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ez |
maybe separate manga and doujin |
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00:09
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ez |
doujin are overwhelmingly porn, manga can be touchy, but is ultimately family friendly |
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00:09
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ez |
https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A"doujinshi" |
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00:09
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ez |
not bad, but still a spotty collection. |
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00:10
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ez |
(obviously nsfw link) |
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00:15
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* |
ez is tempted to start archiveteam wiki page "backup exhentai" with "exhentai is the largest doujin collection in the world, close to be raided by police at any moment" |
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00:15
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ez |
on a more serious note, has anyone looked into pixiv? |
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ola_norsk |
ez: i have no idea about manga etc. I just noticed that cover of the young woman apparently trying to saw herself in half with her panty, when clicking a topic on a favorited item :D |
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00:21
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ez |
they are essentialy fanfics, porn parodies of popular mechs |
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ola_norsk |
it's greek to me |
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00:22
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ez |
s/mechs/merchs |
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ola_norsk |
good stuff |
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00:24
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ez |
well, by cursory search, thers about 7k of em. am not sure about merit of archiving untranslated ones, when scanlations are available for most. |
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ola_norsk |
imo, war footage is far less 'suitable' , so i don't really care :D And i hope the people in the chat where i posted https://archive.org/details/manga_Nanshen_Zai_Gebi_Chapter_43 doesn't either :D |
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00:25
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ez |
dont worry tho, moral crusaders eventually discover the secret IO stash and pressure it to remove the archives |
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00:25
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ez |
seems like about a quarter are lolicon, especially triggering for those types |
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ola_norsk |
as long as it's not deleted.. |
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00:28
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ez |
ola_norsk: if youre into war footage, there's of course manga series about that, too: https://www.goodreads.com/series/213331 |
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00:28
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ez |
with the japanese twist of exploiting wombs to grow alien embryos as weapons |
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ola_norsk |
ez: nah, i'm just saying it's there..being worse than some cartoon :D |
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00:29
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ola_norsk |
i'm not sure if i'm getting my point across :D |
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kristian_ |
hi |
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ola_norsk |
i blame beer! :D |
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00:29
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ola_norsk |
hello |
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00:29
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kristian_ |
anyone got access to Hathi Trust? |
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00:30
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kristian_ |
I can't figure out if this is available to some, or to none ... |
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00:30
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kristian_ |
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015068390882 |
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ez |
ola_norsk: nah, i get what you're saying. though in some regard, i suspect footage of past events is on same grounds or even more deserving to be preserved than controversial fiction. |
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astrid |
kristian_: i can see it ... |
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00:30
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astrid |
and i'm not logged in? |
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ola_norsk |
today's cartoon is tomorrow's history.. |
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00:31
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astrid |
it says "rights: public domain in the united states" |
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00:32
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ez |
astrid: https://i.imgur.com/HGdDEdL.png |
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00:33
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astrid |
here's what i see https://imgur.com/e3sEwz8 |
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kristian_ |
astrid, I mean, if it's available for download for anyone? |
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00:33
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astrid |
do you want me to snag it for you or something |
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00:33
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kristian_ |
whoa |
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00:33
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astrid |
btw hathitrust downsamples images and it pisses me off |
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kristian_ |
astrid, that would be spectacular |
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00:34
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ez |
it wants login to get the pdf |
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00:34
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kristian_ |
it is the images I need, not the text |
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00:34
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kristian_ |
so best possible quality, please |
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00:34
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ez |
HathiTrust (listen to pronunciation) is a partnership of major research institutions and libraries working to ensure that the cultural record is preserved and accessible long into the future. |
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ez |
>accessible |
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00:34
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ez |
well, of course |
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00:34
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ez |
its *those* librarians |
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00:34
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astrid |
kristian_: do you want particular pages or should i tell it to give me the whole-book pdf |
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00:35
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astrid |
particular pages i think i can get in higher-res |
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00:35
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astrid |
because hathitrust downsamples images when it creates pdfs |
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00:35
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astrid |
