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divingk |
"DNS History has now shutdown, any updates are for my personal requirements only - the site may go up/down as I need the resources it uses. The number of servers dedicated to the DNS History project is now ZERO. Due to the ArchiveTeams self-righteous attitude CloudFlares DDoS protection has been enabled. They are quite open about their attitude of ignoring robots.txt files and work... |
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divingk |
...around blocks on their user agent - this as abuse." |
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divingk |
If he had said something discouraging this, |
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divingk |
the drama might have been avoided. |
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FalconK |
we've had that issue with that site before |
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FalconK |
lots of sites whine and whine about us |
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FalconK |
because their operators are assholes |
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FalconK |
you'll notice that it isn't infrequent for our servers to be added to blacklists |
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FalconK |
also, a careless grab can be a DoS for smaller sites with low capacity |
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rocode |
I just don't understand the thought process. "Okay, I am unassigning resources to this service and deleting all data. Fuck anyone trying to save it." |
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divingk |
Ah. |
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divingk |
whirlgirl.com got a big change, |
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divingk |
and now all the old content is gone. |
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divingk |
No warnings, nothing. |
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FalconK |
it happens! |
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divingk |
It's been replaced with a Tumblr site. |
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FalconK |
if there's something you care about, !a it proactively |
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divingk |
rocode: See also how they managed to erase most of Digital's internet presence. |
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FalconK |
since website operators can just blow thing away with no notice whatever |
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rocode |
I ran a popular (1m unique users per day) blog for a while. Long before I even heard Jason speak I couldn't even think of moving to a new platform without setting up a archive subdomain + redirect. Like, it is so easy to not be an asshole. It costs so little. |
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rocode |
Literally export to static and throw it on your CDN. |
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rocode |
pennies a day. |
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FalconK |
well, you are not an asshole |
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xmc |
^ |
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FalconK |
don't ask me to explain why assholes do as they do - I'm not an asshole either :P |
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xmc |
that is a high bar to clear |
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FalconK |
somtimes site owners are just like... jfc I can't pay the $20 a month for this hosting anymore because I am poor, so I will stop |
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FalconK |
but sometimes they just decide to delete mountains of writing and data |
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FalconK |
for no earthly reason |
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FalconK |
I suppose these people simply do not understand why this is nasty |
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FalconK |
or imagine that the data is ephemeral and completely worthless to archive |
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rocode |
Web Fiction is well known for this, which is why I focus so hard on it. On one hand, like 70% of it is on wordpress.com who (despite having a shitty export function) are amazing and don't mind you hitting their servers hard for grabs, but the others are sometimes hosted on what I swear is a forgotten computer in the back of a university closet somewhere. |
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FalconK |
yeah |
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Somebody2 |
rocode: thanks for doing that. I have a backlog of tumblr blogs I want to put in #archivebot; I just haven't done so because I don't want to fill it up with non-urgent stuff. |
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rocode |
Speaking of, can someone verify I did this correctly? https://archive.org/details/www.fictiongrill.com-2017-01-05 This site hosts 2 of the top 10 web fiction for 2016, and latest post indicates a possible shutdown is imminent. |
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FalconK |
you may want to move it into the appropriate web collection |
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FalconK |
other than that it looks right |
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rocode |
Hrm, doesn't appear to let me edit that. Do I need to delete and reupload? |
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FalconK |
you should email your favourite IA admin (jscott@archive.org for instance) |
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FalconK |
I can't edit other people's items |
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FalconK |
hey arkiver did you know that your KCTV dumps are in collection web by reason of being in archiveteam_videobot? |
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Frogging |
Somebody2: maybe you could run wpull yourself and send the WARCs to the FTP? is that a thing that is possible here? |
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Frogging |
I've wanted to do that for something. Haven't taken much time to look at what the obstacles are though. |
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Frogging |
Wpull on its own can't manipulate ignores mid-grab, AFAICT |
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rocode |
grab-site does |
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FalconK |
aaaaargh wpull2 ignores --warc-max-size in nearly all cases and it's unclear why |
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Frogging: I could, but it wouldn't get in Wayback. |
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Frogging |
you'd have to ask SketchCow |
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hook54321 |
divingk: When did the old content disappear? |
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hook54321 |
Asparagir: Would it violate any privacy laws for staff in a school district to talk about students in text messages to other staff? (for stuff actually related to school) |
