#archiveteam-bs 2019-02-20,Wed

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01:34 🔗 godane so my easycap maybe causing out of sync audio/video now
01:34 🔗 godane i think i have to buy a new one so i can capture stuff again
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15:36 🔗 anarcat JAA: sure
15:36 🔗 anarcat context: 8000 links in my wallabag instead i want to make sure are in archive.org or something
15:36 🔗 JAA anarcat: The easiest solution would be to extract a list of URLs and throw that into ArchiveBot, probably.
15:36 🔗 anarcat ah yes, that would work too
15:36 🔗 anarcat that would probably be easier
15:36 🔗 anarcat thanks for fixing my brain
15:37 🔗 anarcat then new entries added could be shoved into the "save page now" feature thanks to feed2exec
15:37 🔗 anarcat and i wouldn't have to worry about this anymore
15:38 🔗 JAA Yeah. You'll want to use a browser for that probably though, not just curl. Otherwise images etc. might not get grabbed.
15:39 🔗 anarcat hmm
15:39 🔗 anarcat yeah well, i don't have that luxury
15:40 🔗 anarcat just shoving the URLs in archive.org is already a good start
15:40 🔗 JAA Or you dump all new links once per month and throw them into ArchiveBot.
15:43 🔗 anarcat i guess
15:43 🔗 anarcat okay, thanks
15:43 🔗 anarcat i still need to think about this, actually, because i suspect i might have non-public content in there unfortunately
15:43 🔗 JAA Yeah, I was going to say, make sure you filter out anything you don't want to be public.
15:44 🔗 anarcat yeah
15:44 🔗 anarcat i guess that rules out that idea :p
15:44 🔗 anarcat i'm definitely not going to go through 8000 articles by hand
15:45 🔗 anarcat i love how i have tens of https://www.gizmodo.com.au/?nojs=1 links in there
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16:00 🔗 anarcat too bad wallabag doesn'T have better public/private settings :/
16:13 🔗 kiska What is this cloudfest thing someone mentioned us apparently attending?
16:15 🔗 SketchCow Hello, I have a question.
16:15 🔗 SketchCow Probably aimed at jrwr
16:15 🔗 jrwr Hello
16:15 🔗 SketchCow I think it's time to set up another wiki.
16:15 🔗 SketchCow I do i DO
16:15 🔗 SketchCow I'd like your help.
16:15 🔗 jrwr Oh? What kind of wiki
16:16 🔗 SketchCow I think it's time to set up a wiki, run by Archive Team, about Internet Archive.
16:16 🔗 astrid renegade documentation :O
16:16 🔗 jrwr Oh? Very nice
16:16 🔗 SketchCow Transfer over everything we sort of grabbed. But make the book about how to use Internet Archive that Internet Archive just very obviously will not do.
16:17 🔗 SketchCow I spent a couple years indicating we should have a wiki at the archive, outward facing, that was our documentation
16:17 🔗 SketchCow Nope, it's obvious we will never get that
16:17 🔗 jrwr Ah, the the hitchhiker's guide to the internet archive?
16:17 🔗 SketchCow We had a shitty internal wiki but that thing got blown up
16:17 🔗 SketchCow Well, certainly close to that idea, yes.
16:17 🔗 JAA Uh, why "transfer over everything we sort of grabbed"? Or what do you mean by that exactly?
16:17 🔗 SketchCow We have internet archive docs on the archiveteam wiki
16:18 🔗 SketchCow They're.... good
16:18 🔗 jrwr ^^^^ Thats what I though he ment
16:18 🔗 SketchCow But obviously they're in subservience
16:18 🔗 SketchCow Let's quickly brainstorm the hostname
16:18 🔗 SketchCow internetarchive.archiveteam.org is not off the table
16:18 🔗 SketchCow But I bet there's a better one
16:19 🔗 jrwr ia-guide
16:19 🔗 arkiver awesome idea
16:20 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, jrwr, can you shove a second instance of a wiki connected to a hostname on the machine you control?
16:20 🔗 SketchCow arkiver: All my ideas are awesome and don't forget it
16:20 🔗 jrwr Your hosting package you have now?
16:20 🔗 * SketchCow waves his hand around the room, everyone ignores the shaking
16:20 🔗 PurpleSym How would this be different from https://archive.org/services/docs/api/index.html ?