because fuck you that's why |
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kristian_ |
ah |
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00:35
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kristian_ |
I need the illustrations for the Carnacki stories |
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00:35
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kristian_ |
perhaps you can search for "Hodgson" |
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00:36
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astrid |
okay idk i'll have it build me a pdf and then we can figure things out if that's not enough |
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kristian_ |
wonderful |
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kristian_ |
the issues of the Idler that are relevant: Jan, Feb, Mar, Apr, May 1910 |
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astrid |
oh i just poked "give me pdf" on the link you gave me |
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astrid |
which is the entire volume from 1909-oct thru 1910-mar |
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kristian_ |
so I guess it's volume 36 and 37 |
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kristian_ |
would that be downsampled? |
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astrid |
beats me |
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astrid |
i'll schlep it over to you and then you can tell me if it works for you |
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00:38
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astrid |
i'm pretty close to leaving work for the day and probably doing something extremely offline |
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00:39
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astrid |
how can i get it to you |
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00:39
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kristian_ |
you can pm me for my email address? |
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00:39
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astrid |
sure or you can just pm me your email address right now :P |
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00:39
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kristian_ |
yup |
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00:40
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kristian_ |
done |
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00:40
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astrid |
apparently the uni i graduated from lets me use hathitrust without any extra fuckery |
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astrid |
\o/ |
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ola_norsk |
how the hell can it be PD, and still be hard to find? |
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00:43
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ola_norsk |
it's almost like people are deleting shit |
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00:45
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astrid |
probably a funding issue |
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00:46
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kristian_ |
what I don't get is how anything from 1910 can not be total PD |
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00:47
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ez |
thats nothing, jstor was routinely paywalling scientific papers from 1800s |
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00:47
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astrid |
just because it's PD doesn't mean they'll just GIVE it to you |
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00:47
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ola_norsk |
shouldn't it be though? Isn't 70-80years automaticly 'out of copyright' ? |
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00:47
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ez |
nobody really knows anymore |
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00:48
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ez |
US has literally a domestic mouse as the ultimate of voice authority on copyright |
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00:49
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astrid |
lol |
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ola_norsk |
these people (Lawful Masses / Leonard French's "gang") tend to know shit, but yeah... https://discord.gg/3hvfgEc |
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ola_norsk |
i think it's about 70-80 years |
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00:50
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ola_norsk |
unless one's is up against a slew of highly paid lawyers saying it's not, of course |
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00:51
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kristian_ |
I think SketchCow is an authority on this matter |
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00:52
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ola_norsk |
i just know Nintendo will be selling fucking Super Mario NES rom for years to come.. |
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00:53
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ez |
anyhow, time limited copyright is profoundly communist idea. if you accrue a capital, you can collect a rent on it ad nausea too. saying otherwise is against democracy. |
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00:53
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ez |
or something along the lines US logic goes. |
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00:54
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godane |
SketchCow: the Dragon Pink A Tall of 3 Kitties can't be digitize |
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00:54
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godane |
i can't rewind the tape |
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ola_norsk |
i just know one thing, when the fucker who made is dead and buried, and it's copy-able..it's free game |
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00:56
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ez |
well, if you approach the whole capitalism thing as darwinism, it makes perfect sense. dwarin would say that in nature, genome lives on, theres no "hard time limit" on it either, as long it remains object of desire, people will pay for it. |
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00:56
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ez |
brb, patenting my dna |
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00:58
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ola_norsk |
screw darwin..aren't his books out of copyright btw ? |
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00:58
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ez |
(this is all very obviously silly, as well as copyright is - ideas, once published, enter post-scarcity, there cant be monopoly on it, much less economies, it simply violates information theory) |
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00:59
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ez |
"information theory" being the filthy pirates like astrid, who robbed a man, in his grave even |
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ola_norsk |
take his pants as well! |
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01:00
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ola_norsk |
and the damn coins they probably put on his eyelids |
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01:01
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ola_norsk |
being buried with pants on is a selfish act towards those who freeze to death having no pants |
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ez |
well, society is built on self-interest. what are you, some sort of altruistic anarchist? |
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01:02
