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godane |
looks like IA is down |
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joepie91 |
oh god |
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http://www.html5zombo.com/ |
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jrwr |
opps |
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jrwr |
Question, I have a Knowledge Base from a Point of Sale Product that is still in heavy use today |
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jrwr |
but the company that owns it has completely wiped the damn thing and no longer provides ANY copies of it |
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jrwr |
I have a copy in Text Files currently, What do |
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jrwr |
(As Text files) |
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Yurume |
I have a good news for Daum Tvpot http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Daum_Tvpot --- the company has decided to follow the proper archiving process in lieu of public feedbacks |
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Yurume |
personally I was busy enough and unable to track that, but I'm quite glad that the company does have a good sense of being correct |
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Yurume |
(I did make developers aware of the public concerns, at the least) |
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joepie91 |
jrwr: upload whatever you have to an item as files, I guess, and make sure it's well-tagged |
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jrwr |
Since its copy righted all to hell |
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jrwr |
I sent a copy to Mr Scott for safe keeping |
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SketchCow |
We're all gonna die |
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ranma |
RIP archive.org |
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ranma |
wat |
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ranma |
i can't get to it |
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ranma |
RIP Net Neutrality |
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ranma |
down for everyone or just me says it's up |
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jrwr |
SketchCow: Now now, Its not THAT bad of a KB |
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ranma |
do you have an arcade machine, SketchCow? |
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Odd0002 |
archive.org is up for me (Chicagoland US) |
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godane |
whats odd is it doesn't work ip address |
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godane |
so there blocking or connecting is failing for some reason |
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Odd0002 |
207.241.224.2 is what I get, godane |
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Odd0002 |
but it instantly redirects me to archive.org |
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godane |
that was the ip i was using |
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Odd0002 |
ah ok, guess it just redirects to "archive.org" instead of serving up the site contents or something |
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hook54321 |
Wikipedia is permanently deleting some "covfefe" pages on some wikis, including the history, so people can't go back and view the content that was on the pages. |
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hook54321 |
Example: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covfefe |
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hook54321 |
Google Cache of page: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fsimple.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCovfefe |
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ranma |
http://deletionpedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&hidebots=0 |
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kittymeow |
consensus is code for deletionist |
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kittymeow |
Just do what the corporations do and make 10 different alternate personalities, never edit at the same hours (graph mapping for edit times is a thing), use IP addresses in different places, edit on a wide variety of topics and rarely come together unless it can be seen as a valid coincidence, boom, you have your "consensus" which due to the way "votes" are advertised is rarely more than |
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kittymeow |
10 or so ... |
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kittymeow |
... people deciding something that affects milions of people - the corporations just tend to pay people to get stuff they want deleted or history manipulated, there's a cottage industry of "freeelancing" corrupt people on wikipedia, even admins |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Looks like Comcast may be interfering with Internet Archive (archive.org) traffic. |
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Sanqui |
<Xkeeper> oh? |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Someone from IA showed up to NANOG-l (an Internet operations professional list) and posted this in their first four paragraphs: |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> "at the internet archive we have a strange problem at the moment. |
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<+Kradorex> a slightly upstream device looks like it's returning icmp administratively unreachable for our main load balancer's ip address (which serves archive.org). |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> comcast has interpreted this to remove or (maybe blackhole) connections to archive.org somewhere pretty close to the edge. |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> but it is routing and completing connections perfectly to other ip addresses on the same /24." |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Which reportedly blog.archive.org which resolves to an IP in the same IP block that archive.org resolves is fine. |
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<+Kradorex> But archive.org proper is inaccessible. |
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<+Kradorex> IA's twitter is using the "some paths appear to be blocked" language: |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> https://twitter.com/internetarchive/status/870514798064058370 |
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Sanqui |
<+Sanqui> Kradorex: Somebody from Archive Team was reporting having issues with accessing archive.org too |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Probably related. |
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Sanqui |
<+Sanqui> may I share this? |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Please do. |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> Incident begun ~3-4 hours ago. |