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FalconK |
in most contexts disclosure of information to common carriers is not considered :P |
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FalconK |
unless the requirement is "use encryption", we generally only worry about that for confidential and up |
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divingk |
hook54321: For which site? |
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divingk |
If you're talking about WhirlGirl, that disappeared around Aug.-Oct. 2016. |
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Frogging |
hook54321: apologies if I'm missing some context, but AFAIK it's not illegal to talk about people |
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Frogging |
I'm not sure where privacy would come into it |
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hook54321 |
divingk: Have you checked if any of the old content is available through Google Cache, Bing Cache, Yandex Cache, etc.? |
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hook54321 |
Frogging, Asparagir : FERPA |
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Frogging |
oh, I see |
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Frogging |
now FalconK's comment makes sense |
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Frogging |
:p |
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hook54321 |
FERPA = Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act |
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hook54321 |
Education records include a range of information about a student that is maintained in schools in any recorded way, such as handwriting, print, computer media, video or audio tape, film, microfilm, and microfiche. Examples are: |
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hook54321 |
Date and place of birth, parent(s) and/or guardian addresses, and where parents can be contacted in emergencies; |
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hook54321 |
Grades, test scores, courses taken, academic specializations and activities, and official letters regarding a student's status in school; |
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hook54321 |
Special education records; |
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hook54321 |
Disciplinary records; |
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hook54321 |
Medical and health records that the school creates or collects and maintains; |
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hook54321 |
Documentation of attendance, schools attended, courses taken, awards conferred, and degrees earned; |
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hook54321 |
Personal information such as a student's identification code, social security number,picture, or other information that would make it easy to identify or locate a student. |
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hook54321 |
Personal notes made by teachers and other school officials that are not shared with others are not considered education records. Additionally, law enforcement records created and maintained by a school or district's law enforcement unit are not education records. |
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divingk |
hook54321: None of them saved it. |
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Frogging |
yes, I saw |
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hook54321 |
divingk: Yandex keeps cached pages for a longer page, but it doesn't cache as many pages and it's more difficult to find, you can't just search for a url. Bing is a little better, but I've had to try a few queries to get a cached page link a few times. |
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hook54321 |
*longer time |
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Asparagir |
hook54321: I don't know details, but MuckRock may have examples for you to look at. |
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divingk |
Just tried all of those. |
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divingk |
No dice. |
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hook54321 |
Sometimes on Bing and very very often (almost most of the time) on yandex you'll have to try different queries of text on the page |
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hook54321 |
Yandex is generally weird |
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hook54321 |
did you check what pages archive.is has for the site? |
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divingk |
It does, but its archives are based on archive.org's, |
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divingk |
which doesn't have any of the episodes. |
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hook54321 |
divingk: Episodes? of what? |
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divingk |
Whoops. |
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divingk |
Anyhow... |
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divingk |
The official Whirlgirl site had two seasons worth of Flash episodes. |
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divingk |
The show itself otherwise fell into obscurity hard |
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divingk |
and no one I know of has copies of it. |
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hook54321 |
Flash like the superhero? |
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divingk |
hook54123: Nope. |
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divingk |
As in Macromedia Flash, |
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divingk |
now known as Adobe Flash. |
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divingk |
Although yes, the show itself was superhero show. |
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hook54321 |
Does the wayback machine have flash support? |
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FalconK |
if it's a player written in flash that gets the video itself (e.g. to stream it) I doubt archivebot would get it |
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yipdw |
if the video URL somewhere in the page, you might get lucky |
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yipdw |
if it's assembled by ActionScript, that's a negative |
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hook54321 |
I was under the impression that it's a show animated in flash, not a video loader by flash |
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hook54321 |
*in flash |
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yipdw |
if that's the case, the pages don't do a lot of Javascript stuff to generate the Flash embed, and the SWF is self-contained, you'll be fine |
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rocode |
Unfortunately, it is quite possible it used a frontend loader (pun not intended) to load the backend flash. |
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hook54321 |