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ez |
commie, even? |
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ola_norsk |
nah, some sort of liberal monarchist (i think) :D |
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ez |
good. if you're liberal, you'd not deprive a dead man of his right to monopolize access to his work. |
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ola_norsk |
i find that 'liberal' kind of varies these days :D |
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01:04
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ez |
seriously tho, the time limit idea was never good to begin with. if intellectual property is like any other property, why can't you just sell it, or pass a deed of ownership to next of kin before you die? |
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ez |
i think this is what actually happens with cases like these, it passes as pd only if it remains unclaimed |
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ola_norsk |
it's ok to pass it on. It's not like a copy destroys the work.. |
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ola_norsk |
dead people can't own property, right? And, is a copy really THAT property anyway? |
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01:08
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ola_norsk |
if i copied you hourse, have i stolen it? |
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01:08
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ola_norsk |
your* |
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01:09
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ola_norsk |
you still have your house.. |
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01:10
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ez |
well, the legalist concept of copyright seems to be similiar to, say, claims to land. its just a virtual concept recorded somewhere, but you dont factually posess the land. its not something you can put in your pocket. |
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ola_norsk |
imagine this , the second flute or drum ever made, at the dawn of mankind..was probably made by some douche who copied the idea of his neigbor.. |
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ez |
in economic terms, it's an intangible asset, but hell of a lot civilization depends on that stuff |
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01:12
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ola_norsk |
well, they do like flutes and drums it seems |
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ez |
so its not "you'd not download a card", it should be "you'd not download a corporation" or "legal deeds to intangible asset", if such a thing were actually possible |
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ez |
trouble is, with information, its trivially possible |
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01:13
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ez |
*download a car |
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01:14
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ez |
the biggest economy online today is personal information, basically keeping tabs on everyone else. that information has tremendenous value because its not published. |
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ez |
it sort of emerged as currency because privacy is something people actually value |
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ola_norsk |
aye.."The goverment is spying on us all!", said someone, on their facebook profile :D |
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01:15
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ez |
and facebook et al are essentialy traps to harvest that value. now the interesting bit with copyright and privacy: do you own copyright to your private information? |
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01:15
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ez |
meaning if somebody would replicate it without your authorization, that would be copyright infrigment |
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01:16
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ez |
confusingly, it seems that private information is not copyrightable, despite being one of the few bits of information holding actual information on account of people trying to naturally keep it secret |
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01:16
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ez |
*actual value |
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joepie91 |
ez: intellectual property is a misnomer; it's a monopoly, not property |
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joepie91 |
so any kind of property-based reasoning does not hold up |
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ola_norsk |
im strtuggling to read and write atm (i drink alot). so i need to read this tomorrow. |
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ez |
joepie91: its a bit fuzzy. monopoly is something that can corner market. you can't corner market with published information. |
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ez |
you can corner market with secret one, though. |
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joepie91 |
ez: no, it's not; a monopoly is something that disallows everybody except for one party from doing something |
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joepie91 |
market need not be involved |
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joepie91 |
that is the case for copyright, and it was always designed that way |
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joepie91 |
originally as a way to recoup investment so as to incentivize contributions to the public commons |
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joepie91 |
first one worked, latter not so much |
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ez |
joepie91: the reason why i speak about market is because thats the motivation for copyright. |
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joepie91 |
in other words: copyright has been about increasing the public commons from pretty much the start, but throughout the years that has been twisted into "right to earn money from work" and other such nonsensical narratives, through lobby groups |
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ez |
they'd not grant printing rights willy nilly, it was a contract - i and only i get to print this, you get paid money - was the copyright 200 years ago |
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joepie91 |
ez: no, it's not |
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joepie91 |
copyrights weren't about the market |
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01:18
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joepie91 |
they were about the public commons |
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joepie91 |
the market monopoly was just a means to an end |
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ez |
joepie91: public commons? |
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joepie91 |
ez: yes, as in the total pool of culture and knowledge available to society |
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ez |
i perceive it by the lens of the era, that is of guilds and market protectionism. those were frequent - for salt, mining, whatever. modern day example is opec. |
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ez |
is opec a monopoly? yes. does it corner market, ie largely influence market price? yes. |
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ez |
joepie91: my point is that copyright is not monopoly for monopolys sake, but to specifically extract profit. nobody gives a shit about common goods, this is all driven by self interest. |
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ez |
it also rationally explains why copyright exists. the only way i see to remove copyright would be to remove that self-interest incentive |
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ez |
