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hook54321 scan @ 300 DPI grayscale, black and white might seem more ideal, but it will fragment the edges, grayscale seems to privide the best "edges" for OCR |
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I thought greyscale would be harder to work with, having less contrast and all |
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but you aren't adding any information |
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xmc |
greyscale is better for humans to look at, and ocr engines can deal with it just fine |
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hook54321: if the material is important, 600dpi, but 300 is fine usually |
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To change the topic a bit, anyone mind if I update the screencap on http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive? |
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xmc |
i can't imagine anyone objecting |
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It would be a partial picture since the new look is an "endless" page |
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Hm... I was about to pack it up, but I got pinged as soon as I closed the page, and now I can't tell what it was for |
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Frogging |
was probably this |
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[23:07:15] -- Notice(purplebot): Alive... OR ARE THEY edited by DoomTay (+161, /* Still Alive */) 1 minute ago -- http://www.archiveteam.org/?diff=26187&oldid=26147 |
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you should get yourself an IRC client :) |
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Yeah... |
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archive.fart.website/ seems to loave those out |
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*leave those out |
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the notices? yeah |
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HCross: oh oops, may be resolved now |
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Is there any harm in scanning at higher than 600 dpi? |
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https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/ |
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hook54321: no substantive harm in >600 dpi, but you might pick up patterns in the paper that are distracting to the ocr |
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yipdw |
one of these days I'll start a file-sharing site limited to 64 bytes or less |
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yipdw |
i'll call it femto |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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schbirid |
check out that twitter.com website |
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xmc |
yipdw: i like it |
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yipdw |
hey nobody ever let existing services get in the way of new ones |
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xmc |
yeah you could use twitter as a backing store |
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yipdw |
it's Synergy |
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joepie91 |
twatfs |
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joepie91 |
treating twitter as an append-only log |
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xmc |
perl -e 'print "y" x 64' | base64 -w 0 | wc -c says that it'd take 88 characters, leaving plenty of room for metadata |
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DoomTay |
Haha, nice |
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yipdw |
has anyone really tried to retrieve a full account history? I keep getting stymied on pages further in time |
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yipdw |
I mean for like a thousand tweets it works |
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yipdw |
but go further and it's like "hm" |
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yipdw |
twatfs: lossy append-only log-structured filesystem |
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xmc |
it works if you have a link but, |
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xmc |
they limit it to 1000 tweets from scrolling down |
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yipdw |
yeah, the web interface is a no-go for it |
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yipdw |
the API might but it's like "hmm" |
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xmc |
from a twitter employee - |
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xmc |
n> From the analytics site you can download your full history |
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n> Through the API, I don't think so. |
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yipdw |
nice |
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joepie91 |
[19:55] <yipdw> twatfs: lossy append-only log-structured filesystem |
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joepie91 |
so... we've found the replacement for mongodb, then? |
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yipdw |
yeah a lot of contradictions |
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yipdw |
oh snap |
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yipdw |
i haven't used mongodb in a while so I've tried to stop myself from talking about it |
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joepie91 |
it's an easy target because it's just broken by design and still ends up at the bottom of every benchmark |
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yipdw |
as far as I know these days it's friggin awesome but I'm over here just like "yeah I like postgres still sry" |
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joepie91 |
:p |
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joepie91 |
nah, it's not |
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joepie91 |
like |
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joepie91 |
I argue this topic regularly |
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joepie91 |
with people |
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xmc |
i like postgres & not sry |
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joepie91 |
and for the past few months, they've come up with all kinds of |
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joepie91 |
"yeah it has this now" |
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joepie91 |
yeah, introduced in pg 9.1 |
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joepie91 |
and this! |
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joepie91 |
pg 9.3 |
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joepie91 |
and this! |
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joepie91 |
yeah, pg 9.2 |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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joepie91 |
and it goes on like that for a while until they eventually run out of steam, start making scalability claims again |
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xmc |
sql lets me reason about my data and ask the computer questions. which i like. |
