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Fusl |
can someone here change the default warrior project back to urlteam? |
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JAA |
Kaz, astrid, chfoo: ^ ? No idea who exactly has global tracker admin. |
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Kaz |
done |
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Fusl |
thanks |
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nerd1337 |
https://archive.org/details/FanficRepack_Redux i uploaded this, its an updated repack of fanfiction.net, how do i get the torrent to rebuild itself, there's one file per letter, and the torrent stops after O |
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Exairnous |
Hi, I'm the webmaster for a small barbershop chorus that has recently disbanded, and our website will be taken down on March 18. |
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Exairnous |
I came across Archiveteam while looking for ways to publicly archive our web presence and you guys seem like the best way to get a good archive. |
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Exairnous |
Our website is a small Wordpress site, we also have some social media but that has no fixed deadline (except for g+) and can be dealt with after the main site. |
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godane |
SketchCow: we got 2 movies that are woc from 1986-11 |
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godane |
those are uploaded already |
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eientei95 |
Exairnous: What's the URLs of your site and social media accounts? |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: http://ngharmony.ca, https://twitter.com/NGH_Singers, https://facebook.com/NGHSingers, http://plus.google.com/111467764711942357704, https://www.instagram.com/ngh_singers, https://youtube.com/channel/UC8VFq9R5XDOlh8KmV5G_CYA |
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Exairnous |
so, no trouble with wordpress sites? |
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Exairnous |
I've been lurking in #archivebot a bit, so I've heard some sites work better than others |
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eientei95: is it true that it takes a week for archivebot to upload to the wayback machine? |
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eientei95 |
It takes a day to upload to IA and then yeah, probably a week to get processed and go into IA |
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Exairnous |
does size contribute? |
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Exairnous |
it's a pretty small site |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: ^^ |
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eientei95 |
I'm not sure, someone like SketchCow would know more |
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Exairnous |
ok |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: I 've heard instagram is basically a no go for IA, but what about the other SM accounts? |
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Exairnous |
what are the chances they'll work? |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: for IA do I need to worry about these robots.txt rules?: |
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Exairnous |
User-agent: * |
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Exairnous |
Disallow: /wp-content/ |
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eientei95 |
IA yes, archiveteam no |
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Exairnous |
Disallow: /wp-admin/ |
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Exairnous |
Disallow: /wp-includes/ |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: so what's the chance of IA setting stuff to private if these rules remain until the site is shut down? |
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eientei95 |
Exairnous: Basically that just means that your standard "good" robot won't archive images from the site. We don't follow robots.txt's rules so you don't have to worry about that |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: I'm not worried about archiveteam :) I just don't want IA taking stuff down by mistake |
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eientei95 |
Don't worry about that, IA doesn't delete anything, just hides it |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: that kind of defeats the purpose of a public archive though |
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eientei95 |
Blame robots.txt |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: I guess I'll change it then |
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eientei95 |
Basically the only rule you need to remove is "Disallow: /wp-content/" |
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Exairnous |
ok |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: I also have Disallow: /members-only/ & Disallow: /wp/members-only/ |
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Exairnous |
those pages don't matter and are empty now, but I don't want IA to do anything drastic |
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eientei95 |
They don't matter as long as they don't exist and/or are empty |
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Exairnous |
they exist, I just don't care if they're archived or not |
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Exairnous |
so long as IA doesn't make the whole site private because of the rules |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: ^^ should I remove them just to be sure? |
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eientei95 |
If you want |
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eientei95 |
The only ones that you probably don't want accessible or indexed are wp-admin and wp-includes |
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Exairnous |
and wp-admin and wp-includes won't harm anything? |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: ^^ |
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eientei95 |
Yeah, they won't harm anything being in there |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: does IA take down just the page when it hits a robots.txt rule or the whole site? |
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eientei95 |
If the file is affected by the robots.txt rule, then IA won't make it available |
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Exairnous |
eientei95: ok, then the members-only rules should be fine. The pages/links aren't visible unless you're logged in so they shouldn't be caught by archivebot anyway? |
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eientei95 |
Yeah, they shouldn't, unless archivebot has gained sentience |
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Exairnous |
and can guess usernames and passwords :) |
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PurpleSym |
arkiver: Is blox.pl still on your radar? |
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godane |
hey dashcloud |
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godane |
i got your tapes |
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godane |
there being digitized using SVIDEO cable |
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godane |
and a new vcr |
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JAA |
Exairnous: I've taken care of the social media accounts. Instagram won't playback properly in the Wayback Machine, but the content will be preserved at least. The other sites work okay I believe. |