this can be seen recently in china: china used to be very lax of IP law, but as clear winners in certain markets emerge, they have enough clout to impose copyright on others. it's the winners rewriting the rules of the game. |
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ez |
joepie91: so i looked at the history of copyright and you're right. youre talking specifically about queens anne edict. but copyright predates that by 1000 years |
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ez |
s/1000/100 |
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ez |
something like renewed queens edict would definitely help now, as copyright reverted back to its original market underpinning |
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ez |
(same situation seems to have happened with patents) |
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kisspunch |
Hey, figured I might as well post here in case anyone wanted to give it a shot: https://bountify.co/deduplicate-git-object-database-git-repos |
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kisspunch |
Trying to get someone else to do my least favorite step of github archiving |
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kisspunch |
Deduplicating across repos |
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kisspunch |
Bounty is $50 |
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ivan |
kisspunch: are you backing up everyone's forks? |
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swebb sets mode: +o DFJustin |
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ivan |
kisspunch: if this duplication is the result of many forks it might make sense to use git's built-in support for pulling from many remotes and let git deal with it |
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ivan |
s/pulling/fetching/ |
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sec0nd |
Does the internet archive dedup? |
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Somebody2 |
sec0nd: not yet, AFAIK. They will likely do so eventually. |
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Somebody2 |
ez: IA only provides per-file hashes (and sadly, only cheksum, md5 and sha1). However, third-parties have made merkle trees out of the data. |
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Somebody2 |
The closest to what you were thinking of is this, from OpenTimestamps, I think: https://petertodd.org/2017/carbon-dating-the-internet-archive-with-opentimestamps |
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Somebody2 |
Also look at http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive_Census |
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wp494 |
looks like the wiki's KOed |
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CoolCanuk |
you sound surpirsed |
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CoolCanuk |
hmm.. timeout :/ weirid |
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CoolCanuk |
well, you can pretend its up by viewing https://archiveteam.centralontario.ca/ but it's only the front page :P |
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CoolCanuk |
wp494: it's been down since 10pm Eastern Time. Yikes. http://stats.pingdom.com/mrrxflh49tqd/4095229 |
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godane |
so i got maybe 1 tape after the current one i'm ripping |
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Sanqui |
the wiki gets no love. :( |
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Sanqui |
CoolCanuk: that's the worst mirror I've seen. there's full wiki backups |
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SketchCow: There are some files named just "a" in ArchiveBot items archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171208150002 and archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171209030001. Several GB each, haven't looked at them yet. What are they? |
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archiveteam_archivebot_go_20171208200002 as well, but that one is small and was apparently detected as an audio file (transcoding to MP3 and Ogg attempted). |
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godane |
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*all jason scott tapes |
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ola_norsk |
so, i managed to convert the virtualbox Warrior appliance to a running KVM/libvirt guest. In case someone would like to help improve it there's https://bitbucket.org/duckhuntpr0/archiveteam-warrior-kvm |
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ola_norsk |
it's kind of wierd how virtualbox crashed, yet kvm does not, on the same machine.. |
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ola_norsk |
i'd like to put it on github as soon as it's not such a mess, but keeping it on bitbucket for now |
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it's gonna need e.g a kind of setup script that alters the xml based on the host pc/user |
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ola_norsk |
man, saturday nights, the most boring day on the internet :/ |
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CoolCanuk |
if anyone finds a HQ version of the Windows XP commercial in English, please tell me |
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CoolCanuk |
"Windows XP commercial Soaring (HQ)" has 9/11 footage at the end and does not count. |
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ola_norsk goes on the hunt |
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ola_norsk: ignore Windows XP commercial Soaring (HQ), ok? |
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ola_norsk |
i'll still listen to it :D i liked xp :D |
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ola_norsk |
damn Vista. Only reason i bought it was to get Directx 10 :/ |
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ola_norsk |
never again |
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ola_norsk |
how much quality do you need? |
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CoolCanuk |
here's the best I've found... but no in english https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy93QjoEKf8 |
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CoolCanuk |
480 is fine, but all the ones I find are blurry/colors faded/pixaly |
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ola_norsk |
anyway to find the director? |
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ola_norsk |
many ad directors or ad companies like to post their shit on their portfolio |
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ooh. good idea |
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CoolCanuk |
eh, dont worry about it |
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CoolCanuk |
however take a look at how fast they skip #6 (vista) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPLEI9EzKs |
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CoolCanuk |
"oops we really fucked up" |
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ola_norsk |
It's my strong belief that MS doesn't sell operating system anymore, merely a way to run games |
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Somebody2: ah neat, so its all "make your own". well, at least somebody was kind enough to timestamp it. |
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ola_norsk |
anyway, if there's a portfolio to be found, that might be the ultimitate qualite there is to find .. Example http://www.miskoiho.com/commercials.html |
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ola_norsk |
...who keeps advertisment private anyway? :D |
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if there's director name or company..it's somewhere out there |
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CoolCanuk: as last resort, i guess there's 4chan or Microsoft PR deparment ? :) |
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CoolCanuk: "The product is all about empowerment, and we wanted a song that really brought that spirit to life," said Michael McLaren, a vice president at San Francisco marketing company McCann-Erickson. "It's a very positive track that speaks to the human potential." |
