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hook54321 |
Anyone know what happened to this project? |
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hook54321 |
https://web.archive.org/web/20130515063511/http://aaronsw.archiveteam.org/ |
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eientei95 |
https://gist.github.com/sente/4536952 |
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hook54321 |
So I know some people that might know some people that work at FamilySearch (a genealogy site). The site allows people to attach external sources (URLs) to people in their family tree. I'm thinking about maybe trying to get them to give us a list of all the URLs. |
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Sanqui |
hook54321: even better: set up a long-term arrangements and get a new batch of URLs monthly |
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Sanqui |
however, are those external URLs public to begin with? if not there are big privacy concerns |
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hook54321 |
Sanqui: Do you mean if they're public in places other than FamilySearch, or if they're accessible to people with a FamilySearch account? |
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hook54321: I mean, let's say, crawlable |
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hook54321 |
ah, I'm assuming most of them can be found with search engines. |
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hook54321 |
Many people that use it are old, some of them hardly know how to use search engines. |
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hook54321 |
(No offense to them) |
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Sanqui |
I mean, let's say I'm using FamilySearch, and I add a link to a private photo album to my family tree |
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Sanqui |
is it public; can anybody stumble over that link? or would you inadvertently leak it? |
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hook54321 |
If anyone with the link can view it, then anyone with a FamilySearch account could find the link by going to a person's FamilySearch page. |
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hook54321 |
It's all one big family tree, people don't have personal trees. |
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hook54321 |
well, not all people are necesarily connected to each other on the tree, but you get what I mean probably. |
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yeah, OK |
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hook54321 |
Are there any examples of big URL shortening services that give archive.org mappings of their URLs? (in case they have legal concerns, since that's probably the closest thing to this situation) |
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Jens |
https://www.reddit.com/r/Archiveteam/comments/87qhhd/alexandria_library_is_burning_again_grab_n_go/ |
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Kaz |
1.4tb, 300k files, france |
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Kaz |
that feels like archivebot could eat it up on a beefy pipeline, thats a lot of waste imo |
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hook54321 |
that kind of open directory doesn't need to be ingested into the wayback machine in my opinion. |
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mhm. Open directories as a source of content are sometimes valuable, but there's way too much bloat in 99% of cases, not to mention that nobody's explicitly going to look for open directories on the wayback |
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hook54321 |
well, like, some are fine. For example something like a a directory of manuals hosted on a store's or manufacturer's site makes sense in my opinion. |
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hook54321 |
But like, a lot of the time people simply use them to share files that they archived. |
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yeah, in my eyes manufacturers sites etc fall into that 1% |
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hook54321 |
I think there's actually more of them like that than just 1%, the issue is tons of people use them for pirating movies and stuff, they don't talk about other ones as often. |
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hook54321 |
Some ones with user generated content can sometimes be fine, but like, it depends. |
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ola_norsk |
can you believe i uploaded this item in the year 200, _or_ , |
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ola_norsk |
is it a bug? https://archive.org/details/stone-age-test-000 |
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ola_norsk |
if it's a bug, where do i report it? |
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powerKitt |
<addeddate>2018-03-28 15:57:56</addeddate> |
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powerKitt |
https://archive.org/download/stone-age-test-000/stone-age-test-000_meta.xml |
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ola_norsk |
"Uploaded by ola_norsk on March 18, 0200" |
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ola_norsk |
used 'ia upload stone-age-test-000 pet-rock.jpg --metadata=collection:test_collection --metadata=publicdate:200-03-18 --metadata=year:200' |
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powerKitt |
you told it to set the metadata to that |
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powerKitt |
and it did |
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powerKitt |
ruling: no bug |
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powerKitt |
working as intended. |
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ola_norsk |
'upload date' ? |
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ola_norsk |
ok |
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ola_norsk |
it was ~5 minutes ago |
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powerKitt |
if that's the command you used, then you told it to set the upload year to 200. |
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ola_norsk |
powerKitt: i repeat ""Uploaded by ola_norsk on March 18, 0200" |
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powerKitt |
ola_norsk: "used 'ia upload stone-age-test-000 pet-rock.jpg --metadata=collection:test_collection --metadata=publicdate:200-03-18 --metadata=year:200'" |
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powerKitt |
--metadata=publicdate:200-03-18 and --metadata=year:200 would set the publicdate and year metadata to 200. |
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powerKitt |
which it did |
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powerKitt |
it's intended behavior. You just did something silly and confused yourself. |
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ola_norsk |
do you not see the problem with "Uploaded by ola_norsk on March 18, 0200" |
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ola_norsk |
? |
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powerKitt |
No, because you told IA to make the upload date appear as that. |
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ola_norsk |
ok, so i uploaded the item in the year 200..i don't mind |
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powerKitt |
<addeddate>2018-03-28 15:57:56</addeddate> |
