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Message |
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icedice |
Hey ez, are you sure hosting on Marshall Islands is even a thing? Nothing on https://www.peeringdb.com/advanced_search , http://www.datacentermap.com/datacenters.html , and the very few Marshall Islands web hosts listed on Google just seems to be based in the Marshall Islands and rent servers in the US. |
00:01
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icedice |
They can't even maintain their own TLD: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.mh |
00:02
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JAA |
icedice: #archiveteam for announcements, #archiveteam-bs for lengthy archival-related discussions, #archiveteam-ot for anything else. |
00:02
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icedice |
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_in_the_Marshall_Islands#Internet |
00:02
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icedice |
ok |
00:02
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icedice |
moving the discussion there |
00:08
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00:22
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jacketcha |
You should try to host on Kahoolawe if you're looking for a far away island |
00:22
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jacketcha |
I'm pretty sure there are a few hundred people there |
00:22
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jacketcha |
Don't mind the radiation |
00:25
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icedice |
I'm guessing the US nuked the shit out of that and the inhabitants now glow in the dark |
00:26
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jacketcha |
Probably |
00:26
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jacketcha |
I think I have some relatives there |
00:26
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jacketcha |
If not there, try Mauna Kea |
00:26
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jacketcha |
You can power your servers with hundreds of peltier devices |
00:26
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icedice |
Sure, get them to set up a box that connects via satellite and we have a web host :P |
00:27
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jacketcha |
Don't even need a satellite |
00:27
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jacketcha |
Hawaii is one of the chokepoints of the internet, kinda like Norway |
00:27
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icedice |
Ah, right |
00:28
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jacketcha |
And yet, Hawaiian Telcom STILL can't get their modems to have a normal settings page with port forwarding |
00:28
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00:28
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icedice |
My friend and I are currently hosted in a DMCA free data center in Luxembourg |
00:29
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jacketcha |
Just be careful, Germany is getting nationalistic again |
00:30
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icedice |
(We have an ad free non-profit fansite that hosts some stuff that is long out of print, but still copyrighted, as well as some newer stuff) |
00:31
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ez |
icedice: luxembourg implemented EUCD in 2004 |
00:31
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ez |
if anybody tells you otherwise, its marketing BS |
00:31
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icedice |
It's DMCA free though |
00:31
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ez |
DMCA applies only to US |
00:32
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ez |
anywhere in EU, you have EUCD |
00:32
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icedice |
Any request would have come via Luxembourg's legal system |
00:32
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ez |
except for perhaps switzerland, which has its own process for copyright strikes |
00:32
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icedice |
Yeah, but lots of foreign web hosts still obey and enforce DMCA |
00:32
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jacketcha |
We have strict copyright, but at least we have good fair use laws that nobody listens to except the people protected by it. |
00:32
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jacketcha |
Rest in peace fair dealing |
00:33
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icedice |
Anyway, the people owning the copyright most likely know we exist and we have never gotten a legal notice from them |
00:33
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JAA |
#archiveteam-ot please. |
00:34
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icedice |
Hell, two people from those companies even use the site |
00:34
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icedice |
I'll stop now |
00:34
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00:34
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jacketcha |
Now that's what you call good public and private relations |
00:46
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jacketcha |
Hey, how many of you have seen https://pastebin.com/rFAgdLWD |
00:46
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jacketcha |
It's one of the top trending pastes right now |
00:48
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jacketcha |
And I think they pulled it off |
00:48
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jacketcha |
oh well |
00:49
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JAA |
Still works for me. |
00:50
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JAA |
Ah you mean that. |
00:50
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jacketcha |
But bitcoin is taking one of the biggest hits |
00:50
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JAA |
Meh, the decay started earlier than that, didn't it? |
00:50
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jacketcha |
No, this is the second time I've seen this paste |
00:50
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JAA |
Hm |
00:50
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jacketcha |
the first one was seen by way more people |
00:50
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jacketcha |
I think they're trying to kill the bubble |
00:50
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JAA |
The date is interesting for sure. |
00:51
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jacketcha |
Yeah, it started going down around wednesday |
00:52
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jacketcha |
I think my archiving extension grabbed the first one |
00:52
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ez |
jacketcha: i've seen better |
00:52
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ez |
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/277984429081624577/393814757766987786/1lciqvoynf501.png |
00:52
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ez |
arguably one of the best bitcoin memes atm |
