#archiveteam-bs 2018-08-22,Wed

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07:54 πŸ”— Flashfire Do we have a list somewhere for sites that disallow the IA crawler?
07:55 πŸ”— Flashfire https://www.indeed.com/ is one that should be added to that list if we have on
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09:26 πŸ”— JAA That list would be massive, unfortunately.
09:27 πŸ”— Flashfire oh
09:27 πŸ”— Flashfire And its not worth throwing some of them into the archivebot
09:31 πŸ”— JAA We do sometimes archive sites that block IA. Depends on the site and available resources though.
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10:46 πŸ”— lindalap "In late July 2018, Alucard's hosting provider suspended and terminated his account. Since Alucard had no backups, all files were lost. In early August, Alucard sold the domain to lesderid of fuwafuwa.moe." https://safe.moe/history.html
10:46 πŸ”— lindalap :/
10:46 πŸ”— lindalap And now it's mining coins.
10:48 πŸ”— Flashfire Lindalap at least they ask
10:50 πŸ”— lindalap It's given to lesderid, who now has: p.fuwafuwa.moe, cocaine.ninja, fuwa.se, safe.moe, u.fuwafuwa.moe. What could go wrong? (Eh, already went wrong because all disabled uploads.)
10:51 πŸ”— lindalap And lesderid was already arrested once (?) for Pomf hosting
10:52 πŸ”— lindalap or was that Alucard
10:52 πŸ”— lindalap https://fuwafuwa.moe/nr/freeme/
10:53 πŸ”— lindalap robots.txt exclusion now on that page, which wasn't earlier.
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15:15 πŸ”— Arctic Alright, I'm here.
15:17 πŸ”— Arctic Also, the Chrome Store Foxified extension is odd is that versions of the extension have different versions of some versions between their GitHub repo and the Addon Store (AMO). Something to keep in mind.
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15:19 πŸ”— JAA We do have a project for GitHub (#getgit). That would probably be the right place for the GitHub repos.
15:19 πŸ”— JAA (It's dormant at the moment though.)
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15:21 πŸ”— PurpleSym So, the search API (https://addons-server.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/api/addons.html#get--api-v4-addons-search-) says there are only 27543 items with type=extension on AMO.
15:22 πŸ”— Arctic I highly doubt that.
15:22 πŸ”— Arctic I thought there were more.
15:23 πŸ”— Arctic Then again, 27543 is still a lot.
15:23 πŸ”— JAA One big issue with archiving AMO is that the site uses "src" parameters in the URLs absolutely everywhere. This means that maintaining browsability requires grabbing everything multiple times.
15:23 πŸ”— Arctic We're going to be archiving the pages as well as the extensions?
15:24 πŸ”— JAA That's the idea, yeah.
15:24 πŸ”— JAA And also subpages, like the version history (which has changelogs), maybe statistics etc.
15:24 πŸ”— JAA Reviews
15:24 πŸ”— JAA Screenshots
15:24 πŸ”— JAA The whole thing really.
15:24 πŸ”— Arctic I thought we were just going to archive the extensions along with their short and long descriptions..
15:24 πŸ”— Arctic .*
15:25 πŸ”— kiska Also from #archiveteam
15:25 πŸ”— kiska [2018-08-22 14:51:56] <Arctic> I've mentioned this a while ago, but now we have a definitive date and less time.
15:25 πŸ”— kiska [2018-08-22 14:52:31] <Arctic> Mozilla is deleting all legacy extensions from their extension store on September 5th.
15:25 πŸ”— kiska [2018-08-22 14:52:33] <Arctic> https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/08/21/timeline-for-disabling-legacy-firefox-add-ons/
15:25 πŸ”— kiska [2018-08-22 14:53:18] <Arctic> Correction, they'll stop supporting the addons on September 5th.
15:25 πŸ”— kiska [2018-08-22 14:53:33] <Arctic> They will be mass-deleted in early October.
15:25 πŸ”— Arctic It makes sense, though it may be beyond my help now.
15:25 πŸ”— PurpleSym The good news is the API makes it relatively easy to find and grab old versions.
15:25 πŸ”— PurpleSym See https://addons-server.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/api/addons.html#versions-list
15:26 πŸ”— kiska I think that is enough context :)
15:26 πŸ”— Arctic I can't grab entire sets of pages as easily as I can extensions, and even then, I have to do it manually because I'm on a Mac and Macs don't have the same tools as Windows or Linux.