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MrRadar |
Huh, I'm seeing the same issue on Centurylink DSL |
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MrRadar |
I can reach blog.archive.org but archive.org itself is inaccessible |
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JAA |
FWIW, it works for me from Central Europe. |
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Sanqui |
<+Kradorex> I'd be interested to see traceroutes |
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Sanqui |
MrRadar, godane, ranma: can you please traceroute archive.org? |
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MrRadar |
Sure. I'll post my traceroute to blog.archive.org as well |
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MrRadar |
Sanqui: https://pastebin.com/JPY77Wfm |
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MrRadar |
Huh, looks like Centurylink is routing through Comcast's network to reach archive.org |
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Sanqui |
<Kradorex> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBS5mAvU0AExyP6.jpg |
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Sanqui |
<Kradorex> Sample traceroute from someone else. |
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kittymeow |
Oh and the other thing I forgot to mention about wikipedia is that a lot of the founders are heavily involved with Wikia which runs commercial wikis which basically have all the stuff that wikipedia deletes off an infinite encyclopedia, so that pushes a lot of the policy to drive it to wikia where they put autoplaying videos and banner ads and tracking pixels all over it |
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Sanqui |
fuck wikia |
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godane |
MrRadar: https://pastebin.com/ajVSSKdU |
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JAA |
Sanqui: ^ |
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Sanqui |
cheers |
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godane |
so i just ripped the original airing Alien Autopsy |
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godane |
i had it on vhs on the back of my Forrest Gump tape |
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godane |
so i got a E! True Hollywood Story about Gary Busey |
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godane |
the episode is not even on TV-Vault |
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jrwr |
Im so glad I have a US Based ISP (Charter) that has high speeds, no caps, and doesn't fuck around |
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alembic |
I have a pet theory that all ISPs are evil, just some more subtley than others... |
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MrRadar |
Yeah, these days it's def. true |
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MrRadar |
I miss the days of dialup when there was real competition in the ISP market :( |
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MrRadar |
(Though I don't miss the speeds of dial up) |
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alembic |
I hear there was a pretty good cow-themed ISP at one point ;) |
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timmc |
I like my information superhighway like I like my coffee mugs? |
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ranma |
downloading PSX ISOs on dialup D: |
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ranma |
lordy |
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MrRadar |
I remember downloading the BeOS "Personal Edition" installer over dialup |
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MrRadar |
It took *hours* |
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ranma |
PSX ISOs took days |
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MrRadar |
Wow, just looked up the size and it was "only" 48 megabytes |
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MrRadar |
Yeah, I can't imagine trying to download full ISOs at that speed |
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Sanqui |
Q: should we ignore pages with individual posts when archiving fora? |
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Sanqui |
those can easily increase the number of pages twenty-fold |
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Sanqui |
(assuming twenty posts per forum page) |
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Sanqui |
s/forum/thread/ |
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Sanqui |
JAA: thoughts? |
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MrRadar |
I generally ignore them, especially through Archivebot |
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Sanqui |
OK, then should they be added to the forums ignore set? |
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Sanqui |
I'm archiving four forums right now and have been adding to it |
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MrRadar |
The problem is that there's so many ways for forums to structure their URLs so it's hard to write generic rules |
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Sanqui |
that's fine, that's why we add to the rules |
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Sanqui |
sure you can have custom forums but phpbb, smf etc. are gonna be roughly the same |
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Sanqui |
another question is the print/archive pages, like https://forums.arcade-museum.com/archive/index.php/t-298176.html |
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Sanqui |
i think those can be pretty useful for anybody scraping, but they're technically dupe info. |
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Sanqui |
if we agree that they should be ignored, i shall improve the list |
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MrRadar |
Hmm.. for those I wouldn't ban them by default |
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MrRadar |
Since some forums only show the "last 30 days" or w/e in their main indexes |
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MrRadar |
But do list all threads in their "archive" indexes |
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Sanqui |
okay. (archives often strip stuff like quotes, so they're worse for preservation though) |
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Sanqui |
i wish json had fucking comments |
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Sanqui |
or can we switch to json |
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xmc |
forums are terrible miserable repositories of culture |
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Sanqui |
yes |
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Sanqui |
they hold so much valuable content - especially for the people who took part in their existence |
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Sanqui |
but they're a dying breed |
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Sanqui |
