get the 3 pack :(
05:33 🔗 JesseW yahoo + verizon = vyearhiozoon, if we're going for the eldritch, unpronounceable by human tongues version...
05:34 🔗 JesseW or yvaehroiozon, the other way around
05:35 🔗 JesseW or voeorhiazyon or veoroihzaoyn
05:40 🔗 bwn almost sounds like supervillain names
05:41 🔗 DoomTay I keep thinking of https://youtu.be/IPG3eDTy-yo?t=968
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06:12 🔗 DoomTay I'm not sure whether to mark portalgraphics as saved or partially saved
06:12 🔗 DoomTay The warrior wasn't able to get 500-some-odd users in time, but I myself was able to get each user's info page and every page of their gallery
06:13 🔗 DoomTay Or should it wait until the archives actually become available?
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11:59 🔗 joepie91 https://twitter.com/joepie91/status/758632151952883713
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15:04 🔗 Frogging Is there a way to do an SSH tunnel without encryption? I'm trying to minimize CPU usage
15:05 🔗 Frogging it doesn't even have to be SSH, just something similar in concept with the SOCKS proxy
15:05 🔗 BartoCH i doubt, but you can change the cipher to something faster though
15:06 🔗 BartoCH ssh -Q cipher lists your available ciphers
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15:08 🔗 Frogging I wonder why they don't have a "none" cipher or something, like openvpn
15:08 🔗 BartoCH well, if you do so, the "secure" in "secure shell" is meaningless
15:08 🔗 BartoCH you're back to the rsh days
15:11 🔗 Frogging Sometimes it doesn't need to be secure though as much as it needs to be fast. The SSH protocol is pretty versatile
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15:28 🔗 ranma first result on my googlebot
15:28 🔗 ranma http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/112287/copy-files-without-encryption-ssh-in-local-network
15:28 🔗 joepie91 Frogging: what's the problem you're trying to solve?
15:28 🔗 ranma with a dumb query
15:29 🔗 Frogging joepie91: CPU usage with SSH tunnels
15:29 🔗 Frogging But it turns out that was actually caused by compression
15:29 🔗 joepie91 Frogging: I mean the problem. not the bottleneck you're running into
15:29 🔗 joepie91 like, what are you trying to do
15:29 🔗 joepie91 why are you using SSH, what's the purpose
15:29 🔗 Frogging ah
15:29 🔗 joepie91 the higher-level situation :P
15:30 🔗 Frogging so I have a server in Europe, and downloading from it on my home connection is quite slow (less than 1MB/s). But my VPS (which I assume is better peered) can max out its uplink
15:30 🔗 Frogging so from my house, tunneling through the VPS to access the server results in much faster transfer speeds
15:30 🔗 joepie91 right
15:31 🔗 joepie91 well, my usual recommendation would be an openvpn-in-a-box setup
15:31 🔗 Frogging I tried openvpn actually. It was quite a bit slower than SSH for some reason
15:31 🔗 joepie91 there's a few scripts for this
15:31 🔗 joepie91 shouldn't be
15:31 🔗 joepie91 might just be misconfigured
15:31 🔗 Frogging yeah, I'm not sure what the issue is
15:31 🔗 joepie91 packets are packets :P
15:31 🔗 Frogging indeed
15:31 🔗 joepie91 Frogging: ex. https://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/10587/openvpn-automated-installer
15:31 🔗 Frogging but maybe the encapsulation of TCP into UDP is causing a problem?
15:32 🔗 Frogging TCP-in-TCP with openvpn is actually far worse though
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15:35 🔗 BartoCH lowest overhead you can have is by using netcat
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15:42 🔗 Frogging I wonder what the difference is between connecting directly to the server, and connecting through the VPS, that makes it faster
15:43 🔗 Frogging maybe I skip a shitty route over the ocean by using a DC
15:44 🔗 yipdw man I am so glad there is no "none" cipher in ssh
15:44 🔗 yipdw imagine the Stack Overflow answers
15:44 🔗 BartoCH yipdw: *cough* like in ssl? *cough*
15:44 🔗 yipdw "How do I make this faster?"