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joepie91 |
and you then point out "nope, still loses data" |
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joepie91 |
the most recent documented incident: https://engineering.meteor.com/mongodb-queries-dont-always-return-all-matching-documents-654b6594a827 |
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joepie91 |
less loss, but still not good |
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xmc |
~ eventual consistency ~ |
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yipdw |
if you have mongodb cluster isn't that kinda what you expect |
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joepie91 |
(that's about 2 months old) |
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yipdw |
oh wait |
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yipdw |
nm |
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joepie91 |
yipdw: no, people think it's a magically scalable database |
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joepie91 |
that does ~magic~ |
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joepie91 |
without tradeoffs |
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joepie91 |
and you can cluster postgresql now as well with some data consistency tradeoffs, so... |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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joepie91 |
well |
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joepie91 |
shard |
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joepie91 |
ref https://www.citusdata.com/blog/2016/03/24/citus-unforks-goes-open-source/ |
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yipdw |
oh that's cool |
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I wonder if our Wiki has a way of seeing how many sites closed suddenly vs, how many had an announcement beforehand |
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hook54321 |
Is twitter actually dying or are people over reacting? |
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Frogging |
? |
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godane |
i'm at 805k items now |
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yipdw |
people overreacting, which causes Twitter to die |
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yipdw |
life and death of social networks is full of fun causality loops |
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yipdw |
that said twitter is a dumpster fire for a lot of groups, so dying might not be so bad |
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Sanqui |
every social media is. |
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Frogging |
i can agree with that^ |
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DoomTay |
So apparently FossHub was hacked and they put up a fake shutdown notice |
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DoomTay |
That's just ridiculously evil. I never thought that would even happen in real life |
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sep332 |
wasn't fosshub the one hacked to distribute MBR-erasing malware? |
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DoomTay |
Yup |
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sep332 |
which also feels kinda obsolete and pointlessly evil |
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I think I only dealt with a f*cked up MBR once and I don't even know how it happened |
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joepie91 |
hook54321: what's today's cause of deathj? |
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joepie91 |
death* |
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ranma |
do you guys download single videos? |
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ranma |
probably will be DMCA'd |
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ranma |
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyxgToqzKR0 |
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ranma |
<Chii> Annemiek van Vleuten in Horror Crash FULL ALTERNATIVE ANGLE | Women's Cycling Rio 2016 - [3m56s] 2016-08-08 - Vineshub - Vine Compilations - 2,700,503 views |
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DoomTay |
#archivebot can take care of that easily |
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DoomTay |
Why do you think it will be DMCA'd, though? |
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ranma |
the international Olympic committee sounds like they are very controlling of their content |
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yipdw |
someone tell me there's a psychological study on the popularity of fail videos |
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yipdw |
it seems like pathological behavior to me |
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ranma |
I'm only grabbing it because I've lost access to DMCA'd videos |
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yipdw |
oh, there are a few |
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ranma |
I'm REALLY pissed about a video clearly falling under fair use that the UFC took down |
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ranma |
analysing Rhonda Roussey or however you spell her name |
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ranma |
bits of a fight she lost |
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yipdw |
i mention it because there was an interesting serendipity about you posting that and a few days ago when I was talking with a student |
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yipdw |
acrobatics goof-up videos inculcated a kind of fear in the student's mind |
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yipdw |
we had to work through it |
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ranma |
it only used maybe a few seconds of the actual fight, so fair use was very very justifiable |
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yipdw |
this is part of the pathological behavior I describe; the other part of it is the encouragement of a sick spectator culture that rewards injury and does nothing for actual performance |
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yipdw |
s/performance/progress and participation/ |
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DoomTay |
I've been yelled at for not doing things, but when I make up for it the next day or so by spending most of the day getting chores done, I am rewarded with silence |
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godane |
so i found something interesting when doing my pc magazine grab |
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godane |
issue 1989-12-26 is sort of backwards |
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godane |
this is so you can see what i mean: https://books.google.com/books?id=-Xr7Ic-ivyMC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false |
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Oh wow |
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godane |
most of the time its not that bad |
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godane |
a least the pages looks to be good scans |
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godane |
