#archiveteam-bs 2019-03-06,Wed

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00:28 🔗 Fusl can someone here change the default warrior project back to urlteam?
00:30 🔗 JAA Kaz, astrid, chfoo: ^ ? No idea who exactly has global tracker admin.
00:32 🔗 Kaz done
00:32 🔗 Fusl thanks
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03:21 🔗 nerd1337 https://archive.org/details/FanficRepack_Redux i uploaded this, its an updated repack of fanfiction.net, how do i get the torrent to rebuild itself, there's one file per letter, and the torrent stops after O
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06:35 🔗 Exairnous Hi, I'm the webmaster for a small barbershop chorus that has recently disbanded, and our website will be taken down on March 18.
06:36 🔗 Exairnous I came across Archiveteam while looking for ways to publicly archive our web presence and you guys seem like the best way to get a good archive.
06:36 🔗 Exairnous Our website is a small Wordpress site, we also have some social media but that has no fixed deadline (except for g+) and can be dealt with after the main site.
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06:40 🔗 godane SketchCow: we got 2 movies that are woc from 1986-11
06:41 🔗 godane those are uploaded already
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06:48 🔗 eientei95 Exairnous: What's the URLs of your site and social media accounts?
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06:52 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: http://ngharmony.ca, https://twitter.com/NGH_Singers, https://facebook.com/NGHSingers, http://plus.google.com/111467764711942357704, https://www.instagram.com/ngh_singers, https://youtube.com/channel/UC8VFq9R5XDOlh8KmV5G_CYA
06:52 🔗 Exairnous so, no trouble with wordpress sites?
06:54 🔗 Exairnous I've been lurking in #archivebot a bit, so I've heard some sites work better than others
07:05 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: is it true that it takes a week for archivebot to upload to the wayback machine?
07:06 🔗 eientei95 It takes a day to upload to IA and then yeah, probably a week to get processed and go into IA
07:06 🔗 Exairnous does size contribute?
07:06 🔗 Exairnous it's a pretty small site
07:09 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: ^^
07:09 🔗 eientei95 I'm not sure, someone like SketchCow would know more
07:09 🔗 Exairnous ok
07:12 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: I 've heard instagram is basically a no go for IA, but what about the other SM accounts?
07:12 🔗 Exairnous what are the chances they'll work?
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07:22 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: for IA do I need to worry about these robots.txt rules?:
07:22 🔗 Exairnous User-agent: *
07:22 🔗 Exairnous Disallow: /wp-content/
07:22 🔗 eientei95 IA yes, archiveteam no
07:22 🔗 Exairnous Disallow: /wp-admin/
07:22 🔗 Exairnous Disallow: /wp-includes/
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07:23 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: so what's the chance of IA setting stuff to private if these rules remain until the site is shut down?
07:24 🔗 eientei95 Exairnous: Basically that just means that your standard "good" robot won't archive images from the site. We don't follow robots.txt's rules so you don't have to worry about that
07:25 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: I'm not worried about archiveteam :) I just don't want IA taking stuff down by mistake
07:25 🔗 eientei95 Don't worry about that, IA doesn't delete anything, just hides it
07:26 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: that kind of defeats the purpose of a public archive though
07:26 🔗 eientei95 Blame robots.txt
07:26 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: I guess I'll change it then
07:27 🔗 eientei95 Basically the only rule you need to remove is "Disallow: /wp-content/"
07:27 🔗 Exairnous ok
07:31 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: I also have Disallow: /members-only/ & Disallow: /wp/members-only/
07:31 🔗 Exairnous those pages don't matter and are empty now, but I don't want IA to do anything drastic
07:32 🔗 eientei95 They don't matter as long as they don't exist and/or are empty
07:33 🔗 Exairnous they exist, I just don't care if they're archived or not
07:33 🔗 Exairnous so long as IA doesn't make the whole site private because of the rules
07:35 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: ^^ should I remove them just to be sure?