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arkiver |
PurpleSym: yes |
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arkiver |
but thanks for the reminder |
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odemgi_ |
SketchCow, dude decided to stick it here instead: http://www.os2bbs.com/zippedfilecollection/ |
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odemgi_ |
He says... >I may take the collection offline again in a few weeks. |
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odemgi_ |
So I'm mirroring it to the-eye too |
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schbirid |
someone should tell them to add export https://groups.io/static/transfer |
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SketchCow |
odemgi_: He's letting me dupe it directly |
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SketchCow |
AND we had it apparently |
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SketchCow |
Although I'm now comparing |
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Exairnous |
JAA: Thanks. I assume it'll take a week for the social media accounts to get into IA as well? |
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Exairnous |
anyone know of a public online archive that handles instagram properly? |
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JAA |
Exairnous: Usually just a day or two, but yeah, it can take up to a week. Not sure how large the uploading backlog is currently on the pipeline that ran these jobs. |
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Exairnous |
ok, good to know |
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JAA |
That machine is having some network issues, so there was a backlog of almost 500 GiB yesterday. |
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odemgi_ |
SketchCow, hmm, reading his initial post I figured it would be unique, or at least partially so, let me know if it's a 100% dupe please |
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Exairnous |
JAA: did the youtube job from #youtubearchive finish or is it still going? |
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JAA |
Exairnous: Looks like it finished. |
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Exairnous |
:) |
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JAA |
Be aware that those videos don't get uploaded to IA automatically. |
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JAA |
They'll eventually end up there if/when they get deleted on YT. |
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Exairnous |
so, no way to test fully whether the archive worked until after the channel has been deleted? |
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Lord_Nigh |
does anyone have any plans whatosever to fix the regression in the warrior code from may 2017 which prevents youtube-dl from working? I keep bringing it up and getting very loud silence |
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Exairnous |
JAA: ^^ |
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Lord_Nigh |
IIRC the cause of the bug is removal of the CONNECT function, which did indeed break object oriented programming rules, but is necessary for youtube-dl to work |
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JAA |
Exairnous: Here's what it grabbed: https://transfer.sh/G9npU/ts-ls-UC8VFq9R5XDOlh8KmV5G_CYA |
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JAA |
Lord_Nigh: Yes, I want to fix that once I get https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/pull/393 merged. |
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Lord_Nigh |
I can't even find the commit which removed it now :( |
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Lord_Nigh |
I remember it was removed by someone who ran a lot of warriors but isn't even in #archivebot anymore and may have gone AWOL? |
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JAA |
Commit 561380774baf5fd44990d16d64f545259c7385a1 |
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JAA |
In wpull |
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Lord_Nigh |
falconk |
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JAA |
Yep |
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Lord_Nigh |
i honestly say we just revert that commit and fix stuff that aged badly and breaks because of the revert |
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JAA |
Well yeah, but we need to revert it only partially. |
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JAA |
Anyway, until PR 393 is merged, it's unlikely that anything else will happen. |
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Lord_Nigh |
nothing's been merged since october, which doesn't bode well... |
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JAA |
Yeah |
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Lord_Nigh |
time for a fork? |
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JAA |
lol |
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JAA |
It's our repo. |
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Lord_Nigh |
time for a project administrator change? :P |
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JAA |
Heh |
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hook54321 |
There used to be tons of wpull forks, it was a mess. |
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JAA |
Yup, "wpull 2.0.3" was FalconK's fork for example. It was merged back into the official repo because it was used for so long on ArchiveBot that there are a lot of WARCs with that version number out there. |
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JAA |
ivan also has his own fork used in grab-site with version numbers 3.x. |
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schbirid |
oh awesome, is wpull usable again then? |
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schbirid |
only read the last two lines here :D |
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Lord_Nigh |
not until 561380774baf5fd44990d16d64f545259c7385a1 gets (partially?) reverted |
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JAA |
Yeah, 2.0.3 is usable. You need to install from GitHub though as it's not on PyPI yet. |
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JAA |
^^ That commit only breaks the youtube-dl integration. Otherwise, 2.0.3 is fine-ish. |
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Lord_Nigh |
did anyone bother ps/top testing whether the frozendict change actually helps reduce load in that commit? |
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JAA |
There are annoying bugs in the network stack though. |
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Lord_Nigh |
it seems sort of arbitrary |
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JAA |
Lord_Nigh: I believe FalconK and/or yipdw did performance testing at the time. At least I think I read something about that in the #archivebot logs. (I wasn't around yet when that happened.) |
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Lord_Nigh |
there's no linked document explaining why frozendict hurts performance, just "it does" |
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JAA |
Or rather, they ran a profiler and found that the FrozenDict takes up a lot of CPU time. |
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Lord_Nigh |
if that's true, then the removal makes sense |
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hook54321 |
<FalconK> wpull incurred something like a 5% performance hit by reallocating that metadata into a FrozenDict structure |
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Lord_Nigh |