15:44 🔗 yipdw BartoCH: yeah
15:45 🔗 yipdw the null cipher suite is such a dumb idea
15:45 🔗 BartoCH yipdw: or the export ones
15:45 🔗 Frogging well reducing overhead when security isn't a priority isn't a bad idea
15:45 🔗 yipdw BartoCH: well we have history for that one so there's reasns
15:45 🔗 BartoCH yipdw: yeah, but i'm still surprised it's somewhat still supported
15:45 🔗 yipdw me too
15:45 🔗 BartoCH and not denied to use
15:46 🔗 Frogging if you have to enable it explicitly I don't see what the problem is
15:46 🔗 yipdw the problem is people reading the internet and thinking that they measured the bottleneck correctly
15:47 🔗 Frogging if you change the setting and it makes it faster then it was a bottleneck, if it doesn't work you can change it back
15:48 🔗 yipdw I don't believe in cutting off arms to reduce joint pain, although it definitely does that
15:48 🔗 yipdw as with joint pain, you are usually better off figuring out what the real problem is (e.g. compression overhead) than tweaking knobs without risk analysis
15:48 🔗 yipdw anyway
15:49 🔗 BartoCH cipher is not often the bottleneck, it's more often compression+I/O.
15:49 🔗 Frogging it's about priorities, some applications are either already secured on a higher layer or they don't need to be secured anyway
15:49 🔗 * yipdw just wishes security code would provide fewer options because in reality you just don't have a spectrum of choice
15:50 🔗 yipdw and it's getting better with faster ciphers etc
15:50 🔗 yipdw providing knobs to sysadmins is like laser pointers to cats
15:53 🔗 Frogging I prefer tools to be versatile rather than the developers deciding which use cases aren't important
15:54 🔗 yipdw k
15:58 🔗 Frogging but, they're open source. so at least people wishing to experiment or fulfil special requirements can modify them.
15:59 🔗 yipdw normally I agree
16:00 🔗 yipdw however with protocols (security, but also other things, like XMPP) I don't think having a wide range of options there is really that helpful
16:01 🔗 yipdw well XMPP is an instance; let's say "communication protocols generally"
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16:03 🔗 yipdw one example that gets cited a lot with security protocol options and why they're a headache is protocol version negotiation, but going even beyond that, having a lot of knobs can just make it a pain in the ass to talk
16:04 🔗 Frogging Yeah, that makes sense. I guess it depends on how many people are generally using an instance. There's less leeway in running, for example, a public website. Compared to a private storage server used by one or two people who know how it's configured
16:04 🔗 BartoCH most protocols nowadays do not really specify fixed ciphers, it's more thought to be extended from start.
16:04 🔗 yipdw i once tried to do a video call with a co-worker over XMPP. theoretically this is possible with XMPP/Jingle. we spent an hour trying to figure out why our servers couldn't talk and eventually just went to Skype
16:04 🔗 yipdw I mean we could text chat fine, because that's the base layer (most? all?) XMPP servers implement
16:05 🔗 yipdw in a case like that I would have preferred that XMPP define one way to do it and one way to say "this server doesn't implement this extension, install this"
16:06 🔗 yipdw this is a tricky problem and it really clashes with what BartoCH alludes to re protocol evolution
16:06 🔗 yipdw it's also a bit of what Moxie Marlinspike was talking about w/r/t why Signal is centralized
16:06 🔗 yipdw anyway I went way off the rails didn't I
16:06 🔗 Frogging does XMPP allow so much variation in implementations or do people just not read the spec? Because I did find XMPP a bit of a nightmare with regard to various clients supporting features and supporting them properly
16:06 🔗 yipdw I think a little of column A, little of column B
16:07 🔗 yipdw mind you, I haven't *tried* to do a video call since then. it's totally possible it's gotten better but the initial experience wasn't that good, and these days people want to video call on Skype or FaceTime or Webex or GoToMeeting
16:07 🔗 BartoCH i sadly do not have enough friends that are into xmpp, so sad
16:07 🔗 Frogging I had carbon copying enabled, which ostensibly syncs messages between clients. Sending a message on my PC would make it appear on my phone but not the other way around
16:08 🔗 xmc i have given up on xmpp
16:09 🔗 yipdw another place where options cause amazingly complicated behavior is HTTP content negotiation
16:09 🔗 xmc i was happy with it when facebook had c2s and google had s2s
16:09 🔗 xmc and then they both dropped it
16:09 🔗 BartoCH yipdw: with this extensibility, i just find it sad that nobody is getting itself into the mud and try new things in term of crypto primitives.