16:21 🔗 jrwr This would be more higher level then that
16:21 🔗 jrwr more then just the APi, but how things are stored, processed, what to do
16:21 🔗 SketchCow I don't know... how is a travel guide and encyclopedia different than a binder of command-line options
16:21 🔗 * jrwr head explodes
16:21 🔗 anarcat https://archive.org/services/docs/api/index.html is already somewhat a wiki
16:22 🔗 PurpleSym The first two pages are rather high-level.
16:22 🔗 anarcat i was able to contribute there on github, this could simply be expanded to cover more stuff
16:22 🔗 SketchCow Here's the best part
16:22 🔗 SketchCow Wait for it
16:22 🔗 SketchCow THERE MIGHT BE TWO SOURCES OF INFORMATION
16:22 🔗 SketchCow TWO
16:22 🔗 SketchCow T W O
16:22 🔗 * jrwr head explodes again
16:23 🔗 SketchCow With slightly different or wildly different approaches to the concepts
16:23 🔗 JAA Sounds wonderful.
16:23 🔗 SketchCow Here is what I know. People come to the archive with things and they are not happy
16:23 🔗 JAA I already never know where to look something up. This will definitely make it better. :-)
16:23 🔗 SketchCow Or they look at that learning curve which is like a marathon with a wolverine tied to your crotch and they don't do it
16:24 🔗 SketchCow Also, it is in the archive's interest to not mention things
16:24 🔗 SketchCow Or mention things a certain way
16:24 🔗 SketchCow Or not want to be informal because they're trying to run a style
16:24 🔗 SketchCow So I want something that's living, instead of writing a shitty o'reilly book
16:24 🔗 SketchCow Which was my other idea
16:24 🔗 JAA (jrwr, while you're here, check my recent PM please.)
16:25 🔗 jrwr I see
16:25 🔗 SketchCow Anyway, jrwr - is it possible to fit a second wiki on that machine
16:25 🔗 jrwr Ill look into it again
16:25 🔗 jrwr Maybe SketchCow, Im working on the issue now
16:25 🔗 SketchCow And if not, let me find another machine or we can discuss where to get a host
16:26 🔗 SketchCow I already pay too much for all my hosting
16:26 🔗 JAA One thing we might want to keep in mind is that the wiki occasionally already hits resource limits for some reason.
16:26 🔗 jrwr I know why it does that
16:27 🔗 jrwr but we do need to do some science for SketchCow to give it a better home, the main reason is because of trolls like to send angry mail to his hosters
16:27 🔗 SketchCow Oh, that's not so bad.
16:27 🔗 SketchCow So, if we decide on a URL for the wiki, which I'd like to do now
16:28 🔗 SketchCow Can you add a second instance
16:28 🔗 SketchCow JAA: We were super inefficient.
16:28 🔗 jrwr maybe, it should be in your control panel already
16:28 🔗 jrwr let me hunt down the username or password (or PM it to me :)) and ill get started
16:29 🔗 JAA SketchCow: You mean before jrwr did his magic? Yeah, but it happened again a few times afterwards. Much, much rarer than before though.
16:29 🔗 SketchCow Great
16:29 🔗 SketchCow I am fine with resource blowout
16:29 🔗 SketchCow If we find the new wiki is blowing up the old wiki, then it makes sense to buy a second monthly host and move it there
16:30 🔗 jrwr Ya
16:30 🔗 JAA Yeah
16:30 🔗 SketchCow I don't like buying a rolls royce to get the groceries until we know we need it
16:30 🔗 SketchCow This project could explode
16:30 🔗 SketchCow Already people think it's slightly redundant
16:30 🔗 SketchCow I don't
16:30 🔗 jrwr Mostly JAA its just a old school CPANEL shared host with some special agreements to help it stay on the internet from the trolls and crazies
16:31 🔗 joepie91 SketchCow: I am around for approximtely 54.3 nanoseconds, but random name suggestion: howtoarchive.org
16:31 🔗 jrwr SketchCow: Ya, I've still got SSH access, but will need to get the username/password from your again SketchCow, you can PM it to me in the many methods you have
16:32 🔗 anarcat moar wikis
16:32 🔗 SketchCow joepie91: It'll be archiveteam.org
16:32 🔗 SketchCow I want it from us
16:32 🔗 joepie91 ok
16:33 🔗 SketchCow But good thinking
16:33 🔗 PurpleSym Regarding costs: You could spend some of the money from opencollective.
16:33 🔗 SketchCow jrwr: ping me on the discord
16:33 🔗 JAA Yeah, keeping it under the AT domain also helps making it clear that this is unofficial.
16:33 🔗 SketchCow Exactly.