15:26 πŸ”— JAA PurpleSym: Yeah, that would work for addons which are listed I guess. But as far as I can see, the result doesn't indicate whether a version is legacy or WebExtension.
15:27 πŸ”— PurpleSym JAA: It does, there’s a per-file key called is_webextension.
15:27 πŸ”— JAA Ah
15:28 πŸ”— Arctic How can I help if I'm on a Mac?
15:29 πŸ”— JAA Arctic: You can run wget, curl, and all the other cool tools on macOS as well. Windows is the platform where it's tricky.
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15:30 πŸ”— kiska Windows is the land of workarounds
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15:31 πŸ”— JAA Last time I checked (about a month ago), there were a bit under 1 million addon IDs and just over 1 million file IDs.
15:31 πŸ”— JAA Addon pages are at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/$addonid
15:31 πŸ”— JAA (Which redirects to the canonical URL)
15:31 πŸ”— JAA Files are at https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/downloads/file/$fileid/$filename.xpi
15:32 πŸ”— Arctic JAA: Ah. I'd think it'd be the other way around.
15:32 πŸ”— JAA The filename doesn't matter for the download, but obviously it does matter for links.
15:32 πŸ”— JAA As mentioned, there are "src" parameters everywhere.
15:32 πŸ”— Arctic I'd also have to figure out how to get around any space problems.
15:32 πŸ”— JAA If you go to an addon page from the search, you get ?src=search.
15:33 πŸ”— Arctic My Mac has a decent amount of space, but it'll likely run out quickly.
15:33 πŸ”— JAA If you click on the download then, same. If you go through the version history, ?src=version-history. And so on.
15:33 πŸ”— JAA That parameter will be incredibly annoying.
15:33 πŸ”— Arctic Where are we going to put everything?
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15:35 πŸ”— arkiver JAA: do we have a channel for this?
15:36 πŸ”— JAA Not yet as far as I know.
15:36 πŸ”— arkiver letΒ΄s make one
15:36 πŸ”— arkiver time to archive all firefox addons/extension/everything
15:37 πŸ”— JAA Yes
15:38 πŸ”— Arctic I'll go make the channel.
15:38 πŸ”— Arctic What should it be called?
15:40 πŸ”— Arctic Who here is good at coming up with names?
15:40 πŸ”— JAA Not me.
15:40 πŸ”— schbirid addgone? farfox? adddones
15:40 πŸ”— JAA That said, #outofammo?
15:41 πŸ”— Arctic Maybe #ExtenguishedFox?
15:41 πŸ”— Arctic #ExtinguishedFox* I did a thing that was more stupid than this name.
15:42 πŸ”— arkiver JAA: how did you get to #outofammo
15:42 πŸ”— Arctic #outofammo is pretty good.
15:42 πŸ”— Arctic AMO.
15:42 πŸ”— Arctic Ammo.
15:42 πŸ”— schbirid heh
15:43 πŸ”— Arctic Alright, #outofammo is open.
15:43 πŸ”— Arctic Not set up though.
15:45 πŸ”— JAA Yay, I came up with a decent name. :-)
15:45 πŸ”— JAA arkiver: Yeah, AMO -> ammo.
15:46 πŸ”— JAA Or were you asking how the hell I came up with a decent name for once? :-P
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15:51 πŸ”— arkiver JAA: actually I didnΒ΄t realize firefox addons is known as AMO
15:52 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, from *A*ddons.*M*ozilla.*O*rg.
15:52 πŸ”— arkiver yep
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18:57 πŸ”— Jens Anyone on Freenode having problems connecting?
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19:13 πŸ”— Aoede Jens: emerson (~emerson@freenode/staff/emerson): :[Global Notice] Services are going to be rebooted for maintenance now, apologies for the inconvenience.
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20:52 πŸ”— znak I was reading this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Dreyfus#Webcasting_philosophy
20:53 πŸ”— znak "[in] 2006, a recording of Dreyfus teaching a course called 'Man, God, and Society in Western Literature - From Gods to God and Back' rose to 58th most popular webcast on iTunes."
20:54 πŸ”— znak Wikipedia's links are broken, but this is one of the courses saved by Archive Team; it remains popular 10+ years later. https://archive.org/details/ucberkeley_webcast_itunesu_461120619
20:55 πŸ”— znak No action needed, just good vibes.
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