if frozendict was working around a poorly implemented python feature which was fixed in the last 5 years, then it makes even more sense |
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Lord_Nigh |
ok, having never run wpull, is it python 2.x or 3.x code? |
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Lord_Nigh |
(i'm assuming 2.x) |
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hook54321 |
python 3 according to github |
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Lord_Nigh |
oh. that's good! less issues in the long run |
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Lord_Nigh |
2.x is dying an altogether too slow death |
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JAA |
wpull was always 3.x-only, fortunately. |
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Lord_Nigh |
though as cuavas pointed out, 3.x has some issues 2.x didn't have, particularly with arrays of text |
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Lord_Nigh |
where the assumption in 2.x that text arrays were ascii and one-byte-per-char made things easier, while 3.x's utf8 causes problems |
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JAA |
That's because in 3.x, strings are actually strings of characters. |
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JAA |
Rather than strings of bytes. |
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Lord_Nigh |
yes |
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JAA |
I find the 3.x concept much, *much* better. |
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Lord_Nigh |
I do too |
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JAA |
Do you have any example of such an issue? |
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JAA |
Most "3.x strings are so annoying" issues were simply due to people not using strings properly. |
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Lord_Nigh |
not offhand, I'd have to dig in a few years of irc logs to find the specific issue |
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JAA |
Most such issues I've seen* |
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Lord_Nigh |
for 99% of cases the python 3 way is better |
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Lord_Nigh |
this specific case i think is in the 1% |
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JAA |
My only issue with the 3.x situation is that I always forget whether the method to go from str to bytes is .decode or .encode. :-P |
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Lord_Nigh |
i'd assume its decode |
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Lord_Nigh |
because a string is utf-8 encoded |
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JAA |
Nope, it's encode. |
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Lord_Nigh |
great... |
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JAA |
Because you encode a string of characters in UTF-8. |
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JAA |
Or something like that. |
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Lord_Nigh |
oh, so you're 'encoding' the intermediate representation of "a string" into a canonical byte format |
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JAA |
Yeah |
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Lord_Nigh |
hmm does this mean that python can .encode into non-utf8 representations too? like shift-jis or CP437 or etc? |
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JAA |
Yes, I think so. |
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Lord_Nigh |
that's handy! |
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Lord_Nigh |
are those built-in? or only utf8? |
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Lord_Nigh |
since being able to encode to utf16 (for legacy windows stuff), UCS-2 (apple stuff) etc is very useful |
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JAA |
Not sure since I never needed it. |
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JAA |
I'd expect it to be built-in though. Possibly in the "codecs" module. |
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JAA |
We're very far in -ot territory by now, so let's move this there. |
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Lord_Nigh |
nah, i'm done, we can go back to -bs'ing |
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Lord_Nigh |
ok here's an on-topic thing: a while back someone linked me this: https://archive.org/stream/TNM_Music__Speech_Audio_synthesizer_-_Logistics__20170915_0481 |
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HCross |
glmd: is all your stuff being uploaded to the IA? |
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glmd |
There's a project trying to archive Blogspot Google+ comments. We have less than a day to get them all. |
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Lord_Nigh |
I've been trying to find more information about that device, digging in IA and in other places, and have come up pretty much blank |
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glmd |
We have a server for reporting technical issues here: https://discord.gg/dP4Pu6d |
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glmd |
If you'd like to help, clone this repo and follow the instructions in the README: https://github.com/afrmtbl/blogspot-comment-backup |
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Lord_Nigh |
I found https://stacks.stanford.edu/file/jc317zm3296/jc317zm3296_31_0000.pdf and https://monoskop.org/images/8/80/Synapse_Vol_2_No_2.pdf but no concrete evidence that that device was ever actually sold |
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glmd |
@HCross: We plan on doing so. |
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ivan |
it wasn't always 3.x https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull/commit/45262a580f7654c2f27bb7ee68a24a7ae3a59d9a |
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ivan |
-only |
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JAA |
Huh, TIL. |
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SketchCow |
odemgi_: I am fine with a dupe |
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SketchCow |
https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/02/seeking-the-productive-life-some-details-of-my-personal-infrastructure/ |
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SketchCow |
this is the greatest thing |
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SketchCow |
So |
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SketchCow |
https://blog.stephenwolfram.com/2019/02/seeking-the-productive-life-some-details-of-my-personal-infrastructure/ |
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SketchCow |
I mean |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/scenenotices |
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SketchCow |
I just spent some time on this. Turns out we have a fuckton of NFOs on the archive. |
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SketchCow |
I've gone ahead and consolidated all the items into one collection. |
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nerd1337 |
https://archive.org/details/FanficRepack_Redux hey SketchCow, how do i regenerate a torrent? this one doesn't have all the zip files in it. |
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arkiver |
so |
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arkiver |
that blogspot stuff is going away in <24 hours right? |
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glmd |
Yep. |
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