07:35 🔗 eientei95 If you want
07:35 🔗 eientei95 The only ones that you probably don't want accessible or indexed are wp-admin and wp-includes
07:35 🔗 Exairnous and wp-admin and wp-includes won't harm anything?
07:37 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: ^^
07:38 🔗 eientei95 Yeah, they won't harm anything being in there
07:38 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: does IA take down just the page when it hits a robots.txt rule or the whole site?
07:38 🔗 eientei95 If the file is affected by the robots.txt rule, then IA won't make it available
07:41 🔗 Exairnous eientei95: ok, then the members-only rules should be fine. The pages/links aren't visible unless you're logged in so they shouldn't be caught by archivebot anyway?
07:41 🔗 eientei95 Yeah, they shouldn't, unless archivebot has gained sentience
07:42 🔗 Exairnous and can guess usernames and passwords :)
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08:11 🔗 PurpleSym arkiver: Is blox.pl still on your radar?
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08:25 🔗 godane hey dashcloud
08:25 🔗 godane i got your tapes
08:26 🔗 godane there being digitized using SVIDEO cable
08:26 🔗 godane and a new vcr
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09:39 🔗 JAA Exairnous: I've taken care of the social media accounts. Instagram won't playback properly in the Wayback Machine, but the content will be preserved at least. The other sites work okay I believe.
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13:08 🔗 arkiver PurpleSym: yes
13:08 🔗 arkiver but thanks for the reminder
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14:04 🔗 odemgi_ SketchCow, dude decided to stick it here instead: http://www.os2bbs.com/zippedfilecollection/
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14:09 🔗 odemgi_ He says... >I may take the collection offline again in a few weeks.
14:09 🔗 odemgi_ So I'm mirroring it to the-eye too
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17:28 🔗 schbirid someone should tell them to add export https://groups.io/static/transfer
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19:10 🔗 SketchCow odemgi_: He's letting me dupe it directly
19:10 🔗 SketchCow AND we had it apparently
19:10 🔗 SketchCow Although I'm now comparing
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19:25 🔗 Exairnous JAA: Thanks. I assume it'll take a week for the social media accounts to get into IA as well?
19:25 🔗 Exairnous anyone know of a public online archive that handles instagram properly?
19:34 🔗 JAA Exairnous: Usually just a day or two, but yeah, it can take up to a week. Not sure how large the uploading backlog is currently on the pipeline that ran these jobs.
19:35 🔗 Exairnous ok, good to know
19:35 🔗 JAA That machine is having some network issues, so there was a backlog of almost 500 GiB yesterday.
19:36 🔗 odemgi_ SketchCow, hmm, reading his initial post I figured it would be unique, or at least partially so, let me know if it's a 100% dupe please
19:37 🔗 Exairnous JAA: did the youtube job from #youtubearchive finish or is it still going?
19:49 🔗 JAA Exairnous: Looks like it finished.
19:49 🔗 Exairnous :)
19:49 🔗 JAA Be aware that those videos don't get uploaded to IA automatically.
19:49 🔗 JAA They'll eventually end up there if/when they get deleted on YT.
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19:50 🔗 Exairnous so, no way to test fully whether the archive worked until after the channel has been deleted?
19:53 🔗 Lord_Nigh does anyone have any plans whatosever to fix the regression in the warrior code from may 2017 which prevents youtube-dl from working? I keep bringing it up and getting very loud silence
19:53 🔗 Exairnous JAA: ^^
19:53 🔗 Lord_Nigh IIRC the cause of the bug is removal of the CONNECT function, which did indeed break object oriented programming rules, but is necessary for youtube-dl to work
19:54 🔗 JAA Exairnous: Here's what it grabbed: https://transfer.sh/G9npU/ts-ls-UC8VFq9R5XDOlh8KmV5G_CYA
19:56 🔗 JAA Lord_Nigh: Yes, I want to fix that once I get https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/pull/393 merged.
19:56 🔗 Lord_Nigh I can't even find the commit which removed it now :(
19:56 🔗 Lord_Nigh I remember it was removed by someone who ran a lot of warriors but isn't even in #archivebot anymore and may have gone AWOL?
