#archiveteam-bs 2019-04-01,Mon

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00:05 🔗 SketchCow that's my screwup
00:05 🔗 SketchCow They'll all be got.
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00:26 🔗 JAA (Continuing from -ot regarding ideas for next projects)
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00:26 🔗 JAA phiresky: Yes, Google+ will be (is partially already) in the WBM. Scrolling won't work though because it uses POST requests and the WBM can't handle those.
00:28 🔗 JAA VADemon: JamiiForums is also XenForo and those scripts are pretty much ready.
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00:28 🔗 Flashfire We should have done Jamii a while ago but we never came to a decision about member only areas
00:28 🔗 VADemon Nice. So 1) JamiiForums 2) Bukkit.org (unknown future) 3) Hardforum (will stay afloat)
00:29 🔗 JAA 0) or also 1) Reddit due to all the recent bans etc.
00:31 🔗 LowLevelM Here is the process for archiving a Thingiverse thing: Get JSON for id, get zip file for id, get json list of photos, get photos
00:31 🔗 LowLevelM If it is a work in progress, maybe add it to a list to re-archive
00:32 🔗 phiresky JAA: is there a way to make a "custom ui" in the internet archive (like those old game VMs) so e.g. reddit can be implemented as a dynamic frontend to json dumps instead of just millions of copies of the almost same website over and over?
00:33 🔗 phiresky (like https://snew.notabug.io/r/all
00:33 🔗 phiresky )
00:35 🔗 phiresky just asking because i wondered the same thing about the google+ project
00:37 🔗 JAA phiresky: It's certainly possible, but I doubt the IA people have the time/resources to develop something specifically for that. But maybe something could be hacked together like that JS search thingy for an old AT project that someone wrote a long time ago.
00:38 🔗 phiresky yeah i mean like a way for third parties (us) to program UIs against their backing storage
00:40 🔗 phiresky like these https://archive.org/details/msdos_Oregon_Trail_The_1990
00:41 🔗 JAA This is what I meant: https://archive.org/download/webshots-freeze-frame-index/index.html
00:41 🔗 JAA (The download links are broken in this case, but it could e.g. embed a WBM frame or something like that instead.)
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00:45 🔗 phiresky yeah exactly.. was that done with active support of IA or completely independently?
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00:49 🔗 phiresky ok looks like all IA content is directly downloadable and also has CORS headers set
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00:51 🔗 JAA No idea. I wasn't around yet when that project happened.
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00:53 🔗 phiresky yeah it seems to use http range requests to "abuse" the IA storage to make a kind of database of existing data for the search
00:56 🔗 phiresky i've done something similar before, only problem is that the data has to be on the server in a way that makes range requests possible (so no to most compressions)
00:57 🔗 phiresky ah yeah and also you can't really do aggregations quickly, so the comments of a post have to be stored near the post as opposed to the way pushshift.io stores it
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01:01 🔗 phiresky i.e. making a ui for this reddit dump that's already on IA (2005-2017) is not really possible https://archive.org/details/academictorrents_85a5bd50e4c365f8df70240ffd4ecc7dec59912b
01:02 🔗 JAA Yeah, that's impossible.
01:03 🔗 JAA Maybe we can also grab the API data in our Reddit project and then access that directly.
01:03 🔗 JAA Alternatively, we'd have to decompress the Pushshift data and store it differently.
01:04 🔗 phiresky but since now reddit posts are immutable after 6 months anyways, it would be easy to convert that data to just huge json files per post and make a ui for that
01:04 🔗 JAA After 6 months of no activity, I believe. So it's a bit messier, but yeah, that should work.
01:05 🔗 phiresky mh i thought 6 months fixed cause i've previously tried to comment on stuff that still seemed pretty alive
01:05 🔗 phiresky all that data is also on google bigquery btw
01:05 🔗 phiresky so it's also possible to write SQL queries against the whole data fairly easily
01:05 🔗 JAA We'll anyway regrab threads until they get archived as part of the project, I think. So it's easy to add some detection of archived threads so they can be processed accordingly.
01:06 🔗 JAA I'm pretty sure I've commented on a 2-year-old thread before.