00:53
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JAA |
Hehe |
00:53
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jacketcha |
lmao |
00:54
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JAA |
jacketcha: Nope, started earlier than that as well. Business Insider's markets tool has the maximum on Sunday. |
00:54
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JAA |
http://markets.businessinsider.com/currencies/BTC-USD |
00:54
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JAA |
Can't seem to extract the accurate timestamp from that though. |
00:55
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JAA |
And the stronger decay started around Tuesday. |
00:55
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jacketcha |
Yeah, I'm on bitcoin.com right now for their charts |
00:56
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jacketcha |
At this rate, they'll be able to sell bitcoin for the steam holiday sale soon. |
00:57
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JAA |
Ah, that's just daily rates, right. |
00:57
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jacketcha |
Yeah |
00:57
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jacketcha |
I need to start logging it every 10 seconds |
00:59
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JAA |
I want to do statistical analysis on that, like determining when the exponential growth of the last few months was first deviated from statistically significantly. |
01:00
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JAA |
Anyway, getting off-topicy again. |
01:01
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jacketcha |
yeah |
01:02
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jacketcha |
Does the internet archive keep a copy of bitcoin's price though? |
01:03
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jacketcha |
I think I'll set that up |
01:03
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jacketcha |
should be pretty easy |
01:06
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jacketcha |
around every 30 seconds should be fine, right? |
01:14
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jacketcha |
done |
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01:25
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ez |
jacketcha: theres no singular "bitcoin price". there are archives of individual trade feeds, though - https://bitcoincharts.com/about/markets-api/ |
01:25
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ez |
all the markets are very shallow/high spread so its difficult to establish a precise price at any given moment |
01:30
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jacketcha |
Of course there is no single price for bitcoin, such as there is no single price for bread. There is a common range of prices, and very big cryotocurrency market places though that report their price. I am using bitcointicker.co for my price origin right now\ |
01:31
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ez |
yea, that just displays the feed |
01:32
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ez |
what i mean that if you want to mirror historical data, just mirror bitcoincharts feed for history, and then you're better off pulling the exchange api yourself |
01:32
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ez |
screenshotting any given website will give you very inaccurate/out of context (meaning: useless) data |
01:33
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jacketcha |
True, I'll take that into the script |
01:33
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jacketcha |
Would it be even better to take multiple sources as well, not just bitcoincharts? |
01:34
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ez |
bitcoincharts is the only one giving out public history, but they themselves generally discourage using their live feed |
01:34
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ez |
the site is often quite overloaded as p much all trade bots are pointed at it |
01:35
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ez |
(meaning, bitcoincharts is *the* archive of historical price, but it would be nice to have another one) |
01:36
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jacketcha |
I'll look into that |
01:37
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ez |
if there was something archiving bid/ask orderbooks as well, that would be really nice, as far i know nobody archives that |
01:37
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ez |
but its generally important metric on the depth of the market through history |
01:37
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jacketcha |
Well, thanks random fearmongering paste, now I have a winter break project\ |
01:38
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ez |
the paste is so ridiculous i suppose thats why its shared. of ridiculous cryptocurrency shaenigan pastes, this one takes the crown https://pastebin.com/CcGUBgDG |
01:38
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ez |
while fake, i really wish it was real |
01:40
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jacketcha |
protip: if you want to look serious when baiting, sign your message with pgp |
01:41
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jacketcha |
You know, with pastebin getting around 2 pastes per second, I wouldn't doubt that the majority of all human knowledge has made it in there |
01:42
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ez |
pastebin would probably deserve some sort of archive bot, yea |
01:43
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ez |
archiving it amounts to archiving 4chan though, the bot operator would have to constantly deal with the same legal takedown barrage pastebin gets |
01:43
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jacketcha |
I have an idea |
01:43
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godane |
so i found my last recorded vhs |
01:43
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ez |
perhaps keep the archive log delayed/darked for a year or so, and then publish it |
01:44
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jacketcha |
Encrypt each paste and wait for its copyright to expire, then decrypt it |
01:44
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ez |
nobody generally gives a shit about what was going on before |
01:44
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ez |
jacketcha: copyright? |
01:44
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godane |
its has dust on the top but has no white mold |
01:44
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|
ez |
its rarely about copyright |
01:44
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|
ez |
just the usual - slander, harassment, dox and stuff |
01:44
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|
ez |
is what disappears from pastebin pronto |
01:44
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|
ez |
also leaked passwords and what not |
01:44
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jacketcha |
good point |
01:45
