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JensRex |
Back up. My ISP owes 8 GB credit on the AT tracker! |
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JAA |
Maybe you exceeded your traffic cap. ;-) |
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JensRex |
Nah, they did away with that years ago. |
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JAA |
:-) |
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JensRex |
Just the usual incompetence from a huge ISP. |
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JAA |
I'm really glad we switched to a competent, small ISP. |
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JAA |
They're also the only ones to offer symmetric Gbit in the area though (for consumers). |
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JAA |
Ah, just checked, not anymore. But still the cheapest ones by far. |
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JensRex |
My terrible ISP is the least terrible available here. |
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JensRex |
That is, I can get DSL at 18 mibt from any number of providers, or cable at up to 1 gbit from Incompetence Inc. |
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JAA |
:-/ |
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JAA |
I hate "up to". |
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JensRex |
I meant I can get up to 1 gbit if I pay for it. Got 300 mbit currently. |
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JAA |
Ah, and you actually get 300 Mbit? |
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JensRex |
More like 360 mbit. |
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JensRex |
And 60 up. |
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JAA |
Neat. The cable connections I've used here were... not as good. |
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JensRex |
1 gbit is absurdly expensive though. ~107 €. |
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JensRex |
300 mbit is ~53 €. |
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JAA |
I pay about €56 for Gbit/s here. That's fibre though, not cable. |
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godane |
so this felicity tape most likely was from 2002-11-20 to 2002-11-27 |
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godane |
there was a jump to a thanksgiving episode after S02E21 |
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godane |
also sears ads saying that thanksgiving sale is on this friday for the last 3 episodes i think |
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godane |
this also may mean that the last 2 episodes of Season 2 on We aired on 2002-12-02 and 2002-12-03 |
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godane |
so the tank girl tape is the Tank Girl home video tape |
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godane |
it was a copy of it to a normal video tape |
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godane |
anyways the trailer at the end of the tape and partial MST3 recording will be saved |
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godane |
turned out that was taped over for Tank Girl |
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godane |
looks like it was Comedy Central 1991 for MST3 |
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godane |
there was ad for gamepro magazine in there commercial break |
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mundus |
Can someone do I recursive archive on http://www.poi-factory.com/ |
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mundus |
Also, is there anything I can do to gain ability to use archive bot? |
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dashcloud |
everyone can do the single site version- !ao url . you need to be voiced to use the !a (get everything version). |
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dashcloud |
you also need to be in the #archivebot channel |
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godane |
so i put in Felicity tape 1 and it has episode S01E02 from what i can tell |
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Somebody2 |
For reference, I am *not* available to exchange money for coding, sadly. (Or to donate money, for that matter.) But I'm supportive of such being done. |
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Asparagir |
You got something against money, huh? :-) |
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godane |
so i made of list of felicity episodes to days that there may have aired on We Channel |
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godane |
based on every the first episode aired 2002-09-30 |
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04:25
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godane |
archive news report confilmed it: http://www.amcnetworks.com/press-releases/we-womens-entertainment-acquires-exclusive-off-network-premiere-of-felicity |
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godane |
they say october but the monday that would have the first episode is 2002-09-30 |
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godane |
anyways i have at least a good guess when each episode aired |
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godane |
SketchCow: so i have a total of 38 files i have upload for 'Godane VHS Capture' folder |
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godane |
anyways i'm breaking up the felicity block i got |
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godane |
so i have S01E02 to S01E05 from this 'felicity tape 1' |
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SketchCow: so i think that damaged tape has a bird craw print in the cover |
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JAA: yeah, let's move the Lycos talk here |
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I completely forgot about http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ISP_Hosting |
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Seems I forgot they run Angelfire as well |
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JAA |
The more I read about it, the more confused I get. |
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JAA |
There was Lycos Europe, which shut down a few years ago and was therefore probably completely independent of Lycos US? |
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good news for archiving, though: they both seem to have the same sitemap-ception thing going on http://www.angelfire.com/robots.txt http://members.tripod.com/robots.txt |
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"Sitemaps of sitemaps! We need to go deeper!" *horns* |
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JAA: looks like there's already have a channel for this stuff: #webroasting |
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Ah, right |
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Ruff_Wiza |
better now? |
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JAA |
:-) |
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The other channel is mostly just for announcements and "oh shit this site is going down"-type messages. |
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okay |
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My mother is running a petition to stop the authorities in a city in Russia from moving a monument. Since the petition started, they've backed away from their original decision and also have managed to get some news articles edited and removed the statement about them planning to move it from their site. My brother found Google Web Cache'd versions online of the article before it was edited,... |
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Ruff_Wiza |
...but he said that we shouldn't rely on it since it can be removed, so I uploaded it to archive.is (after I found that I couldn't upload it to the Wayback Machine). Would you say that this is sufficient or that I should try and get the cached versions onto the Internet Archive too? |
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More copies are always better. In particular in the case of archive.is, which is just run by a single guy and could disappear at any time. |
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JAA |
How many links are we talking about? |
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But how do I get it onto there if the Wayback Machine doesn't take it? The Google cached versions have since auto-updated, so the archive.is versions are the only ones we have left for some of them. |
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Ruff_Wiza |
There are several articles covering this from different dates but I think there are three that are most important, though I suppose ideally we could put everything on there. |
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We can throw Google Cache pages into ArchiveBot if it's not too many. The problem with Google Cache is that they're blocking automated access quite quickly. But a few dozen links is not an issue. |
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For those that are only on archive.is now, it's a bit trickier. ArchiveBot ignores archive.is entirely... But I think it might be possible to get around that. |
