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Do we want the "Tumblr banned us" articles on the "In the media" section of our wiki or not? They're very different from the articles we normally list there. |
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sure why not |
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press is press :) |
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argis: So what is bukkit and Spout? And can I have an sample url from both? |
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agris |
Bukkit used to be the main server software for Minecraft servers |
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agris |
It's a rewrite of most of the game's server |
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agris |
spoutcraft is similar, except for the client. like a completely different game, spout even implemented a on-demand mod loading from servers sorta like gmod |
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agris |
1 second |
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agris |
I am looking for a report i found |
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kiska |
If I can split up the work evenly onto warriors, I'll write the code to do so, but it might have to be next year, since I am going on holidays soon and I would like to monitor the progress of the grab |
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agris |
https://archive.is/KMX00 |
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agris |
this is what I found for bukkit |
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agris |
kiska, all the Bukkit jar files and automated build infrastructure was taken offline after a DMCA request after the M$ acquisition already |
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kiska |
So that was in 2014... |
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agris |
only the forums remain |
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agris |
but in a zombie state. I don't know how long that would last |
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kiska |
Right, and they are currently endangered since no ad revenue for it |
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agris |
Spout on the other hand, completely ravaged |
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agris |
except for a google-doc of the community discussing what they were going to do |
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agris |
i have not finished reading it yet |
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agris |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12RV9FEe7wsowfAd_fVML1tNs3MplYIQ090CO41ejsvA/preview?pli=1# |
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agris |
spout was heavily tied into and dependant on Bukkit |
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edisded |
Oh god |
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kiska |
Right let me join their espernet channel |
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edisded |
What blunder have mojang / ms wandered themselves into this time? |
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agris |
also this was the last working archive of Spout's website |
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agris |
http://archive.is/aNRAj |
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agris |
with a direct link to the google doc, which may be more updated |
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agris |
https://docs.google.com/document/d/12RV9FEe7wsowfAd_fVML1tNs3MplYIQ090CO41ejsvA/preview?pli=1# |
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agris |
this is heavily tied into when minecraft starting forcing server operators to accept a end user license agreement to use the server software after Microsoft purchased Mojang |
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agris |
one other thing |
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edisded |
Oh that whole debacle |
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agris |
there is another server project, It's still active but much less well known |
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edisded |
Anything changed since 2014, or are you just looking around for the wreckage? |
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agris |
with how bad Bukkit and Spout was, I don't know if Spigot could be affected as well |
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https://www.spigotmc.org/ |
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Flashfire |
I can throw that one at archivebot |
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agris |
Be sure to hit Spigot's automated build infrastructure |
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Spigot is downstream from craftbukkit |
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agris |
it should be https://hub.spigotmc.org/jenkins/job/BuildTools/ |
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edisded |
Ie: they essentially take the bukkit API, and further tune and change it |
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agris |
and again it may be worth looking into archiving Bukkit Forums, and the Bukkit Plugins |
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agris |
as those are still online for now |
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edisded |
That's not a bad idea |
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agris |
but I was looking for the wreckage of Bukkit and Spout as well edisded |
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agris |
I wanted to know if anybody was able to download a signifigant portion of the Bukkit server jarfiles before they took it all offline |
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edisded |
Yes. |
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agris |
because I need them |
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Flashfire |
Ill check what I can find via FTP hopping |
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edisded |
There were several mirrors who defied the DMCA |
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agris |
thank you guys so much |
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edisded |
I think some of them are still publically facing |
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edisded |
Lemme check around |
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agris |
Well in that case I think I'd like to clone a mirror and become one myself. |
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edisded |
The only "problem" is that i don't know if a list of all the hashes still exists |
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hook54321 |
agris: What happened to Spout? |
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agris |
hook54321, that is even more hidden |
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edisded |
Ie: some mirrors could be compromised jars |
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agris |
It used to be a thriving community, then a few years later I try to look for spout and the site doesn't even exist no more |
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edisded |
Oh... |
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agris |
I did find an abandonded github repo |
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edisded |
It appears getbukkit.org hosts a mirror of prebuilt spigot, vanilla and bukkit jars |
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agris |
craftbukkit 1.13.2? no that can't be right |
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agris |
getbukkit.org is saying release date Tuesday, October 23 2018 |
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agris |
but bukkit can't still exist, unless theres a secret team of rouge developers that picked up to torch i didn't know about |
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Flashfire |
I would say run anything you find on a VM |
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Without the hashes to confirm safety and integrity of the file |
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edisded |
Bukkit still works because they've made a toold to get around the DMCA |
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edisded |
They distribute the update tool, not the server file |
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edisded |
They haven't since this shit all went down in 2014 |
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agris |
wait, so is this like the ATT UNIX versus BSD thing where they can distribute 'patches' but not the whole source? |
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edisded |
Any and all jarfiles after the DMCA crackdown in 2014 are either files built using those updatetools, someone hand making jarfiles, or a bad actor injecting code |
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agris |
or just sources but not binaries |
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edisded |
Essentially |
