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SketchCow |
that's my screwup |
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They'll all be got. |
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JAA |
(Continuing from -ot regarding ideas for next projects) |
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JAA |
phiresky: Yes, Google+ will be (is partially already) in the WBM. Scrolling won't work though because it uses POST requests and the WBM can't handle those. |
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JAA |
VADemon: JamiiForums is also XenForo and those scripts are pretty much ready. |
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Flashfire |
We should have done Jamii a while ago but we never came to a decision about member only areas |
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VADemon |
Nice. So 1) JamiiForums 2) Bukkit.org (unknown future) 3) Hardforum (will stay afloat) |
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JAA |
0) or also 1) Reddit due to all the recent bans etc. |
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LowLevelM |
Here is the process for archiving a Thingiverse thing: Get JSON for id, get zip file for id, get json list of photos, get photos |
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LowLevelM |
If it is a work in progress, maybe add it to a list to re-archive |
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phiresky |
JAA: is there a way to make a "custom ui" in the internet archive (like those old game VMs) so e.g. reddit can be implemented as a dynamic frontend to json dumps instead of just millions of copies of the almost same website over and over? |
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phiresky |
(like https://snew.notabug.io/r/all |
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phiresky |
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phiresky |
just asking because i wondered the same thing about the google+ project |
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JAA |
phiresky: It's certainly possible, but I doubt the IA people have the time/resources to develop something specifically for that. But maybe something could be hacked together like that JS search thingy for an old AT project that someone wrote a long time ago. |
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phiresky |
yeah i mean like a way for third parties (us) to program UIs against their backing storage |
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phiresky |
like these https://archive.org/details/msdos_Oregon_Trail_The_1990 |
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JAA |
This is what I meant: https://archive.org/download/webshots-freeze-frame-index/index.html |
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JAA |
(The download links are broken in this case, but it could e.g. embed a WBM frame or something like that instead.) |
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phiresky |
yeah exactly.. was that done with active support of IA or completely independently? |
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phiresky |
ok looks like all IA content is directly downloadable and also has CORS headers set |
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JAA |
No idea. I wasn't around yet when that project happened. |
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phiresky |
yeah it seems to use http range requests to "abuse" the IA storage to make a kind of database of existing data for the search |
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phiresky |
i've done something similar before, only problem is that the data has to be on the server in a way that makes range requests possible (so no to most compressions) |
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phiresky |
ah yeah and also you can't really do aggregations quickly, so the comments of a post have to be stored near the post as opposed to the way pushshift.io stores it |
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phiresky |
i.e. making a ui for this reddit dump that's already on IA (2005-2017) is not really possible https://archive.org/details/academictorrents_85a5bd50e4c365f8df70240ffd4ecc7dec59912b |
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JAA |
Yeah, that's impossible. |
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JAA |
Maybe we can also grab the API data in our Reddit project and then access that directly. |
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JAA |
Alternatively, we'd have to decompress the Pushshift data and store it differently. |
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phiresky |
but since now reddit posts are immutable after 6 months anyways, it would be easy to convert that data to just huge json files per post and make a ui for that |
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JAA |
After 6 months of no activity, I believe. So it's a bit messier, but yeah, that should work. |
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phiresky |
mh i thought 6 months fixed cause i've previously tried to comment on stuff that still seemed pretty alive |
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phiresky |
all that data is also on google bigquery btw |
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phiresky |
so it's also possible to write SQL queries against the whole data fairly easily |
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JAA |
We'll anyway regrab threads until they get archived as part of the project, I think. So it's easy to add some detection of archived threads so they can be processed accordingly. |
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JAA |
I'm pretty sure I've commented on a 2-year-old thread before. |
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LowLevelM |
Get ready for google+ flashover |
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JAA |
But this is getting pretty Reddit-specific, so maybe we should move to the project channel, #shreddit |
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phiresky |
can't even find any official information on archiving |
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ephemer0l |
Thanks, JAA! Did the rate limiting coincide with it, or when did that start happening? |
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ephemer0l: Uh, what are you referring to? |
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ephemer0l |
That wiki pasted? |
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ephemer0l |
https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1112494767601053696 |
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JAA |
Ah, I thought you meant something about that wiki is getting rate-limited. |
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JAA |
I don't know what's going on at Google+, wasn't involved much in that project. #googleminus |
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ephemer0l |
sorry, nope |
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ephemer0l |
Thanks :-) |
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phiresky |
lol @ the first reply on that tweet |
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Kaz |
god dammit |
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Evie |
Who has the first reply? |
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Flashfire |
https://twitter.com/ChrisEineke/status/1112512726310383616 |
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Flashfire |
Imma just leave that ther |
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kode54 |
Flashfire: I think he means limiting it to fetching a single page per minute per client |
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kode54 |
but that would be too slow and require way too many clients |
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Kaz |
nah |
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Kaz |
I think he's just unaware of what we're doing |
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kode54 |
more likely that |
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Lord_Nigh |
wow, hiddenpalace just nuked all the nintendo-based prototypes they hosted. rip protos |
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Lord_Nigh |
http://hiddenpalace.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADoNotUploadList&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=25459&oldid=14882 |
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"24 year old security researcher Zammis Clark has pleaded guilty for hacking into Nintendo and Microsoft servers to gain access to confidential information." ... this may explain why. |
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Lord_Nigh |
looks like IA did NOT have a mirror of hiddenpalace either |
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Lord_Nigh |
hmm i stand corrected, it looks like most of what was removed was covered |
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t3: "news-sites" should be "news sites", and "realised" is not a typo. |
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JAA: Okay. |
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JAA: The FTP project appears twice: in 'Scripts only' and in 'Manual projects'. |
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t3 |
The first paragraph of the "HISTORY IS OUR FUTURE" blurb on the main page abruptly switches from third- to first-person point of view. I would like to recommend some changes. |
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t3 |
On the main wiki page (https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page)* |
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SketchCow |
That's good priority there |
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julientm |
Can someone take a look at https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki the status went to offline |
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julientm |
wondering what the Archiving status will be? |
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t3 |
julientm: Has it been archived with ArchiveBot? |
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julientm |
no I don't think so |
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t3 |
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t3 |
julientm: Oh that's a problem. Is the site permanently offline? |
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julientm |
I believe so, but, the old admins might have a copy. They tried to relaunch the site, it was costing too much hosting. |
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t3 |
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t3 |
julientm: I think the site copy can be used to somehow. We would have to communicate with the site admins. |
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t3 |
JAA: What should be done about this? |
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julientm |
t3 how do I verify if the archivebot arlready archived it? |
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julientm: See http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=battlestarwiki.org |
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julientm |
t3 thx |
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t3 |
You can use that site to search for stuff that has been archived using ArchiveBot. |
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JAA |
Yeah, trying to contact the owners would be a good option. |
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t3 |
julientm: The Battlestar wiki can be saved in the form of the XML dumps or in the form of WARCs. |
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JAA |
Offline + Not saved yet seems okay as long as there are no signs that it's lost. |