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jacketcha |
ive made somewhat of an effort to archive at least the new pastes |
01:45
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jacketcha |
using the liveweb feature |
01:46
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|
ez |
pastebin are real asses about scraping |
01:46
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ez |
they have pay-to-scrape api |
01:46
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jacketcha |
ikr |
01:47
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ez |
and public scraping is limited, you cant hammer it at the rate new pastes appear sadly |
01:47
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ez |
needs to cycle at least 10 or so proxies |
01:47
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jacketcha |
So, I made a chrome extension that is basically the equivalent of !ao, but it runs on every page you visit |
01:47
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jacketcha |
and i get banned from pastebin |
01:47
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jacketcha |
alot |
01:47
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jacketcha |
Good thing VPNs exist |
01:49
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JAA |
I think joepie91 was looking into Pastebin archival with that previously mentioned $$$ API a while back. |
01:50
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ez |
depends whats worth more, $20 for scrape pass, or your time to make your script proxy aware |
01:50
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jacketcha |
I'm broke, so I'll take proxy aware |
01:50
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jacketcha |
At least multiple people can run it then |
01:51
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jacketcha |
as long as they know how to install node packages |
01:52
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ez |
i'd first check if they dont ban tor already tho |
01:52
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ez |
as tor is one of the few rare "legit" proxies, any other proxy is shady one way or another |
01:53
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jacketcha |
i wonder if i can just use IFTTT |
01:53
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jacketcha |
they're a big name |
01:53
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jacketcha |
and it's easy to use them as a proxy as long as you don't expect a response |
01:54
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ez |
yes, ifttt can make http requests |
01:55
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ez |
these tools are incredibly cumbersome for anything serious, even as simple as scraping pastebin |
01:55
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jacketcha |
yeah |
01:55
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jacketcha |
wait |
01:55
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jacketcha |
does the internet archive use a proxy while using liveweb? |
01:55
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JAA |
Don't. |
01:55
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JAA |
:-P |
01:55
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ez |
why would they? |
01:56
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ez |
the crawler uses ia ips, if thats what youre asking |
01:56
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jacketcha |
alright, because most of my crawlers use liveweb, because me too poor to afford a dedicated server for warc storage, and me too stupid to learn how to use google drive api |
01:56
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ez |
hmm, im not sure what save page extension actually does |
01:57
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ez |
i imagine it would be simpler to just save whats already downloaded by the client |
01:57
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jacketcha |
it saves the page without resources |
01:57
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ez |
even if that introduces trust issues |
01:57
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JAA |
I wrote a little script for peeking into WARC files without having to decompress the entire file, in case anyone's interested: https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/warc-peek |
01:58
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ez |
jacketcha: google drive is too pricey anyway |
01:58
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jacketcha |
nah, i got a school account |
01:58
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ez |
ah |
01:58
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JAA |
I thought those extensions just open web.archive.org/save/<current URL>. But there are several, and I don't know all of them. |
01:58
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jacketcha |
they do |
01:58
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jacketcha |
but mine just makes a get request |
01:58
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JAA |
Anything else would be pretty dangerous really. |
01:59
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JAA |
Dangerous for the integrity of the archive, that is. |
01:59
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jacketcha |
https://github.com/jacket-chan/auto-archive-extension |
01:59
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JAA |
Ah :-| |
01:59
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ez |
JAA: on another hand, it would allow for archiving walled content |
01:59
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ez |
but as you said, trust issues |
01:59
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jacketcha |
good point |
01:59
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JAA |
Yeah |
01:59
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jacketcha |
i think im gonna reverse engineer how WARCreate works and just steal that |
01:59
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jacketcha |
thank god for open source |
02:00
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ez |
jacketcha: theres also archive.is you can abuse for this too |
02:00
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ez |
archive.is is slightly better as it seems to run true headless browser, while ia archives seem wonky |
02:00
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jacketcha |
true |
02:00
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ez |
tho not sure about save page, im judging by public crawls |
02:01
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jacketcha |
I used that for archiving 4chan pages before I knew about archiveteam |
02:01
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jacketcha |
just archive the archive.is page and you're good to go |
02:01
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JAA |
The save page "just" serves the live page, attempting to rewrite every URL it can find to web.archive.org/save/... |
02:02
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JAA |
That works well for many things and not so well for just as many things. |
02:02