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powerKitt |
it recorded when you actually uploaded it |
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powerKitt |
but part of your command |
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powerKitt |
was to set the displayed "publicdate" value |
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powerKitt |
to the 18th of March, 200. |
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powerKitt |
The problem is with you putting --metadata=publicdate:200-03-18 --metadata=year:200 at the end of your upload command. |
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ola_norsk |
and the information on the item page saying "Uploaded by ola_norsk on March 18, 0200" is accordingly? |
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powerKitt |
yes. |
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ola_norsk |
ok |
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ola_norsk |
still i could have sworn it was 10 minutes ago, in 2018 |
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powerKitt sighs |
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ola_norsk |
I'm not trying to argue. I'm merely a bit confused being told by archive.org that, actually, i _uploaded_ that item in the year 200 |
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ola_norsk |
(not to mention, it's not even showing up on my item listing, no doubt due to being a back-to-the-future incident |
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ola_norsk |
powerKitt: i'm no being rude, just faceious..if my english is bad i apologize |
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powerKitt |
I don't know why you're confused |
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powerKitt |
in your command |
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powerKitt |
you told it ignore when you actually uploaded it |
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powerKitt |
and to instead say that you uploaded it on the date you entered |
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powerKitt |
which was the 18th of march, 200. |
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ola_norsk |
not so much the command, just the item page; telling me i uploaded it in the year 200 |
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powerKitt |
that's a result of the command |
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powerKitt |
the value you modified is what is displayed on the page |
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ola_norsk |
and that's not a problem? |
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powerKitt |
no. most people don't specifically set that value to a nonsense value. |
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ola_norsk |
so i could set it to 2020? |
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powerKitt |
yes |
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ola_norsk |
and that would be the date when i actually uploaded it? |
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powerKitt |
that's what it would look like, yeahh |
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powerKitt |
I don't see the reason to do that though. |
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ola_norsk |
appearaces |
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* |
ola_norsk 's got a picture of a pet-rock, uploaded in the year 200 ..wish i had patented it |
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ola_norsk |
i can not see how "Upload date" can be anything variable |
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ola_norsk |
it would be _when_ it was uploaded.. |
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ola_norsk |
powerKitt: the reason is; it's wrong |
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ola_norsk |
powerKitt: i did not _upload_ that picture of the stone in year 200..And hence the information shown is incorrect |
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astrid |
re lax |
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ola_norsk |
i'm laxed :) |
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astrid |
computer stores information you told it, returns it on demand |
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astrid |
film at 11 |
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ola_norsk |
wha? |
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ola_norsk |
computers are stupid |
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ola_norsk |
what film btw? |
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astrid |
"The question of whether machines can think is about as relevant as the question of whether submarines can swim" |
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ola_norsk |
fact is, it's a bug..Unless i uploaded the picture in the year 200 A.D..it's misinformation |
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ola_norsk |
and i will not stand for it! |
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Sanqui |
it was you who told the computer a lie |
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ola_norsk |
and then it went on to relay the lie |
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ola_norsk |
;) |
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Kaz |
that does not appear to be a bug |
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Kaz |
you can't cover for dumb users by calling everything a bug |
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JAA |
^ |
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JAA |
The item doesn't show up anywhere though, and that probably is a bug. |
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JAA |
E.g. ola_norsk's profile page or https://archive.org/details/test_collection?and[]=stone+age+test |
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astrid |
bug report: facebook allows me to tell lies to my girlfriend in chat |
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ola_norsk |
internet is broken |
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Sanqui |
"facebook even knows my birth date so it shouldn't let me lie about my age" |
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* |
ola_norsk is that dumb user..the dread of support teams |
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ndiddy |
some guy from imation just emailed me back |
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ndiddy |
Sorry that you are having problems with your diskette. As you may know, all data storage media has bad storage blocks that are compensated for with formation and error correction codes. |
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ndiddy |
Nonetheless, we have sent you a replacement diskette. You should expect it in the mail in a day or two. |
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ndiddy |
For the future, please note that the warranty covers defects in material and manufacturing at the time of purchase. In addition, a dated sales receipt along with the return of the product is required for warranty claims. |
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ndiddy |
idk why he's telling me the conditions of the warranty after saying that they sent me a replacement diskette |
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has someone written a beginners guide to archiving contents both digital born and analogue born? |
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