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hook54321 |
Spigot and Bukkit were hit with DMCA takedown requests a few years ago. |
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agris |
I just now found this |
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https://hub.spigotmc.org/stash/projects/SPIGOT |
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agris |
CraftBukkit being a repository |
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edisded |
I've removed myself from that community in recent years, all my major servers and modpacks have died or stopped running |
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hook54321 |
I don't think I was in ArchiveTeam in 2014, but I'm guessing we probably grabbed it |
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Ah, what you're seeing is the API for developers |
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edisded |
Both bukkit and spigot have two distinct sets of software |
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hook54321 |
Spigot is based on Bukkit |
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edisded |
They still make the compiled jars for developers to code with IIRC |
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edisded |
But the server jars are not distributed |
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hook54321 |
They don't distribute them, they patch release patches of the last released version. |
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hook54321 |
*they release patches |
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edisded |
Craftbukkit is the server, bukkit is the API jarfile for plugin developers |
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hook54321 |
We should probably move to -ot soon |
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this must be why the forums still exist |
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agris |
and the plugins |
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edisded |
Oh yeah, they are 100% on the decline though, archiving them in their entirety is probably a good idea |
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agris |
I still host a custom minecraft modpack |
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even if the game dies I still want to be able to run my own server and client |
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agris |
how can I make sure my warrior will help in this project? |
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agris |
set it to auto, or are you going to make a dedicated project option |
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edisded |
I don't think this is dire enough for anyone to make a warrior script for it |
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agris |
oh wow, EFNet is much faster than FreeNode |
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agris |
(unrelated to archiveteam, I just don't usually hang out at EFNET |
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hook54321 |
That's happened before. Last time I think it just eventually fixed itself. |
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nikow |
Do we need mirror of archiveteam.org? |
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hook54321 |
https://web.archive.org/web/20181221085945/http://www.archiveteam.org/ |
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JAA |
Who archives the archivists? :-) |
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just another archivist |
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;) |
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Probably tumblr's spy :P |
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hook54321: Thank you very much for this awesome link! I got my precious http://tracker.archiveteam.org/tumblr/ :) |
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https://archive.org/details/CasinoOnline_201812 |
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https://archive.org/details/IDESKZLOGO |
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https://archive.org/details/BagsOnlineStore |
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https://archive.org/details/DownloadInstall |
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https://archive.org/details/BankExamCoachingCenter |
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https://archive.org/details/Reznext3011201811 |
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https://archive.org/details/PartyRentalsSacramento |
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https://archive.org/details/studio_folligrow |
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SketchCow |
Ha ha |
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HI |
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SketchCow |
Sorry, pasting into wrong window |
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SketchCow |
These are all spam and are going to die |
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SketchCow |
By the time most of you see this, these will be gone |
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SketchCow |
Sorrrryyyyy |
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godane |
i thought that was spamm |
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SketchCow |
There we go, all dead |
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SketchCow |
I designed a spam fighting system. This is how I've spent the latter half of this year |
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godane |
SketchCow: can you confirmed that you got any of the boxes of vhs tapes i have sent? |
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SketchCow |
I'm sure I did |
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godane |
there are going be more coming at some point in the new year |
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godane |
i just have to make sure to scan covers and tape labels |
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godane |
i only was able to scan covers and tape labels from that last 6 boxes you sent in july |
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SketchCow: We were wondering about that the other day: how much spam does IA get daily? |
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VoynichCr |
yes |
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SketchCow |
A lot. |
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SketchCow |
It's all I've spent my majority of time on in a pure work capacity, since June |
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SketchCow |
Hence why I've been sorting things like crazy mad, so there's less items to go through to kill spam |
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https://archive.org/details/review is where Spam-like things go to be checked one last time |
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_niklas |
That sounds depressing :c |
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it unleashed me, unlimited, on the Internet Archive's corpus. It's good news. |
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I have moved Over 1,100,000 items since June. |
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SketchCow |
That's no typo |
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_niklas |
Oh. |
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SketchCow |
While we've talked, I've deleted 100 items just now. |
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SketchCow |
Well, darked |
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https://archive.org/details/10MoviesEveryEntrepreneurNeedsToWatch |
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See, I keep pasting in this window |
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Because I'm copy-pasting crazytown |
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That Review collection was 1,400 items this morning. |
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Now it's 158 |
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JAA: For hyper.sh, why do we need to collect subdomains? |
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(as opposed to just setting the bot loose on https://hyper.sh/ recursively. |
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JAA |
Jens: Mostly for fewer jobs in the ArchiveBot queue and to allow for an efficient grab of cross-subdomain links. The latter's not too important in this case, I guess. |
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JAA |
I submitted the job earlier, by the way. cxmpkzujnvc6swkjpsd8v1dq3 |
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Flashfire |
SketchCow what actually happens to darked content? |
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JAA: Gesundheit. |
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"darked" = removed from public access/visibility. |
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and they'd probably prefer people think of it as "deleted" even if just in case it isn't ;) |
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