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ola_norsk |
CoolCanuk: got twitter? |
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CoolCanuk |
why |
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ola_norsk |
to nag them :) |
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CoolCanuk |
https://twitter.com/secureht |
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ola_norsk |
no, i mean those guys :D I'm banned off of twitter intentionally :D |
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"McCann-Erickson" marketing company seems to be behind that ad |
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ola_norsk |
CoolCanuk: https://www.mccann.com/ |
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thx |
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ola_norsk |
just tweet to them: GIMME LINK TO 2001 XP AD! ... |
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they'd be a bit counterproductive if they didn't.. |
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xD |
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ola_norsk |
one problem might be their license for the madonna song expired though :/ |
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ola_norsk |
(probably) |
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CoolCanuk |
thats fine |
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CoolCanuk: i see they also like Vimeo.. https://www.mccann.com/work/makewhatsnext ..don't know their 'channel' there though |
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CoolCanuk |
:P |
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https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/3dw0lBgz/ |
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CoolCanuk |
oooops |
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'Vimeo, the video platform for the pretensious' :D |
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CoolCanuk: i'm thinking the creator of that xp ad is in this list https://vimeo.com/user11996412/following/followers/sort:date/format:detail |
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lol i dont need it that bad |
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pff...XP rocked! |
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480p was a reasonable resolution for 2001 though...or? :D |
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ola_norsk |
CoolCanuk: tweet a polite nag to these https://twitter.com/215mccann |
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CoolCanuk |
lol dont need it badly |
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suit yourself :D |
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;p |
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ola_norsk still gonna hunt for it though.. |
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not that anyone cares but I think the last time I went to sears.. maybe 6 years ago they played this song. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIZdjT1472Y RIP sears. That's all I rememeber |
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also sometimes i into the garden, cover myself in dirt and i pretend i am a carrot. |
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the killers rock |
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sears perfume department ... not so much |
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i don't think sears is in my country |
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my asthma is bad enough with all the clothing :P |
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CoolCanuk |
https://www.sears.ca/ |
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what are some newspaper domains that allow reader articles? |
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ola_norsk |
opinion pieces, i get it's called |
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need some credible sham to email mcann :D |
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oh |
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ola_norsk |
'hi. I'm writing an article on your 2001 windows XP advertisiment'..kind of thing |
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CoolCanuk |
http://www.niagarafallsreview.ca/ugc/submission |
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ola_norsk |
ty |
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jrwr |
SketchCow: So, Vidme is going to be about 600TB |
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ola_norsk |
https://youtu.be/9B7npSXQkxE |
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jrwr |
and we have 6 days |
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ez |
ouch |
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CoolCanuk |
anything well |
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jrwr |
Internet Archive is being too slow in its uploads |
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jrwr |
We have a box that can upload at 10Gbit/s |
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jrwr: its rentable, but would take some sort of angel to pay the ACD bills |
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CoolCanuk |
(or illegal activity ;) ) |
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ez: there's no paypal ? |
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ez: i'd give a dollar or two.. |
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LOL wot |
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ez |
you need to push around 100TB a day |
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ez |
literally 10gbits |
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you need spot priced cache, forget about donkey ass slow IA |
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so my city has the largest tesla supercharger station. 20 stalls. No one drives a tesla here, closest tesla dealer is way in toronto. RIP |
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ez |
thats assuming vidme even lets you fetch at tengig, but it can be hacked up i suppose |
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ez |
they use cloudfront, dont they? |
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how about just ASKING vid.me to allow certain access for longer? anyone tried that? |
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ez |
so if its amazon within amazon, bw is not an issue |
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if they're not total dicks..they'd keep it up with allowed access long enough.. |
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ez |
apparently they are dicks "sorry lol, we baleet everything and start over". it sounds like some internal drama which led to MAD between the platform and investors |
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...it doesn't hurt to ask though.. |
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hai vidme, could you give me access to your cloudfront dashboard? |
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ez |
not sure how that would fly |
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ola_norsk: but technically yes, its possible to transfer the archive to entirely different entity. if IA approached vidme and asked politely and vidme agreed, that would be awesome. no need to copy anything. |
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600TB cf will still cost some serious bucks tho, even if no bw is burned. |
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how about 'Hi. I loved vid.me. Sad to see it go. Trying to back it up. Any way you could present with me a way to download all the video content?' |
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Kaz |
we need to grab it live so the WARCs work properly, that's the issue |
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their robots.txt doesnt forbid it, its implied. |
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Kaz |
we've been offered all the data |
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ok |
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Kaz: do warc have that kind of storage and bw on aggregate? |