The wayback machine won't actually run flash content though, correct? |
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yipdw |
wayback will serve it fine |
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rocode |
If it was an actual swf file, it will be served |
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rocode |
and run by the client browser |
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yipdw |
whether your browser will display it is a different problem |
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rocode |
^ |
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hook54321 |
ah |
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yipdw |
these days, good luck |
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yipdw |
flash was struck down |
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yipdw |
you could call it |
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yipdw |
by a flash mob |
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FalconK |
:) |
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yipdw |
come to think of it it was like |
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yipdw |
a flash in the pan |
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rocode |
Thankfully, free libraries like GNASH have a HUGE amount of backwards comparability stuff built in for a lot of the old flash hacks and workarounds. |
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FalconK |
composed of information security people |
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FalconK |
I'm quite glad to see flash pass into dust |
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yipdw |
i'm not quite as glad to see homestar runner pass into dust |
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hook54321 |
If the website has been around for awhile, chances are the content hasn't always been on the same pages |
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hook54321 |
Someone should make an HTML5 homestar runner |
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yipdw |
that's quite a lot of work there |
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rocode |
There is several FLASH2HTML5 translators in WIP. |
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yipdw |
I know |
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yipdw |
that's quite a lot of work there |
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yipdw |
unless the Brothers Chaps surprise everyone and Adobe Animate CC has awesome fidelity |
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hook54321 |
divingk: https://web.archive.org/web/19981205185736/http://www.whirlgirl.com/ |
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hook54321 |
"GET NEW EPISODES, GAMES AND MORE AT ONE OF THESE WHIRLING 'MIRROR' SITES..." |
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divingk |
...And it's borked. |
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hook54321 |
? |
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hook54321 |
what do you mean? |
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divingk |
None of the images are archived |
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divingk |
nor are the mirror sites. |
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divingk |
It's also not the version I saw earlier last year. |
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divingk |
https://web.archive.org/web/20070819210651/http://www.whirlgirl.com/home.html |
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divingk |
Not that it's a particularly good series. |
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hook54321 |
eh |
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hook54321 |
Did you check with bibanon? seems like something they might have grabbed |
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divingk |
Kind of important though, in a historical sense. |
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divingk |
hook54321: Never heard of them before. |
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divingk |
Or rather, the site. |
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godane |
so i'm grabbing medium.com sitemap dumps again |
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godane |
i'm just grabbing the raw html cause when i grab with images it takes forever |
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godane |
it also looks like the older dumps may have only grab .jpeg files |
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godane |
anyways 2015-11-15 to 2015-11-17 sitemap dumps are going to be very big cause of the images |
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SketchCow: so why is the tape documentary cancelled? |
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antonizoo |
I remember someone posted a $60 6TB WD Mybook drive deal here, but unfortunately I was traveling and it expired. Well, here is the same drive for $100 |
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http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/248557/WD-My-Book-6TB-External-Hard/?cm_mmc=Affiliates-_-CJ-_-358129-_-11263938 |
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Also a 4TB for $60 in related links. If you don't like the NAS case you can crack it open for the hard drive |
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antonizoo: do you know if they make shipments outside United States? |
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Unfortunately it doesn't look like it. Also it looks like the 6tb is now sold out |
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But you can buy two $70 4tb ones, crack them open and make a raid1 |
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That's what I will do |
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usual warning: some WD drives have the drives soldered directly to the enclosure PCB |
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do your research before buying ;) |
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(also you may get *any* kind of drive inside, including a WD Green) |
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I'm trying to look for a recent teardown of this sort of drive to see |
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antonizoo: that will probably tell you whether it's shuckable, but not what drive you get |
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antonizoo: it seems that vendors tend to just put in there whatever is cheapest / in lowest demand at the time |
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so you may buy two 'identical' external HDDs from two different batches, and get two entirely different drives |
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(internally) |
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Well different batches are good for raid in principle at least since the same batch could fail at the same time |
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antonizoo: you're thinking of HDD batches, I'm talking about enclosure batches :) |