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JAA |
In particular 99% of JS-based requests will probably fail. |
02:02
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jacketcha |
That sounds eerily similar to what I would have done |
02:02
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ez |
jacketcha: 4chan got its own fleet of mirrors |
02:02
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ez |
no need to save threads |
02:02
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jacketcha |
true\ |
02:03
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jacketcha |
but they're all blocked for when I want to read greentext in the middle of infotech |
02:03
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ez |
tho no mirror is as crazy to keep all the pictures iirc |
02:03
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ez |
i know the guy who runs 4plebs |
02:03
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jacketcha |
doesn't 4chan upload the images to imgur? |
02:03
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ez |
and its like, 40tb just the thumbnails |
02:03
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jacketcha |
oof |
02:03
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JAA |
s/crazy/ambitious/ |
02:04
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JAA |
;-) |
02:04
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JAA |
Look at us, we were trying to save 1.4 PB of Vidme videos. :-P |
02:04
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jacketcha |
lol |
02:05
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jacketcha |
so me and my friend at school decided at the beginning of the year we're going to race to fill our google drive accounts with one petabyte |
02:05
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jacketcha |
and I got 6.1tb in before I got contacted by IFTTT because I had made more than a million requests per hour to the google drive API using their service |
02:06
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JAA |
That sounds... inefficient. |
02:06
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jacketcha |
extremely |
02:06
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jacketcha |
but, as I said before, |
02:07
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JAA |
Just use Beaston02's scripts if you're serious about that challenge. That should get it done in a few weeks or so. |
02:07
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* |
jacketcha is too stupid to learn how to use any of Google's APIs and OAuth |
02:07
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ez |
JAA: 4chan is far bigger than, sadly. |
02:07
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ez |
400GB a month |
02:07
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ez |
thats after deduping |
02:07
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JAA |
(That's the guy who hoarded > 1 PB of webcam porn on Amazon Drive until they discontinued the unlimited plan.) |
02:07
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jacketcha |
lmao I remember that |
02:08
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ez |
JAA: ouch |
02:08
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JAA |
ez: Uh, that doesn't sound right. |
02:08
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JAA |
14 years * 12 months per year * 400 GB per month = ~67 TB |
02:08
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ez |
JAA: thats just one, but most active board |
02:09
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jacketcha |
is that /b/, /pol/, or /r9k/ |
02:09
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ez |
pol, but b and r9k together are archived too |
02:09
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ez |
and tehy together are probably as big as pol |
02:10
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jacketcha |
wait, /pol/ is bigger than /b/? |
02:10
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JAA |
jacketcha: The AT wiki has a nice compilation of the 4chan mirrors by the way. |
02:10
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ez |
i dont have numbers for the rest, but taken together 4chan should be something to the tune of 2TB a month |
02:11
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ez |
jacketcha: by far. only as recent tho |
02:11
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JAA |
So ~300 TB total for the past 14 years (at most, as it was probably less active in the early days?). That's big, but not *that* big. |
02:11
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jacketcha |
not CERN "hey if you want to download collision data here's the link" on twitter big |
02:12
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ez |
JAA: just thumbnails. nobody really knows number for full scrape as nobody archives those for longer than a year |
02:12
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JAA |
Oh, I see. |
02:13
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jacketcha |
I'm surprised this isn't one of the biggest targets, seeing how 4chan is probably on some of the shakiest grounds known to any site, but is the birthplace of memes. |
02:14
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JAA |
Shouldn't be too hard to scrape a few thousand threads and estimate total size from that. |
02:14
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ez |
hm, 4plebs apparently doesnt have archive.moe archives |
02:14
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ez |
guess it would be nice to start mirroring the boards somewhat more consistently |
02:14
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ez |
all the archives seem to be truncated to between 1-4 years |
02:15
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jacketcha |
yeah |
02:16
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ez |
archive.moe was huge, like 10TB and seems to be still lost |
02:17
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jacketcha |
i wonder if it could be pieced together with the cache of really old computers |
02:17
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ez |
2015-09-19 4plebs Purge (Archived!) - Removing full images older than 18 months (before April 2014) as of September, 2015, due to low storage space. Obtained the data, now working to upload the whole set to the Internet Archive. |
02:17
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ez |
oh |
02:17
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ez |
so thats why |
02:17
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ez |
they dumped their full sizes to IA |
02:17
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jacketcha |
oh |
02:18
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jacketcha |
So, is the IA just the cold storage unit of the internet? |
02:18
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ez |
p much |
02:18
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jacketcha |
like, even I do that sometimes |
02:19
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jacketcha |
upload a file to a temp file host like uguu.se and just archive the file |
02:19