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WARC is a file type |
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ola_norsk: there was never need to negotiate anything actually, all the data is api available |
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ez |
ah, i thought you mean warrior |
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Kaz |
we're struggling to find places to put all the data atm |
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Kaz |
#vidmeh for more |
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ez |
ah |
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ez: still, i'm talking about access to that data beyond the scheduled shutdown..I struggle to make my point, but i kind of doubt they run format on the disks that very moment.. |
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well, there's no point to them renewing the disks if their site is gone. so it VERY likely wont be online for the next month payment |
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would you rather put $1000 into servers for no reason, or pocket the $1000? execs will want to pocket it, since the site is inaccessible |
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anyway, if there's an offer for all the data, i guess that's what i'm talking about |
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ivan: yes, but object duplication and fork detection are different, and I expect object deduplication to be much better |
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i've already settled on an archival format, this is basically the compression step |
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i remember seeing a Jason Scott talk, where a company was mentioned that basically postponed the date..just to allow archivists to get their shit |
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ola_norsk: as i said, its on cloudfront |
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ez |
meaning, its hosted by amazon |
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ez |
simplest thing you can do is log in to the console, and transfer the buckets to different account |
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ola_norsk: but that would be just to buy time obviously, CF rent is expensive endeavor. |
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ola_norsk: yea, presumably this has to do with the vid.me's accounting |
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ola_norsk |
well shit |
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ez |
they simply stop paying the amazon's bill |
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ez |
so sb else has to |
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aye, if it's amazon closing the doors.. |
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man, i feel sorry for all those germans who apparently found hope in vid.me |
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some people literally moved their youtube channels.. |
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i'm saving AfterPrisonJoe! with youtube-dl https://vid.me/AfterPrisonJoe |
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does 'ia upload <item>' generate item? |
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if it's 600TB, there's no way to pump those to IA in 6 days? |
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why the hell does Err:9 http://deb.debian.org/debian stretch-updates Release = 404 |
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CoolCanuk |
thefuck |
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CoolCanuk: ? |
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CoolCanuk |
the debian cdn is making me uproductive with archivin |
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CoolCanuk: could it be heavy traffic? |
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CoolCanuk |
unlikely |
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ola_norsk |
internet is broken |
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I use local universities or national labs |
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the whole internet is going up, or down, some hill...it's going somewhere.. https://youtu.be/1VD_pJOFnZ0 |
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CoolCanuk: if it's not busy mirrors, then i don't know.. |
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CoolCanuk |
yeah idk |
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if you keep trying, it eventually works |
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aye. It's usually a good idea to use national/nearest mirrors/repositires |
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ola_norsk |
e.g , using apt-get towards main ubuntu mirrors can often fail for a day, before they sound off of and suddendly exist again |
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i can imagine they're hit with alot of shit from time to time, especially at security updates |
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CoolCanuk: like Selavi said, it might be good to use nearest/local mirror |
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CoolCanuk |
ye |
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i also use a mirror at a norwegian university |
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canadian can't be much worse :D |
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(psst...if they are..head on over to norwegian mirrors..It's 22:55 here..so everyone is either drunk or asleep) ;d |
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CoolCanuk: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full ...And quit being selfish, use torrent :D |
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CoolCanuk |
torrent O_O? |
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ola_norsk |
if it's downloading CD ? |
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ola_norsk |
beh..nevermind.. |
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CoolCanuk: https://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full#CA should solve it though |
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CoolCanuk |
ya |
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nah all good |
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ola_norsk |
all's well that ends well |
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"There's a lot of possbilites as to why the Internet won't exist in it's current state" - Bryan Lunduke |
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no shit.. |
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is there a browser that groups tabs? https://imgur.com/a/rZou0 |
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astrid |
what? |
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ola_norsk |
you know, like in taskbar, where windows are grouped? |
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ola_norsk |
apply temporary mute when i'm rambling please. It's better than ban :) |
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ola_norsk is simply bored while downloading vidme videoes |
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ola_norsk |
downloading to ia upload <item> , that is |
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ola_norsk |
#vidmeh sounds to have scimped on task delegation, if it's "just" 600TB.. |
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astrid |
lol |
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Kaz |
the fuck does that even mean |
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astrid |
means he's drunk |
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astrid |
told him in pm that he can rejoin whenever, as soon as now |
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Frogging |
don't drink and archive |
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Frogging |
:p |
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'ia upload <item> *' would fail gracefully if there's no file in '*' , right? |
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