01:06 🔗 LowLevelM Get ready for google+ flashover
01:06 🔗 JAA But this is getting pretty Reddit-specific, so maybe we should move to the project channel, #shreddit
01:07 🔗 phiresky can't even find any official information on archiving
01:15 🔗 ephemer0l Thanks, JAA! Did the rate limiting coincide with it, or when did that start happening?
01:16 🔗 JAA ephemer0l: Uh, what are you referring to?
01:17 🔗 ephemer0l That wiki pasted?
01:17 🔗 ephemer0l https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1112494767601053696
01:18 🔗 JAA Ah, I thought you meant something about that wiki is getting rate-limited.
01:18 🔗 JAA I don't know what's going on at Google+, wasn't involved much in that project. #googleminus
01:18 🔗 ephemer0l sorry, nope
01:18 🔗 ephemer0l Thanks :-)
01:19 🔗 phiresky lol @ the first reply on that tweet
01:21 🔗 Kaz god dammit
01:23 🔗 Evie Who has the first reply?
01:24 🔗 Flashfire https://twitter.com/ChrisEineke/status/1112512726310383616
01:24 🔗 Flashfire Imma just leave that ther
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02:00 🔗 kode54 Flashfire: I think he means limiting it to fetching a single page per minute per client
02:00 🔗 kode54 but that would be too slow and require way too many clients
02:01 🔗 Kaz nah
02:01 🔗 Kaz I think he's just unaware of what we're doing
02:01 🔗 kode54 more likely that
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18:56 🔗 Lord_Nigh wow, hiddenpalace just nuked all the nintendo-based prototypes they hosted. rip protos
18:57 🔗 Lord_Nigh http://hiddenpalace.org/w/index.php?title=Template%3ADoNotUploadList&action=historysubmit&type=revision&diff=25459&oldid=14882
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18:59 🔗 Lord_Nigh "24 year old security researcher Zammis Clark has pleaded guilty for hacking into Nintendo and Microsoft servers to gain access to confidential information." ... this may explain why.
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19:02 🔗 Lord_Nigh looks like IA did NOT have a mirror of hiddenpalace either
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19:03 🔗 Lord_Nigh hmm i stand corrected, it looks like most of what was removed was covered
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19:39 🔗 JAA t3: "news-sites" should be "news sites", and "realised" is not a typo.
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19:44 🔗 t3 JAA: Okay.
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19:48 🔗 t3 JAA: The FTP project appears twice: in 'Scripts only' and in 'Manual projects'.
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20:01 🔗 t3 The first paragraph of the "HISTORY IS OUR FUTURE" blurb on the main page abruptly switches from third- to first-person point of view. I would like to recommend some changes.
20:02 🔗 t3 On the main wiki page (https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Main_Page)*
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20:05 🔗 SketchCow That's good priority there
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23:25 🔗 julientm Can someone take a look at https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Battlestar_Wiki the status went to offline
23:26 🔗 julientm wondering what the Archiving status will be?
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23:48 🔗 t3 julientm: Has it been archived with ArchiveBot?
23:48 🔗 julientm no I don't think so
23:48 🔗 julientm t3
23:49 🔗 t3 julientm: Oh that's a problem. Is the site permanently offline?
23:50 🔗 julientm I believe so, but, the old admins might have a copy. They tried to relaunch the site, it was costing too much hosting.
23:50 🔗 julientm t3
23:52 🔗 t3 julientm: I think the site copy can be used to somehow. We would have to communicate with the site admins.
23:52 🔗 t3 JAA: What should be done about this?
23:53 🔗 julientm t3 how do I verify if the archivebot arlready archived it?
23:56 🔗 t3 julientm: See http://archive.fart.website/archivebot/viewer/?q=battlestarwiki.org
23:57 🔗 julientm t3 thx
23:57 🔗 t3 You can use that site to search for stuff that has been archived using ArchiveBot.
23:59 🔗 JAA Yeah, trying to contact the owners would be a good option.
23:59 🔗 t3 julientm: The Battlestar wiki can be saved in the form of the XML dumps or in the form of WARCs.
23:59 🔗 JAA Offline + Not saved yet seems okay as long as there are no signs that it's lost.

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