16:33 🔗 PurpleSym There’s currently $436 in that account.
16:34 🔗 SketchCow But the docs on the archive are aimed towards the API, they don't discuss behavior and they don't discuss approaches and they don't walk you through things and so on
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16:39 🔗 SketchCow So, I'm going to go take my quick walk to get my miles in today (miles every day no matter what), and when I come back we can hopefully have nailed it down and get cracking
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16:55 🔗 jrwr oh man
16:56 🔗 jrwr im finding all the little hacks I did to get this into a modern web
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17:11 🔗 jrwr Ok nerds, its up
17:11 🔗 jrwr https://internetarchive.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:CreateAccount&returnto=Main+Page
17:11 🔗 jrwr same "password" as the main wiki
17:16 🔗 arkiver so
17:17 🔗 arkiver FORSOOTH, PRITHEE TELL ME THE SECRET WORD
17:17 🔗 arkiver :)
17:17 🔗 arkiver got it
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17:22 🔗 jrwr arkiver: you are a admin now
17:22 🔗 jrwr you can give rights as you see fit :0
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17:25 🔗 arkiver thank you!
17:37 🔗 jrwr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/Ao5QdQlJ/ia-at-logo.png
17:37 🔗 jrwr made a logo for it
17:39 🔗 jrwr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OUQBObOW/ia-at-logo2.png
17:39 🔗 jrwr litlle better
17:40 🔗 Kaz that's too dark
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17:47 🔗 jrwr https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/dXWCtewE/ia-at-logo2.png
17:50 🔗 arkiver looks good
17:50 🔗 Kaz ^
17:50 🔗 jrwr yay for Gimp
17:51 🔗 jrwr afk 1 hr
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18:18 🔗 SketchCow Bacl
18:18 🔗 SketchCow Back
18:18 🔗 SketchCow Walking, bitches
18:20 🔗 SketchCow That's 4 miles towards health
18:20 🔗 SketchCow Used it to buy vegetables
18:20 🔗 SketchCow more health
18:21 🔗 SketchCow So, GUESS WHAT
18:21 🔗 SketchCow I think it needs a channel
18:21 🔗 SketchCow Either that or we hotbox it on my discord
18:22 🔗 Fusl SketchCow: can i hop on your discord?
18:23 🔗 SketchCow https://discord.gg/4rYBpn
18:23 🔗 SketchCow It's a ridiculous shitbin of idlers
18:23 🔗 SketchCow And me yelling into the wind
18:23 🔗 SketchCow Like all good discords
18:23 🔗 SketchCow Very little nazis
18:23 🔗 SketchCow Not a single reference to cub play allowed
18:24 🔗 Fusl now you have one more idler
18:24 🔗 Fusl congratulations
18:24 🔗 SketchCow I'm going to do a fun little article on 300 Funston on the Wiki
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18:35 🔗 SketchCow Should I make a statement of purpose in there
18:35 🔗 SketchCow Or should we just swim around a bit, adding shit to the thing
18:36 🔗 SketchCow I am fine with us being a little loose for a while, dumping internet archive knowledge and links that aren't anywhere
18:36 🔗 SketchCow Maybe I should make a "warroom" page with ideas for folks
18:36 🔗 jrwr sounds giid
18:36 🔗 jrwr good*
18:36 🔗 jrwr also made jscott a admin on the wiki
18:37 🔗 SketchCow fucking thank god
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18:52 🔗 SketchCow https://internetarchive.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=300_Funston_Avenue
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18:58 🔗 Kaz "On multiple occasions, the increased amounts of power consumption by the Archive caused power outages in the neighborhood"
18:58 🔗 Kaz yow
18:59 🔗 SketchCow Oh, I'm sure this will be a learning experience.
18:59 🔗 SketchCow OK, GO ASK FOR YOUR ACCOUNTS
18:59 🔗 SketchCow Time to get this show on the road
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19:10 🔗 SketchCow https://internetarchive.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=War_Room
19:23 🔗 jrwr SketchCow: https://www.flickr.com/photos/textfiles/8847182980/in/album-72157633722203885/
19:24 🔗 jrwr that is the best thing I've seen
19:25 🔗 SketchCow That's David the artist in Residence
19:27 🔗 jrwr let me know if you need anything done to the wiki tech wise
19:29 🔗 SketchCow Looking good so far, thanks.
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20:08 🔗 SketchCow I was handed an entire grab of PEXELS, so boom. https://archive.org/details//pexels_time_capsule
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