I'm archiving forums even tangentially pertaining to my interests, not waiting for announcements. would love to get something larger-scale going |
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Sanqui |
10 archived years and 1 final, low-activity year before shutdown missing is a desirable outcome |
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Sanqui |
s/missing// |
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Sanqui |
nvm, that word was fine |
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xmc |
yeah |
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xmc |
i'm slowly puttering away at my forum scraper |
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xmc |
slowly |
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xmc |
ugh |
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xmc |
i wish i had more time and more drive |
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Sanqui |
i got one for zetaboards if you're interested |
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Sanqui |
works best if you give it an admin account though |
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xmc |
i'm scraping into usenet format, like gmane used to be |
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Sanqui |
i'd like to make one that just registers and logs in and scrapes away member-only forums (rare) and user pages (common) |
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Sanqui |
xmc: is your scraper 'pluggable'? |
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xmc |
eh, kinda |
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Sanqui |
as in, is it easy to write a module for a new forum sw |
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xmc |
i think so but i haven't tried |
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Sanqui |
is it on github? :) |
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xmc |
it's not public yet :P |
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arkiver |
xmc: kind of a wikiteam tool for forums? |
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arkiver |
like those wiki dumps being uploaded to IA |
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xmc |
kinda |
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arkiver |
nice |
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Sanqui |
so i am adding "/viewtopic\\.php\\?p=\\d+" |
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xmc |
with attachments and images and stuff too, as mime attachments |
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xmc |
like adults |
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xmc |
it's slow going because |
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xmc |
it's slow going because i'm being very particular about how i want its output to look |
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Sanqui |
well, it's within my (quite wide) area of interest |
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xmc |
and there's a ton of sysadminning yet to do |
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xmc |
like i have a newsspool full of malformed messages from one forum that i sucked in before it went away |
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xmc |
so i have to read those in and re-format them |
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xmc |
(i save all the original as-received data in the mime body, no worries there) |
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Sanqui |
[thumbs up] |
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Sanqui |
always derive |
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Sanqui |
(never integrate unless left with no other choice) |
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xmc |
... |
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* |
xmc points to the door |
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xmc |
nerds stay outside |
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MrRadar |
I've been working on archiving one of the web's bigger (but still dying) forums. It's complete up through the end of last year and I'm working on a script to check for incremental updates to it |
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MrRadar |
(I don't want to name them explicitly since there's a good chance they'd ban me for scraping their paid "archives") |
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Sanqui |
nice |
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xmc |
ohhhh |
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xmc |
hm |
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xmc |
they were on my target list but they don't work with my scraper so, |
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xmc |
if they're the site with paid archives that i think they are |
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MrRadar |
Probably ;) I don't know how many others do |
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Sanqui |
good |
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Sanqui |
i'll continue going after the more obscure, yet fascinating places myself :) |
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xmc |
is there an archiveteam subcommittee on webforums yet |
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xmc |
or does it still need a snappy name |
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Sanqui |
Message Bored |
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Sanqui |
you're welcome |
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xmc |
#msgbored ? great |
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xmc |
and done, everyone join there if want |
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Sanqui |
the joke is that people got bored of message boards and that's why they're dying and need saving |
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Sanqui |
(sorry, had to drive that home) |
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xmc |
:) |
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BartoCH |
scii western |
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BartoCH |
whops, typo |
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BartoCH |
for another channel, my bad |
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JAA |
Sanqui: Regarding your earlier question, I'd also ignore individual posts but keep archives. I'm not sure about printable versions; I guess I'm leaning towards ignoring them. |
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schbirid |
! |
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schbirid |
never grab individual posts, it makes the grab much more intense and is just redundant |
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timmc |
I feel like at best it's a lazy way of getting the contents of whatever inbound links to posts might exist, rather than inferring them from the threads. |
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