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jacketcha |
then bam, instant file hosting |
02:23
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jacketcha |
So, is the archiveteam twitter dead? |
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jacketcha |
Hey, where is the logs of the IRCs stored? Because I can guarentee that the logs of a channel for archivists will definitely be kept somewhere |
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JAA |
https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=IRC#IRC_Logs |
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jacketcha |
Thank you |
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godane |
so i may have ton of buffy episodes from season 6 |
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WOC episodes |
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SketchCow: so i maybe able to fix the gap of buffy episodes that was taped over in your boxes |
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my one last tape has S06E04 to S06E07 so far |
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that tape you had was label to have S06E06 to S06E12 |
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but it was all taped over but part of S06E12 at the end of tape |
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do we have that: https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/18471513/The_Journal_of_Organic_Chemistry_(JOC)[1936-2017]_upd_20.08.2017 |
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which reminds me |
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ez |
suppose there was a way to get hands on huge stash of sci-hub scrapes |
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ez |
how exactly one goes about getting those into IA? |
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ez |
those would indeed need to be darked immediately, springler would send their law ninjas immediately otherwise |
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schbirid |
you mean the papers? would be great to spread them amongst everyone with some kind of anonymous collection sharing thingies |
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its been tried before |
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it didnt work well |
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these collections are really huge |
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schbirid: https://sites.google.com/site/themetalibrary/library-genesis ... libgen is a lot like AT |
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just more rawwr, piratey |
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schbirid |
yeah the torrents are not well seeded :( |
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ideally it would be nice to have ia as seed |
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for as long as possible |
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not gonna happen |
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some day i'd like to make a proposal for nntp seeds ;) |
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libgen used to be posted to usenet, but apparently that stopped somewhere in the 700k range |
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yea, its sort of a problem finding home for all of that |
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but its kinda radioactive, being sci-hub affiliated and all |
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you cant post on usenet at this rate, especially not at the pace of sci-hub scrapes |
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Anyone else having issues with uploading to FOS? |
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jacketcha |
I'm going to pretend I know what that stands for even though it is probably something very obvious. |
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jacketcha |
Yes. |
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Igloo |
DNS lookup fos.textfiles.com |
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jacketcha |
no dns records or txt records |
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jacketcha |
runs ubuntu |
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ssh 2.0 |
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jacketcha |
and seems to be related to the internet archive and archiveteam] |
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jacketcha |
so probably important |
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Igloo |
Name: fortressofsolitude.textfiles.com |
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jacketcha |
oh |
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Igloo |
It's an ingress point for a lot of our "stuff" |
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jacketcha |
cool name |
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what's as7941? |
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BGP AS number |
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Interesting |
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oh wow it's 2:26 in the morning |
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I should probably go to bed |
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jacketcha |
gn |
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joepie91 |
JAA: ez: jacketcha: https://pastebin-stream.cryto.net/ |
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Nice! |
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https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/7lkwx6/over_2tib_of_old_scene_game_releases_now_complete/ |
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nice. Grabbing it now, thanks for linking |
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joepie91: neat |
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Who runs purplebot (the bot that announces wiki changes in here)? PurpleSym? I just noticed that my changes to the Blog.pl page from yesterday didn't get mentioned here. Perhaps something broke due to the server upgrades? (Cc jrwr) |
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JAA: Yep, thatβs mine as well. And yes, the wiki update seems to have killed it. Iβll have a look. |
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Thanks |
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Huh, for some reason python-requests double-encodes the pipe character in request parameters: https://www.archiveteam.org/api.php?action=query&rcdir=older&format=json&continue=&rcend=1513853996&rcnamespace=0%257C6&rcprop=user%257Ccomment%257Ctimestamp%257Csizes%257Ctitle%257Cflags%257Cids%257Cloginfo&rclimit=500&list=recentchanges |
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SketchCow: i'm uploading 10gb of qvc japan i capture over the last few days |
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also please don't upload the /QVC Japan/2017-12 folder until i tell you too |
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mostly cause i may lose power during my uploading |
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everything but that folder is uploaded |
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