16:09 🔗 xmc so now i only talk to people i can reach from my irc client
16:09 🔗 yipdw I think that only works because people invest huge sums of money into making it mostly okay
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16:11 🔗 yipdw BartoCH: well there's the Salsa/ChaCha families
16:11 🔗 yipdw and everything else by djb
16:11 🔗 yipdw were you thinking of something else?
16:11 🔗 BartoCH yep, sadly he's the only one getting into it
16:12 🔗 BartoCH i'd love to see some post quantum algorithms that are well researched and used. Maybe i ask too much too :)
16:13 🔗 yipdw those'd be cool, I know basically nothing about those
16:14 🔗 yipdw except trying to read a few papers on the McEliece system
16:14 🔗 BartoCH i know research will soon get their hands on it too
16:15 🔗 yipdw but yeah, I do wonder how XMPP would have turned out differently if someone found money in it
16:16 🔗 yipdw would we have better success with different sorts of connections? would it still be decentralized?
16:21 🔗 yipdw heh, that reminds me -- in 2005(?) I did a first cut of a collaborative whiteboarding program that sent SVG over XMPP
16:22 🔗 yipdw it worked (ish) but only on certain servers due to things like differing rate limits and message sizes and stuff
16:22 🔗 yipdw I never finished it but it was an interesting introduction to how tricky this stuff can get even when you factor out the algorithmic bits that aren't related to different environments
16:23 🔗 xmc sounds nifty
16:24 🔗 yipdw it was fucking awesome
16:24 🔗 yipdw when it worked
16:24 🔗 xmc :|
16:24 🔗 xmc xmpp is a nice platform, when it works
16:24 🔗 yipdw but it was a Summer of Code project and my attention was shot when I went back to school
16:25 🔗 xmc D:
16:25 🔗 yipdw it might still be in Inkscape, I dunno
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16:52 🔗 Frogging I'm so glad we're mostly past the days of imageshack and photobucket
16:52 🔗 Frogging terrible, terrible websites.
16:53 🔗 xmc the internet used to be great, and also suck
16:59 🔗 joepie91 [18:05] <yipdw> in a case like that I would have preferred that XMPP define one way to do it and one way to say "this server doesn't implement this extension, install this"
16:59 🔗 joepie91 it does, though
16:59 🔗 schbirid Frogging: dont check out what imgur.com is turning into then
16:59 🔗 joepie91 implement a way to say "this isn't supported"
16:59 🔗 joepie91 but lots of servers and clients handle this incorrectly
16:59 🔗 joepie91 and nobody seems to bother fixing it
16:59 🔗 DoomTay !ao http://e-shuushuu.net/image/849462/
16:59 🔗 joepie91 [18:06] <yipdw> it's also a bit of what Moxie Marlinspike was talking about w/r/t why Signal is centralized
16:59 🔗 Frogging schbirid: yeah they are starting to go downhill
16:59 🔗 joepie91 problem is that Moxie mistakes "this is what happens with XMPP" for "this is what happens with federated protocols"
16:59 🔗 schbirid i installed whatsapp the other week
16:59 🔗 joepie91 and those are two wildly different things
17:00 🔗 schbirid after waiting years for signal to gain any traction
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17:00 🔗 schbirid they were too late, too little with non android
17:00 🔗 joepie91 [18:07] <yipdw> mind you, I haven't *tried* to do a video call since then. it's totally possible it's gotten better but the initial experience wasn't that good, and these days people want to video call on Skype or FaceTime or Webex or GoToMeeting
17:00 🔗 joepie91 it hasn't :P
17:00 🔗 joepie91 it's still almost always broken, and I think that specifically XMPP as a protocol is a dead end