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Ruff_Wiza |
I think 2 of the 3 caches updated themselves precisely because the articles were changed (at least I think so, anyway), and the other one is still up because the original page was deleted, not changed. Tell me if I am wrong about this. |
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(Google caches I'm talking about) |
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JAA |
Possible. I don't know too much about how Google Cache works internally. |
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JAA |
Sounds very plausible though. |
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I think that's the best explanation. Google Cache is primarily for Google own use, right? |
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*Google's |
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Yeah, basically. |
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And it can disappear or change at any time. |
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JAA |
It's definitely nothing that we can rely on. |
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Most people who were following this know that it's bullshit when they try and deny that it was ever gonna happen, but it's important to have an archive anyway, since a screenshot or pdf is not good enough evidence. |
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Ruff_Wiza |
Would you like me to send you some of the links? |
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Absolutely |
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And then what will you do with them? Just so I know. |
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I will add them to ArchiveBot. They will be archived and uploaded to the Internet Archive, though they won't appear in the Wayback Machine as mentioned previously. Anyone can download the archives and take a look at the content though (with the right software). |
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but doesn't that kind of defeat the point of it being able to be easily shared and used as evidence? |
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Ruff_Wiza |
why can't it be put on the wayback machine? |
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Hold on a second |
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JAA |
Ah yeah |
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JAA |
So the problem is that https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/robots.txt forbids access to /search. |
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What does that mean? |
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The Wayback Machine unfortunately follows robots.txt directives, meaning that it blocks access to any URLs disallowed there. |
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Ruff_Wiza |
But can't we feed a direct link to the particular cached page into the Machine? |
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oh, I see what you mean |
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Ruff_Wiza |
you mean because it has /search in the URL? |
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JAA |
If you find an alternative link to it, that might work, but I don't know of anything other than https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:URL |
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JAA |
Yes |
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Can we feed archive.is versions into the Machine? |
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Maybe, not sure. |
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It doesn't give me an option to do that straight away. |
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Ah no, won't work because archive.is/fo is behind CloudFlare protection. :-( |
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so archive.org has nothing I can add it to? |
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JAA |
Example: https://web.archive.org/web/20171106160948/https://archive.fo/COuCQ |
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JAA |
I don't think so. |
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I just get this: https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://archive.fo/SP1by |
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JAA: Do they have a chat like this one? |
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JAA |
You could download the .zip from archive.is and upload that to IA, but that's also not directly accessible. |
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There's #internetarchive, but that's unofficial. |
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I'll just do whatever you think is best |
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Ruff_Wiza |
Oh. Do you think they'll be able to help me? |
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(Or at least offer advice.) |
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I'm not sure what's best. I usually throw Google Cache links into ArchiveBot for such cases, but that's definitely far from ideal. |
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In any case, a difficult-to-access copy is infinitely better than no copy at all. |
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okay |
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Ruff_Wiza |
what software is needed to access archivebot? |
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JAA |
No idea, you can try asking there, I'm not familiar with the channel. |
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JAA |
Nothing besides an IRC client. Join #archivebot. |
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Right now? |
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ola_norsk |
is there no way to circumvent the f**kng t.co short urls when trying to post/browse a wayback archive? |
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ola_norsk |
i mean, the real url is in the "alt=" .. |
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ola_norsk |
one might as well replace any urls on archived twitter that's a "t.co" link, with the url in in the "alt=" property.. |
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ola_norsk |
damn bit.ly, goo.gl, t.co .. |
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noirscape |
not sure if it has been made aware yet but the miiverse warrior project doesnt work |
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noirscape |
Project code is out of date and needs to be upgraded. To remedy this problem immediately, you may reboot your warrior. Retrying after 90 seconds... |
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noirscape |
is the error ive been getting |
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DrasticAc |
It was taken down, Nintendo was banning IPs |
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noirscape |
oh |
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noirscape |
so no archiving? |
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DrasticAc |
We've already grabbed 137 million posts and 6.7 million user profiles |
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noirscape |
thats quite a bit |
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DrasticAc |
And I have another manual job that's archiving the newest posts as they come in. |
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noirscape |
ok |
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DrasticAc |
JAA: Is there any way we can edit the wiki to make it clear that the warrior job is down, but the manual grab is still on? |
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DrasticAc |
We've had it come up in the other chat room before too. |
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noirscape |
is there a way i can contribute with the manual grab? |
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phillipsj |
DrasticAc, I think you can get wiki accces by asking for the password in a specific way. |
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noirscape: No, it's something I wrote and I'm running it on an Azure bot. |
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DrasticAc |
Honestly, there's not much left. It's really the newest posts. |
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noirscape |
DrasticAc: oh good |
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DrasticAc |
We don't know how many older posts might be missing, since it's basically impossible to know how many total posts there are, and the Miiverse website has terrible pagination. |
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noirscape |
DrasticAc: I can edit the wiki if need be btw |
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DrasticAc |
Well, if you want to then :) |
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DrasticAc |
I'm not sure what to change it to though |
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Nintendo has started IP banning Warrior instances, therefore the archiving effort has publicly been disabled for now. A private grab is still running. |
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how about i add this? |
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DrasticAc |
Okay, sounds good. |
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