some of the 1982 issues are bit screwed up too |
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godane |
like have 3 issues per a id |
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http://www.redditstatus.com/ |
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Kaz |
'slight issue', lists reddit.com as operational |
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Kaz |
error rate nearly 100%, request rate dropped to 0 |
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Kaz |
status reporting (Y) |
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Frogging |
yep, reddit's down |
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hook54321 |
joepie91: #savetwitter was trending last night |
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Frogging |
that doesn't explain why people thought it needed saving |
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xmc |
twitter had some issues around counting yesterday |
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DoomTay |
Like, site malfunctioning? |
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DoomTay |
Like what reddit's going through right now? |
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Frogging |
DoomTay: check what Kaz posted |
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DoomTay |
No, I meant by twitter having issues, do you mean that the site malfunctioned like reddit is malfunctioning right now? |
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Frogging |
oh |
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Frogging |
dunno |
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hook54321 |
Ugh! My school password automatically reset, now I can't archive something unless I somehow get to a school computer and set the password. |
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DoomTay |
Your school doesn't allow for resetting the password from home? That's dumb |
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hook54321 |
There is a way to change the password from home, but it appears that it doesn't work after the auto reset near the end of the summer. |
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hook54321 |
Ya know how their is a way to log into Windows through a network, right? |
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hook54321 |
If I parked in a school parking lot, brought a laptop and connected to the WiFi, could I reset my password somehow? |
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swebb sets mode: +o SketchCo1 |
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xmc |
hook54321: probably not |
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hook54321 |
Then I guess my only options now are to ask a teacher to reset it or to sneak into a computer lab real quick. |
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xmc |
yep |
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hook54321 |
How risky is the second option? :/ |
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Frogging |
i think that is for you to determine :p |
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SketchCo1 |
Bring a gun; then if they catch you they won't ask about the password |
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xmc |
that's the most american thing i've heard today |
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SketchCo1 |
At least I know I'm firee |
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hook54321 |
I'm pretty sure I would get expelled if I brought a gun... Why wouldn't I want them to know about the password? |
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hook54321 |
🐷 |
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SketchCo1 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q65KZIqay4E |
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hook54321 |
The elementary school near me has a computer just in the middle of the library, it isn't even locked or anything. |
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SketchCow |
19:29 < hook54321> I'm pretty sure I would get expelled if I brought a gun... |
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SketchCow |
And they would never ask about the password |
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SketchCow |
You gotta look at the big picture |
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Frogging |
he speaks truth^ |
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hook54321 |
Why would they care about the password? |
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hook54321 |
:P |
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SketchCow |
Sobriquet Kael |
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SketchCow |
Aug 3 (8 days ago) |
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SketchCow |
to archiveteam |
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SketchCow |
I honestly don't know how to word an email so as not to sound like a douche. |
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SketchCow |
---- |
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SketchCow |
(This was the highlight of the inbox.) |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/densho?and[]=mediatype%3A"movies"&sort=titleSorter |
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SketchCow |
Internet Archive has 3,000 of these uploading, more to go |
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Ravenloft |
what would be the turning point from a text based internet to a image based one |
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Ravenloft |
or a time window in which the change occured |
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SketchCow |
2006 |
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xmc |
invetion of the gif |
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SketchCow |
Wait, definition of those |
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SketchCow |
But yes, 1993 |
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SketchCow |
1994 |
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Ravenloft |
I was thinking about it the other day, I started using the internet in 1999, so I am just a newcomer compared to some of you, but, on other hand, since it started to get really popular here only a few years late, I was a early adopter in my context |
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Ravenloft |
also I was 14 in 1999, so there is that |
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Ravenloft |
anyway |
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Ravenloft |
I start with IRC mostly |
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Ravenloft |
*started |
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Ravenloft |
and did a lot of web surfing with a pentium 133 via 56kbps dial up |
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xmc |
\m/ |
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Ravenloft |
and now even simple pages are slow to load on relatively modern machines |
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Ravenloft |
with all the added crap |
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SketchCow |
Boy, a spend a lot of time logging into FOS and going "THIS IS A LOT OF STUFF" |