17:01 🔗 joepie91 from a long-term perspective
17:01 🔗 schbirid just use webrtc for video call
17:01 🔗 joepie91 its XML nature drives away almost everybody and makes it hard enough to implement that people don't consider it worth the effort
17:01 🔗 schbirid https://meet.jit.si/ \o(
17:01 🔗 joepie91 and so they just roll their own instead
17:01 🔗 Frogging joepie91: disclaimer: I don't know what I'm talking about. But I don't think XML has anything to do with it
17:01 🔗 joepie91 Frogging: trust me, it has
17:01 🔗 Frogging It's not hard to implement
17:01 🔗 joepie91 I've spoken to many, *many* developers over the years
17:01 🔗 joepie91 relatively speaking, it absolutely is
17:02 🔗 Frogging really? you just pull in a library
17:02 🔗 xmc xml has a reputation for being unpleasant, and so drives people away even if they don't have to touch it directly
17:02 🔗 joepie91 it's one of *the* most complex wire serialization protocols to deal with
17:02 🔗 joepie91 the library isn;'t the problem
17:02 🔗 joepie91 the fact that it doesn't map neatly to native structures in *any* language, is
17:02 🔗 xmc heyyy why not asn.1
17:02 🔗 joepie91 that's its point of failure
17:02 🔗 Frogging that makes sense actually
17:02 🔗 joepie91 there's a native equivalent representation of JSON in almost every language
17:02 🔗 joepie91 same for all the derivatives
17:02 🔗 schbirid soooo, is there a single wget/wpull line that will get me just the zip files with a directory structure of their url? http://www.zillow.com/howto/api/neighborhood-boundaries.htm
17:02 🔗 joepie91 hell, even structs can be mapped directly to language types
17:03 🔗 Frogging especially compared to JSON which explicitly implements every common data structure
17:03 🔗 joepie91 but XML fails this completely - you need to constantly work with queries or getters of some variety to get any useful data out of it
17:03 🔗 joepie91 and that makes it very hard to really comprehend the structure you're working with
17:03 🔗 joepie91 you have to do too much mental translation
17:03 🔗 Frogging it's tree-based, which doesn't help
17:03 🔗 schbirid i am sure you could create xml that does what json does
17:04 🔗 schbirid super redundantly
17:04 🔗 joepie91 I think the problem with XML as a format is that it tries to cover 100% of cases, is over-engineered for 99% of them, yet tries to market itself for 100%
17:04 🔗 joepie91 when in reality its effective marketshare is just that 1% that stuff like JSON doesn't cover
17:04 🔗 joepie91 (effectively)
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17:16 🔗 DoomTay I can't help but think the datatype for https://archive.org/details/portalgraphics-20160618224205 should be "web"
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17:18 🔗 DoomTay Hey look, https://archive.org/details/tucows_34792_THOMAS_Legislative_Database
18:53 🔗 alfie are we aware of this? https://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/2016/07/28/the-end-of-gmane/ (Gmane, mailing list archive is shutting down)
18:54 🔗 alfie also, is that worth of #archiveteam? :P
18:54 🔗 alfie oh schbirid beat me to it
18:54 🔗 alfie fuck y'all
18:54 🔗 alfie :P
18:54 🔗 BartoCH joepie91: agreed with you. And when it comes to upper layers of xml such as RDF or OWL you can really start to cry.
18:59 🔗 joepie91 alfie: and I beat schbirid to it :P
18:59 🔗 * alfie slaps joepie91 with an overused joke
19:00 🔗 * schbirid beats joepie91 with meat
19:01 🔗 joepie91 um... :P
19:01 🔗 alfie joepie91: did you find the blogpost through an /r/programming link, by any chance?