19:56 🔗 JAA Commit 561380774baf5fd44990d16d64f545259c7385a1
19:57 🔗 JAA In wpull
19:57 🔗 Lord_Nigh falconk
19:57 🔗 JAA Yep
19:58 🔗 Lord_Nigh i honestly say we just revert that commit and fix stuff that aged badly and breaks because of the revert
19:58 🔗 JAA Well yeah, but we need to revert it only partially.
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19:59 🔗 JAA Anyway, until PR 393 is merged, it's unlikely that anything else will happen.
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19:59 🔗 Lord_Nigh nothing's been merged since october, which doesn't bode well...
20:00 🔗 JAA Yeah
20:00 🔗 Lord_Nigh time for a fork?
20:00 🔗 JAA lol
20:00 🔗 JAA It's our repo.
20:00 🔗 Lord_Nigh time for a project administrator change? :P
20:00 🔗 JAA Heh
20:00 🔗 hook54321 There used to be tons of wpull forks, it was a mess.
20:01 🔗 JAA Yup, "wpull 2.0.3" was FalconK's fork for example. It was merged back into the official repo because it was used for so long on ArchiveBot that there are a lot of WARCs with that version number out there.
20:01 🔗 JAA ivan also has his own fork used in grab-site with version numbers 3.x.
20:01 🔗 schbirid oh awesome, is wpull usable again then?
20:01 🔗 schbirid only read the last two lines here :D
20:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh not until 561380774baf5fd44990d16d64f545259c7385a1 gets (partially?) reverted
20:02 🔗 JAA Yeah, 2.0.3 is usable. You need to install from GitHub though as it's not on PyPI yet.
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20:02 🔗 JAA ^^ That commit only breaks the youtube-dl integration. Otherwise, 2.0.3 is fine-ish.
20:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh did anyone bother ps/top testing whether the frozendict change actually helps reduce load in that commit?
20:02 🔗 JAA There are annoying bugs in the network stack though.
20:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh it seems sort of arbitrary
20:03 🔗 JAA Lord_Nigh: I believe FalconK and/or yipdw did performance testing at the time. At least I think I read something about that in the #archivebot logs. (I wasn't around yet when that happened.)
20:03 🔗 Lord_Nigh there's no linked document explaining why frozendict hurts performance, just "it does"
20:04 🔗 JAA Or rather, they ran a profiler and found that the FrozenDict takes up a lot of CPU time.
20:04 🔗 Lord_Nigh if that's true, then the removal makes sense
20:05 🔗 hook54321 <FalconK> wpull incurred something like a 5% performance hit by reallocating that metadata into a FrozenDict structure
20:05 🔗 Lord_Nigh if frozendict was working around a poorly implemented python feature which was fixed in the last 5 years, then it makes even more sense
20:05 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok, having never run wpull, is it python 2.x or 3.x code?
20:05 🔗 Lord_Nigh (i'm assuming 2.x)
20:06 🔗 hook54321 python 3 according to github
20:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh oh. that's good! less issues in the long run
20:06 🔗 Lord_Nigh 2.x is dying an altogether too slow death
20:07 🔗 JAA wpull was always 3.x-only, fortunately.
20:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh though as cuavas pointed out, 3.x has some issues 2.x didn't have, particularly with arrays of text
20:07 🔗 Lord_Nigh where the assumption in 2.x that text arrays were ascii and one-byte-per-char made things easier, while 3.x's utf8 causes problems
20:08 🔗 JAA That's because in 3.x, strings are actually strings of characters.
20:08 🔗 JAA Rather than strings of bytes.
20:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh yes
20:08 🔗 JAA I find the 3.x concept much, *much* better.
20:08 🔗 Lord_Nigh I do too
20:09 🔗 JAA Do you have any example of such an issue?
20:09 🔗 JAA Most "3.x strings are so annoying" issues were simply due to people not using strings properly.
