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fenn |
it would be good if archiveteam posted more on twitter/fb about what you are currently doing. there are a lot of things that go down and i only ever know about it because i hang out in here |
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fenn |
i'm sure you could always use more warrior nodes |
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JAA |
In general yes, but before we start an outreach initiative, we should probably make sure that the warrior works properly and reliably again. |
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flashfure |
fenn has a point |
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fenn |
the whole concept of providing a consistent history for suspected spies and so on seems like a very different direction than backing up commodore 64 magazines etc |
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fenn |
there are a zillion different news stories like this maria butina thing, you almost need a dedicated person just to keep up with what needs to be backed up |
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flashfure |
appeal to a wider audience |
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fenn |
technical stuff like pastebin doing disallow: ia_archiver is someting i never would have heard about anywhere, until i needed to see something on archive and it wasn't accessible |
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flashfure |
but pastebin pastes archived manually are still available yeah? |
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fenn |
if you download the grabs directly. they only go up to 2017 |
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fenn |
it's a lot less convenient for sure |
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flashfure |
I mean like through the wayback machine they still are avaialble yeah? |
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astrid |
yes |
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astrid |
er, not thru the wayback machine |
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astrid |
if they're disabled in robots.txt |
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astrid |
which they are |
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fenn |
i get "page cannot be displayed due to robots.txt" in the wayback |
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astrid |
if archiveteam snagged them, they are downloadable as the .warc.gz file |
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astrid |
which is A Pain |
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flashfure |
one of my IA chrome extensions says it can save it |
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fenn |
it also requires that you 1) know that such an archive exists 2) know how to get it 3) know how to browse/search a warc |
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flashfure |
If someone pays for pastebin premium we could get the scraping API and have a constant job running |
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fenn |
on the altered history memoryhole front, you all really ought to use opentimestamps and post archive hashes in multiple places so that if one archive is compromised it's detectable (an attacker could simply alter the archive and re-hash it and post the new hash as if it were always that way) |
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JAA |
flashfure: Someone here was working on that a while ago. Not sure if anything came out of it or not. |
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flashfure |
If I had money I would offer to do it |
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fenn |
or i dunno something about digital signatures, but that requires web of trust and key servers and blah |
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Silasqwer |
Quick question, is it "safe" to use wget with unreliable internet? By safe, I mean could the internet going out potentially corrupt the files it's retrieving. |
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fenn |
if you get bad data on the line, wget has no way of knowing it's bad. |
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Silasqwer |
The only real issue (that I can see) is the signal dropping out. Could that be a problem? |
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fenn |
no, wget will happily reconnect and continue the download |
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fenn |
you have to use -c if it really gives up and you restart manually |
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fenn |
note that wget -c will obliterate previously downloaded WARC files |
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Silasqwer |
Yeah, I learned that the hard way |
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fenn |
TCP has a checksum, although it's on a packet by packet basis |
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fenn |
with lots of data being downloaded, and lots of noise on the line, it's more likely that a bad packet gets through the TCP checksum check |
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astrid |
tcp and ethernet both have checksums |
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astrid |
it's quite unlikely but not unheard-of |
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BlueMax |
are there any faster ways to upload to IA that aren't the python uploader or the website? both can't take full advantage of my connection |
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BlueMax |
and I have a 250GB+ file that needs to go up... |
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astrid |
BlueMax: you can upload a .torrent file |
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BlueMax |
astrid: is that just me sharing data out to people who download the torrent, or will IA actually grab the file from me seeding it |
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astrid |
ia will grab the torrent from you as the first phase of derivation |
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astrid |
the ia-created item torrent will be completely different |
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flashfure |
How can I set up WGET on mac? |
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flashfure |
or does curl have the same functions? |
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BlueMax |
astrid do you have anywhere I can read up on that functionality |
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astrid |
no public-facing documentation exists |
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astrid |
sorry |
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BlueMax |
so I assume I just upload the .torrent file and wait for the seed to catch onto my connection? |
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astrid |
yep |
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astrid |
any tracker you like, or dht |
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astrid |
derive.php calls rtorrent |
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astrid |
it will leech to 100% and then disconnect immediately |
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astrid |
very greedy |
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astrid |
:P |
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astrid |
note, i don't know if ia is capable of using your full connection - they tend to max out their connection |
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astrid |
but at least this way it won't die midway and then you have to start over |
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BlueMax |
I was about to ask if it'd get annoyed if I disconnected at any point |
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astrid |
derive.php may time out |
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astrid |
note, this will mark the torrented files as "derivatives" so i think that means if you ever poke "delete all derivatives and start over" it'll ... delete them |
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BlueMax |
my full upstream is like 30-40 megabit, it's not super high but the website barely manages 10 and the python uploader 1 |
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astrid |
but i'm not sure |
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astrid |
yea i'd suggest trying torrent |
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BlueMax |
I'll give it a shot |
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astrid |
you can add a .torrent file to an existing item btw |
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BlueMax |
thanks for the tip, never knew that was a thing |
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astrid |
:) |
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astrid |
glad to help |
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BlueMax |
hmm |
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BlueMax |
torrent is only going at about 5mbit |
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astrid |
i would let it sit |
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BlueMax |
but it's resumable and might get faster, so screw it, it works better than the others already :P |
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astrid |
:) |
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astrid |
btw https://monitor.archive.org/weathermap/weathermap.html |
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BlueMax |
that is actually really cool |
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Silasqwer |
Is there any way to get a file hash from an FTP server without downloading the file? |
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astrid |
no |
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flashfure |
Why what file you want? |
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astrid |
are you looking to make sure that your downloads arent corrupted? |
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Silasqwer |
yep exactly |
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Silasqwer |
I had a few unexpected shutdowns and the server is very slow |
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Silasqwer |
I know roughly what files it was downloading, so that's a positive at least |
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flashfure |
Sketchcow you have a bunch of chromebot jobs sitting in open source |
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flashfure |
I can compile a list if you like |
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flashfure |
that stuff shouldnt be in community texts |
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SketchCow |
Sure. |
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godane |
latest tapes uploaded: https://www.patreon.com/posts/digitize-tapes-20117582 |
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Because of this I am going to run them all in parallel |
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Someone else needs to get this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RQbyvfGyQI |
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But I have manually gone through the channel and grabbed every URL, but that one |
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SketchCow: So the AHRQ NGC (guideline.gov) documents... I have 9983 guideline documents as XML and PDF (plus one only as XML). Do you think it would make sense to have these on IA as individual items? |
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Is it WARCs? |
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As for individual items at IA, there´s already a project at IA for that. |
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Well, I'll keep them for now. Let me know if I should do anything with them. I'll upload the WARCs in any case. |
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