19:02 🔗 alfie joepie91: if so, the guy who posted that reached out to me on freenode and i said i'd make AT aware >.<
19:05 🔗 SmileyG o_O
19:09 🔗 alfie the internet is fuckin' tiny
19:11 🔗 Igloo I don't know (or think) we'll do a grab of it... Last thing we want to do essentially DDOS him :)
19:12 🔗 alfie Igloo: I'm sure he'd be receptive to someone from "The Internet Archive" (don't shoot me) reaching out to him and asking for a copy
19:12 🔗 BartoCH seems like he's open to get contacted for a backup even prolly a takeover.
19:12 🔗 xmc yes
19:12 🔗 alfie i'd like to see it live on
19:12 🔗 Igloo alfie: we are not the internet archive.
19:12 🔗 Igloo :P
19:12 🔗 Igloo But possibly
19:12 🔗 alfie Igloo: i know, hence the quotes :P
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19:14 🔗 Igloo I could potentially take a mirror but doubt I could take the whole weight without some serious investment
19:15 🔗 joepie91 [21:01] <alfie> joepie91: did you find the blogpost through an /r/programming link, by any chance?
19:15 🔗 joepie91 nop
19:15 🔗 joepie91 picked it up somewhere else
19:15 🔗 alfie joepie91: oshet
19:15 🔗 joepie91 forgot where
19:15 🔗 alfie hackernews? :P
19:15 🔗 DoomTay What about wumpus?
19:15 🔗 DoomTay Isn't he an IA employee?
19:15 🔗 joepie91 oh hold on
19:15 🔗 joepie91 actually MrRadar posted it first
19:16 🔗 joepie91 the internet is pretty high-speed :P
19:16 🔗 alfie joepie91: not mine >.> i'm getting single-digit kilobytes per second sometimes
19:16 🔗 alfie i want my internet back
19:17 🔗 Igloo I want my gigabit fibre back :(
19:17 🔗 alfie Igloo: can i share
19:17 🔗 Igloo Sure
19:18 🔗 * alfie runs a cat6 to Igloo
19:18 🔗 Igloo You can pay the rent on the london apartment, I'll get the internet bill ;)
19:18 🔗 alfie ha, you don't live all that far from me then
19:18 🔗 alfie or didn't, anyway
19:22 🔗 Igloo I live down there part time now
19:23 🔗 Igloo Not full time like I used to :)
19:24 🔗 HCross you are dangerously close
19:24 🔗 HCross to me
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19:46 🔗 * alfie is based in watford
19:51 🔗 * HCross is just over the way in Hatfield :)
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20:08 🔗 SmileyG Anyone in coventry D:
20:08 🔗 SmileyG Gotta ask, maybe one day I'll find someone, real :P
20:17 🔗 * DoomTay is all the way in Florida
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20:28 🔗 SmileyG florida man! we found you!
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21:01 🔗 DoomTay Well it looks like the portalgraphics warrior project is pretty much done. Question is, I'm not sure whether to label it "saved" or "partially saved"
21:01 🔗 DoomTay The warrior couldn't get 500-some-odd artists in time, but my own efforts means even they would still have the "profile" page and gallery
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21:43 🔗 dashcloud godane: Got a kind of crazy idea you could try that's free (as long as you have a USB scanner). Use the scanner in a virtual machine, and and just save the scans to a shared folder between the two machines. If you don't have any Windows VMs around, grab one from modern.ie- Microsoft has a whole set there
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22:18 🔗 arkiver DoomTay: set it to saved
22:18 🔗 DoomTay Gotcha
22:18 🔗 arkiver We only didn't get a very very very small percentage
22:18 🔗 arkiver If it was like 30 or 20 percent, it would be partially saved
22:19 🔗 DoomTay But this case is probably more ~90%
22:19 🔗 arkiver well
22:19 🔗 xmc 90% is complete enough
22:19 🔗 xmc 70% is about the upper limit of partial imo
22:20 🔗 DoomTay Oh, I just did the math. The warrior got a whopping 99.5%
22:20 🔗 DoomTay That's impressive
22:20 🔗 arkiver Of all images (and videos) we got between 99.9956% and 100%
22:21 🔗 Igloo Distributed computing at it's finest
22:21 🔗 BartoCH i was puzzled by the waiting time to get work in my warrior tbh
22:21 🔗 arkiver Of all profiles we got around 97.6%
22:22 🔗 arkiver They couldn't handle a lot :(
22:22 🔗 arkiver Depending on their rate limiting tumblr and/or flickr might be projects where you can go full speed :)
22:23 🔗 BartoCH when will they appear? I'm also waiting for nothing for the current google code backup, better get to urlteam
22:25 🔗 arkiver BartoCH: I can't tell you exactly when
22:25 🔗 arkiver as for the default warrior projects, I'll have a look
22:25 🔗 BartoCH i finally got one work, but hell that's not much
22:26 🔗 BartoCH i have like 5 waiting and one working, just like real life
22:26 🔗 BartoCH :P
22:27 🔗 arkiver sooo
22:27 🔗 arkiver Who else here is from the Netherlands?