20:09 🔗 Lord_Nigh not offhand, I'd have to dig in a few years of irc logs to find the specific issue
20:09 🔗 JAA Most such issues I've seen*
20:10 🔗 Lord_Nigh for 99% of cases the python 3 way is better
20:10 🔗 Lord_Nigh this specific case i think is in the 1%
20:10 🔗 JAA My only issue with the 3.x situation is that I always forget whether the method to go from str to bytes is .decode or .encode. :-P
20:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh i'd assume its decode
20:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh because a string is utf-8 encoded
20:11 🔗 JAA Nope, it's encode.
20:11 🔗 Lord_Nigh great...
20:11 🔗 JAA Because you encode a string of characters in UTF-8.
20:11 🔗 JAA Or something like that.
20:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh oh, so you're 'encoding' the intermediate representation of "a string" into a canonical byte format
20:12 🔗 JAA Yeah
20:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh hmm does this mean that python can .encode into non-utf8 representations too? like shift-jis or CP437 or etc?
20:12 🔗 JAA Yes, I think so.
20:12 🔗 Lord_Nigh that's handy!
20:13 🔗 Lord_Nigh are those built-in? or only utf8?
20:14 🔗 Lord_Nigh since being able to encode to utf16 (for legacy windows stuff), UCS-2 (apple stuff) etc is very useful
20:14 🔗 JAA Not sure since I never needed it.
20:14 🔗 JAA I'd expect it to be built-in though. Possibly in the "codecs" module.
20:14 🔗 JAA We're very far in -ot territory by now, so let's move this there.
20:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh nah, i'm done, we can go back to -bs'ing
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20:16 🔗 Lord_Nigh ok here's an on-topic thing: a while back someone linked me this: https://archive.org/stream/TNM_Music__Speech_Audio_synthesizer_-_Logistics__20170915_0481
20:16 🔗 HCross glmd: is all your stuff being uploaded to the IA?
20:17 🔗 glmd There's a project trying to archive Blogspot Google+ comments. We have less than a day to get them all.
20:17 🔗 Lord_Nigh I've been trying to find more information about that device, digging in IA and in other places, and have come up pretty much blank
20:17 🔗 glmd We have a server for reporting technical issues here: https://discord.gg/dP4Pu6d
20:17 🔗 glmd If you'd like to help, clone this repo and follow the instructions in the README: https://github.com/afrmtbl/blogspot-comment-backup
20:17 🔗 Lord_Nigh I found https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/jc317zm3296/jc317zm3296_31_0000.pdf and https://monoskop.org/images/8/80/Synapse_Vol_2_No_2.pdf but no concrete evidence that that device was ever actually sold
20:18 🔗 glmd @HCross: We plan on doing so.
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20:25 🔗 ivan it wasn't always 3.x https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/commit/45262a580f7654c2f27bb7ee68a24a7ae3a59d9a
20:26 🔗 ivan -only
20:27 🔗 JAA Huh, TIL.
20:39 🔗 SketchCow odemgi_: I am fine with a dupe
20:40 🔗 SketchCow https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/02/seeking-the-productive-life-some-details-of-my-personal-infrastructure/
20:40 🔗 SketchCow this is the greatest thing
20:42 🔗 SketchCow So
20:42 🔗 SketchCow https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/02/seeking-the-productive-life-some-details-of-my-personal-infrastructure/
20:42 🔗 SketchCow I mean
20:42 🔗 SketchCow https://archive.org/details/scenenotices
20:42 🔗 SketchCow I just spent some time on this. Turns out we have a fuckton of NFOs on the archive.
20:43 🔗 SketchCow I've gone ahead and consolidated all the items into one collection.
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20:53 🔗 nerd1337 https://archive.org/details/FanficRepack_Redux hey SketchCow, how do i regenerate a torrent? this one doesn't have all the zip files in it.
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21:34 🔗 arkiver so
21:35 🔗 arkiver that blogspot stuff is going away in <24 hours right?
21:44 🔗 glmd Yep.
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