[00:06] *** Simpbrain has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [00:09] SketchCow: i'm upload my vhs capture your FOS [00:09] under the Godane VHS Captures folder [00:10] i have tons of tapes and over 100gb so far of vhs captures i have done myself [00:11] captures of? [00:11] i have some tapes of original broadcasts [00:11] with commercials [00:12] i'm also giving them to the myspleen site [00:13] i have some rare stuff like USA Saturday Nightmares airing of An American Werewolf in London [00:13] from 1988-10 [00:13] also found The Movie Loft airing of Silver Bullet [00:17] *** Simpbrain has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:29] *** godane has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [00:30] *** Darkstar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 633 seconds) [00:34] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:35] *** j08nY has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [00:59] *** SmugMan has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [01:03] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Quit: left4dead) [01:03] haha wow [01:04] I was contemplating adding dafont to font repos in navbar last night since I added two other sites but I decided to hold off for now [01:04] and then just today they reveal they've been pwned http://www.zdnet.com/article/font-sharing-site-dafont-hacked-thousands-of-accounts-stolen/ [01:05] .... MD5 ... [01:05] and apparently it was open for quite some time too [01:11] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [01:18] *** username1 has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:18] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:20] *** schbirid2 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:27] *** Stilett0 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [01:45] *** bwn has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) [01:45] *** REiN^ has quit IRC (Max SendQ exceeded) [01:45] *** REiN^ has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:52] *** bwn has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:59] *** SmileyG has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:59] *** sep332 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:01] *** alfiepate has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:02] *** sep332_ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:02] *** alfie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** Sanqui has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** alembic has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:02] *** deathy_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:02] *** alembic has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:02] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** deathy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** deathy_ is now known as deathy [02:02] *** SketchCow has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:02] *** Smiley has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [02:02] *** davidar has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** ThisAsYou has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** Ctrl-S___ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:02] *** Sanqui has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:02] *** REiN^ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [02:03] *** ThisAsYou has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:03] *** Ctrl-S___ has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:03] *** davidar has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:05] *** REiN^ has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:05] *** SketchCow has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:05] *** swebb sets mode: +o SketchCow [02:09] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:46] *** brayden has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [02:46] *** brayden has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:46] *** swebb sets mode: +o brayden [03:03] *** Odd0002 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:37] *** HP has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:41] *** HP has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:48] can someone check in #internetarchive the issue flurblefi was having? i suspect something broke with robots.txt handling recently, i've noticed this myself too [03:49] up until like 3 years ago if the current site robots.txt page blocked IA, the entire site and its whole history would be blocked [03:49] 3 years ago or so this was changed that it would only be blocked if the site at the time had IA blocked, and a lot of stuff which was blocked became available [03:50] this seems to have regressed to the old behavior, site entire history is blocked if robots.txt blocks site today [03:50] and people are once again using this maliciously [03:54] hmm... does IA have a warrant canary for NSLs? i'm wondering if the change in behavior is deliberate due to a court order or something [04:01] *** Odd0002 has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:01] That seems ... implausible. The chances of an NSL requiring such a broad policy change doesn't match my understanding of what they can ask for. [04:02] It seems more likely that it's due to the previously announced plans to adjust how they handle robots.txt. I mean, the announced plans were to *expand* rather than restrict what they distributed, but... [04:02] they also got quite a bit of pushback, so I wouldn't be shocked if they didn't decide, at least for now, to move more the other way. [04:06] its still very worrisome [04:06] since flurblefi pointed out a site which bought a competitor and intentionally blocked archived material [04:06] which was free [04:07] to force people to use their paid service [04:07] also NSL is farfetched, it could be a sealed or unsealed court order too [04:11] and i've been relying on the 'archived version of robots.txt' thing to access a few sites which are parked and blocked [04:12] and are now inaccessible [04:12] although, the site i needed doesn't have any irreplacable stuff on it, but i'm likely going to eventually run into something that does [04:13] I agree about it being frustrating. I urge you to make *local* copies of stuff that you find (as is a good idea in any case). [04:13] If it was an unsealed court order, I am *certain* IA would have trumpted it widely. [04:14] true [04:14] And it still seems implausible for a sealed court order to demand a broad (and visible) policy change but deny the target permission to say why. [04:14] but in this case, maybe actions speak louder than words... [04:16] Now, I could certainly see an *informal* threat causing IA to change their robots.txt policy in this way, and not say anything more about it. [04:16] hmm. i noticed this policy change seems to have taken effect with the updated UI as well... so for all i know this might just be a bug [04:16] But not a formal court order. [04:16] Have you tried the old UI? [04:16] i don't know how to force the old ui [04:16] A bug certainly seems most likely. [04:19] Lord_Nigh: I presume you've emailed info@ already. [04:19] actually i have not [04:19] do that! [04:19] i just found out about this half an hour ago [04:19] ah, ok [04:20] but it's always a good idea to email info@ (and wait a couple of days to see what if any response shows up) [04:22] also, https://archive.org/wayback/web_beta_feedback.php [04:31] ok, what i thought was another bug was actually ia fixing a semi-related bug [04:31] so scratch that off [04:32] though the use of the wrong robots.txt is still a bug [04:33] Oh? [04:52] https://archive.org/post/1019415/retroactive-robotstxt-removal-of-past-crawls-aka-oakland-archive-policy [04:52] there was another bug with forcing ia to return css for a page or image for a page sometimes but not always bypassing the robots.txt restriction; this has been fixed. [04:54] it sounds like sometime in 2015 IA switched from the "modified oakland standard" where if user agent was "ia_archiver" in robots.txt it would be retroactively blocked [04:54] hm, interesting [04:54] to the structure up to 3 months ago where it respected the archived version of robots.txt [04:55] now it has gone to the TRUE oakland standard where it respects robots.txt fully and retroactively, which was previously deemed too strict [04:55] i.e. it doesn't matter if agent is "ia_archiver" or "" [04:55] it treats it retroactively always [04:56] i suspect the "true oakland standard" thing is a bug [04:56] but the bugfix for occasionally bypassing robots.txt i can understand that [04:56] makes sense [04:56] please do email info@ [04:57] ok [05:06] sent mail to info [05:09] *** nicolas17 has quit IRC (Quit: Konversation terminated!) [05:11] *** fie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [05:31] Lord_Nigh: great -- I also reached out to a few people. [05:32] its also possible i'm completely wrong about the retroactive blocking removal, and if a page was once blocked, it will always be blocked in the archive, but if a page is currently blocked, then all versions of the page are blocked [05:32] which is silly especially with the ia_archiver thing not being required [07:18] *** j08nY has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:12] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:12] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:15] *** j08nY has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [08:17] *** turnkit has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:17] *** turnkit has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [09:18] *** GE has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:34] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [09:35] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:43] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:19] *** GE has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [10:23] *** Darkstar has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:42] *** Specular has quit IRC (Quit: 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https://www.reddit.com/r/vintagecomputing/comments/6c1qge/nice_estate_sale_find_every_issue/ [17:55] i know you most like have a full set [17:55] we need to get the missing issues from 1987 to 1998 scanned [18:00] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:02] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [18:04] Does anyone know where I can find copies of instructions for these lego sets http://www.brickmania.com/ [18:09] *** ndiddy has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:10] *** Stilett0 has quit IRC () [18:18] *** j08nY has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:23] *** Akiva has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:27] *** Stilett0 has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:27] *** Akiva has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [18:31] *** Akiva has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:31] *** Stilett0 is now known as Stiletto [18:36] *** Akiva has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:40] *** Akiva has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:48] *** Akiva has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:54] *** 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