22:27 🔗 arkiver I know joepie91 and midas
22:27 🔗 xmc not i, but there's a chance that i might be going to the sha2017 camp next summer
22:27 🔗 Atluxity My company has a branch there
22:27 🔗 Atluxity xmc: is the name out?
22:28 🔗 xmc Atluxity: ?
22:28 🔗 Atluxity for the camp
22:28 🔗 xmc yes i got the implicit antecedent, but i'm not sure what you're saying
22:29 🔗 Atluxity the camp I want to go to, august next year, keep changing name
22:29 🔗 xmc is it sha2017?
22:29 🔗 xmc https://www.sha2017.org/
22:29 🔗 Atluxity is that going to be somewhat simular to ohm2013?
22:29 🔗 xmc i have no idea
22:30 🔗 Atluxity do you know if it has been held under that name before?
22:30 🔗 xmc it has not
22:30 🔗 Atluxity yes, this looks like that camp
22:30 🔗 xmc ok
22:30 🔗 * Atluxity rejoices
22:30 🔗 xmc it's the one that mc.fly is head of i think
22:31 🔗 Atluxity I dont think I have had the fortune of meeting mc.fly
23:04 🔗 joepie91 Atluxity: yes, SHA2017 is from the same branch as OHM2013
23:04 🔗 joepie91 also fucking hell my social circles are colliding :P
23:04 🔗 joepie91 again
23:04 🔗 xmc ohhhhdear
23:05 🔗 joepie91 also, yes Atluxity, come to SHA2017, and volunteer :p
23:06 🔗 DoomTay Woah.
23:06 🔗 DoomTay arkiver, I'd hate to beat a dead horse, but I'd like a look at the stuff the portalgraphics warrior failed to grab.
23:06 🔗 DoomTay I just looked at 200 artist pages, and they are all up, with the exception of their "friends" page
23:07 🔗 DoomTay Like http://www.portalgraphics.net/pg/illust/individual/?user_id=16774 or http://www.portalgraphics.net/pg/illust/individual/?user_id=2323
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23:09 🔗 DoomTay Well, I take that back. The "profile" page ids dead too, but everything else works
23:12 🔗 Atluxity joepie91: I will, as I did last time
23:13 🔗 Atluxity I was receiving people and checking tickets, I was at the bar in the lounge, and I got my buddy with a pickup to drive around collecting garbage
23:14 🔗 Atluxity It was fun
23:23 🔗 joepie91 :D
23:23 🔗 joepie91 Atluxity: I might see you at the volunteer tent then :P
23:27 🔗 Atluxity Otherwise you should visit the Norwegian Village
23:28 🔗 Atluxity Embassy
23:28 🔗 Atluxity you know
23:32 🔗 joepie91 Atluxity: well, *if* you volunteer, I will almost certainly see you at the volunteer tent, because I'm orga :P
23:32 🔗 joepie91 (team volunteers)
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