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antonizoo: if you buy two MyBooks, they may either have 1) the exact same model *and* batch of HDD inside, 2) the same model but a different batch of HDD inside, 3) a different model of HDD inside, 4) an entirely different brand of HDD inside |
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In any case I trust hgst and Toshiba the most |
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you basically just cannot rely on what kind of HDD you're going to get from a shucked external |
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But would you trust used hgst drives over this |
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antonizoo: this is an impossible question because neither of us can know what kind of HDD will be in the MyBook you buy |
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"MyBook" only tells you what enclosure they put it into, and what kind of guarantees they provide |
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(which, for the MyBook range, generally translates to "none", that's why it's cheap) |
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you buy an external HDD, then the drive inside will be mystery meat |
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if that's okay with you, then sure, go ahead and buy it |
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but if there are certain kinds of drives you really don't want, then don't |
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As long as it isn't Seagate lol |
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it may very well be :) |
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not _likely_ but possible |
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In a wd drive? |
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yes |
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antonizoo: consider that there might be moments where it's cheaper for them to buy overstock Seagate drives, than to put in their own |
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at that point, you will probably find a Seagate in there |
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lol |
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antonizoo: it's similar to how USB thumbdrives are usually produced from flash memory that doesn't _quite_ meet the quality standards for high-end flash-based things |
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they're cheap consumer applications where the quality different doesn't really matter |
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difference* |
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as long as it's Good Enough |
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which, from the perspective of the vendor, mostly just means "we're not going to make a loss on these, taking into account RMAs" |
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Alright, I'll take this into account |
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In the end even used hgst/Hitachi drives have never failed me |
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antonizoo: btw, general word of advice: think about how good of a deal something is to you... and then consider that it's usually a better deal to the company selling it to you ;) |
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yup |
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godane |
going back to 2009 |
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Woo hoo |
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hey |
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rocode |
wtf. This is the dumbest transition plan ever. TIME INC shut down thesnug.com and forwarded it to a similar website without actually importing their old items. |
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yipdw |
I recall Yahoo! doing something like that |
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rocode |
Speaking of Yahoo! like behavior: allromanceebooks.com, a retailer and romance community site, shut down with 4 days notice and is not paying out to authors. |
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rocode |
Announced on the 28th, taken down on the 31th. We need a leaderboard or a hall of shame. Holy shit. |
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SketchCow |
We have that |
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godane |
i'm uploading 4 Windows The Offical Magazine isos and pdfs |
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with scans of disk cover back and front |
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zino |
\o/ |
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Bitcasa went bankrupt |
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(rumours of Intel acquiring them were false) |
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ref http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/06/bitcasa_crashes_out/ |
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for the full, typical-El-Reg-cynical story |
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rocode |
Damn, that is a shit story for the customers who didn't get a refund. |
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they're not lying, they did become part of something bigger |
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I'm uploading hundreds of Yugoslavian computer magazines, so that's life |
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turning into dust in the wind does in fact integrate you with the atmosphere |
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SketchCow: we had some luck with www.newshost.co.za |
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i saved 2009 and 2010 nbz and nfo files here: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22www.newshost.co.za%22 |
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Is there a group policy in windows that could cause issues with insecure websocket connections? |
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hook54321, HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_WEBSOCKET!iexplore.exe |
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rocode |
There is a ICA WebSockets Connection policy associated. |
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rocode |
That would of course be IE only. Firefox/Chrome handle it through their respective config policies. |
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Asparagir, I can't give over this robots.txt, it truly is a masterpiece for a website licensed under Creative Commons: f1000research.com/robots.txt |
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rocode: That setting doesn't only affect internet explorer, right? |
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hook54321, it should, unless the endpoint is using a policy converter to apply it to other browser policies. |
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(or citrix converter etc) |
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