#archiveteam-bs 2018-03-13,Tue

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00:04 🔗 SketchCow The return labels will be handed
00:04 🔗 SketchCow This is what my folks do all day, Godane
00:04 🔗 SketchCow Dozens of packages
00:05 🔗 SketchCow It'll work.
00:05 🔗 SketchCow We get charged
00:12 🔗 godane ok
00:12 🔗 godane thens for doing that
00:12 🔗 godane *thanks
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07:52 🔗 Stiletto was trying to find a utility for YouTube where if you have login/pass to your channel, can export metadata: video title, description, tags, category ID, privacy, uploaded timestamp, duration, manually entered recording date, YouTube ID string and/or URL, original filename
07:52 🔗 Stiletto probably easy enough for someone to write from YouTube API
07:52 🔗 Stiletto however, found out a few things
07:53 🔗 Stiletto one: the 2.0 API had a way to read out the original filename, the 3.0 API's ability to do this is currently broken
07:54 🔗 Stiletto ie. if possible, the only way to get all metadata is to read via 2.0 API AND 3.0 API - assuming 2.0 hasn't been deprecated to the point that this is no longer possible
07:56 🔗 Stiletto another note: ability to CHANGE tags is rate-limited. If you do it too frequently through automation, they can choose to ban you and your channel. This probably doesn't affect READING tags but IDK for sure...
07:56 🔗 Stiletto there's utilities out there, such as one called "TubeBuddy" and another called "Vidiq" that can do stuff like this, but I've also read reports of people being banned for using them in a spammy way
07:57 🔗 Stiletto TL;DR if anyone knows anything about all this, I'd like to know more, if there's recommended scripts, etc.
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14:54 🔗 SketchCow We'
14:54 🔗 SketchCow We've had a couple utilities that do some of this.
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15:32 🔗 DFJustin our stuff has all been for grabbing from the outside without the private stuff
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20:15 🔗 JAA Falco: Actually, https://web.archive.org/web/20180123064401/https://meta.discourse.org/ works fine for me if I disable JS for archive.org.
20:18 🔗 Falco I believe most users workflow is: Go to http://archive.org/web/ , click on Save Page Now button
20:18 🔗 Falco If I try this workflow
20:18 🔗 Falco using the page https://meta.discourse.org/t/make-discourse-play-nice-with-the-wayback-machine/34579
20:19 🔗 Falco I can see on DevTools that one assets is failing
20:19 🔗 Falco I can see on DevTools that one asset is failing
20:19 🔗 Falco https://web.archive.org/web/20180313201710/https://meta-s3-cdn.freetls.fastly.net/assets/plugin-third-party-a2f584b233a72491ff3314b6b98a7d5eb77b3cf099111c1266dcf03974044e9e.js
20:19 🔗 Falco is returning 504
20:26 🔗 JAA Huh
20:29 🔗 JAA The script itself seems to be fine: https://web.archive.org/web/20180313201710id_/https://meta-s3-cdn.freetls.fastly.net/assets/plugin-third-party-a2f584b233a72491ff3314b6b98a7d5eb77b3cf099111c1266dcf03974044e9e.js
20:29 🔗 JAA This looks like either a temporary issue or a bug in the Wayback Machine.
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20:31 🔗 JAA In any case, the JS version will most likely not work properly in the Wayback Machine anyway. JS is notoriously difficult to handle properly in archival.
20:32 🔗 JAA Regarding the 504 error, if it persists (say if it's still the case tomorrow), send an email to IA (info@archive.org) so they can look into it.
20:35 🔗 Falco is there a special http header that I could use to detect an archiving process and serve a better HTML ?
20:43 🔗 SmileyG then you wouldn't be archiving the original.
20:45 🔗 Falco well, it's only the HTML pre-JS transformation. We do this for Google Bot and cia.
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20:46 🔗 Falco we could add it here: https://github.com/discourse/discourse/blob/12706c4b295d260bbf34f5a8afc7e31971b3ea45/config/site_settings.yml#L997-L1000 and fix every Discourse install out there
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23:12 🔗 Stiletto <@SketchCow> We've had a couple utilities that do some of this.
23:12 🔗 Stiletto <@DFJustin> our stuff has all been for grabbing from the outside without the private stuff
23:13 🔗 Stiletto yeah, I figured the tools you had were more from the outside. Still, if anyone has any ideas how to acquire all the metadata on the *inside* of a YT channel, I am all ears
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