#archiveteam-bs 2019-04-30,Tue

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00:19 🔗 ayanami_ JAA How long did it take to archive? How much GB/TB/PB/whatever in data was saved?
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00:20 🔗 JAA ayanami_: Just a couple hours, 3 GiB or so. This is only the thread HTML and a few associated things though, no images, attachments, etc.
00:21 🔗 JAA Don't have the exact size for just the thread URLs since it's all running in the same grab and writing to the same WARCs.
00:21 🔗 JAA About 3 hours and 20 minutes for the thread URLs.
00:22 🔗 JAA Post URLs will take a while since they go up to over 2.3 million (so it takes 2.3 million requests). Should still finish in time easily though.
00:22 🔗 JAA I'm doing roughly 10k requests per minute at the moment.
00:23 🔗 JAA Oh, that's ~3 GiB of compressed WARCs. I don't know the uncompressed size.
00:24 🔗 JAA It's text, so it compresses very well, but it won't be huge since the forums aren't *that* large.
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00:55 🔗 JAA Current ETA is around 10:00 UTC.
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02:55 🔗 JAA Huh, my request rate plummeted the second I started the ArchiveBot job. I guess I shouldn't go much faster then.
02:57 🔗 ayanami_ For what? 99? JAA
03:01 🔗 JAA Yeah
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03:18 🔗 marked How about #Etch-A-Sketch for Sony Sketch ?
03:18 🔗 Flashfire Nah I think that is TradeMarked
03:19 🔗 Flashfire not that we really cared about that in the past
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03:28 🔗 JAA #sketchy ?
03:29 🔗 JAA Oh, occupied.
03:29 🔗 Flashfire occupado
03:30 🔗 JAA Who dares to steal a potential AT IRC channel?!
03:30 🔗 Flashfire THE CHEEK OF THEM
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03:35 🔗 marked #SketchyGrab
03:40 🔗 marked #EraseASketch
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10:29 🔗 JAA Oops, bug in my 99.se script causing an infinite loop. Welp.
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10:47 🔗 JAA Fixed and resumed.
10:47 🔗 JAA All threads and posts pages have been retrieved, now doing the user profiles.
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10:56 🔗 schbirid any ideas why http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://geoportal-hamburg.de/gdi3d/datasource-data/Schraegluftbilder2018/50_07032_lvl02-oblique-left/5/10/10.jpg might not want to archive?
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11:09 🔗 JAA schbirid: Not really, but I've had that issue before on kkl-luzern.ch. Perhaps a ban of IA's IP range?
11:10 🔗 JAA By the way, it looks like 99.se is running backups at 03:00 UTC. That's the only time I got a few timeout errors during my grab.
11:11 🔗 schbirid hm weird
11:11 🔗 schbirid i had no issues getting images added earlier http://web.archive.org/web/*/https://geoportal-hamburg.de/gdi3d/datasource-data/Schraegluftbilder2018//*
11:11 🔗 JAA Huh
11:12 🔗 schbirid they had an expired certificate last weekend
11:12 🔗 schbirid maybe that got cached somewhere?
11:17 🔗 JAA Yeah, also sounds plausible.
11:17 🔗 JAA Probably a case for info@archive.org, but I haven't had much luck getting through there lately.
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12:21 🔗 JAA 99.se is done. I covered a couple user profiles many times due to missing item deduplication in qwarc (coming soon). 35 GiB of WARCs, mostly from the posts pages I think.
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12:28 🔗 Igloo Awesome JAA
12:28 🔗 marked dedup could be done post crawl if later needed
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13:00 🔗 marked Who/what is OTW? Do you have an idea of the size of bookcity.co.il ?
13:00 🔗 gilbahat OTW is the organization for transformative works, mainly known for their flagship project 'Archive of our own' which is a fanfiction specific archive
13:01 🔗 gilbahat one of their subprojects is called 'open doors' which specializes in rescuing and re-cataloguing fanfiction archives
13:02 🔗 JAA ~200k "books" (stories?) according to the homepage.
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13:03 🔗 gilbahat yes
13:03 🔗 gilbahat by fanfiction sites, this is considered a decent amount
13:03 🔗 JAA Each story has one page it seems, no pagination.
13:03 🔗 gilbahat there are multiple episodes though
13:04 🔗 gilbahat I do wonder if the 200k count really is 'books' or 'episodes'
13:04 🔗 marked What's the semantic feature you mentioned?
13:04 🔗 gilbahat they have a tag-based system
13:05 🔗 JAA Do you have an example of such a multi-episode book?
13:05 🔗 gilbahat yes, sec. it also has fan-out (multiple options for an episode)
13:05 🔗 a_spook_ schbirid: removing https seemed to work: http://web.archive.org/web/20190430130123/http://geoportal-hamburg.de/gdi3d/datasource-data/Schraegluftbilder2018/50_07032_lvl02-oblique-left/5/10/10.jpg
13:05 🔗 gilbahat http://bookcity.co.il/book.asp?id=206044 has fan-out: episode 3 / episode 3.1
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13:08 🔗 JAA Oh, I see now that there's a menu on the right with the pagination. Requires JS, so ArchiveBot will *not* cover it unless those pages are linked elsewhere.
13:08 🔗 marked So the right side nav, it's flipping to different cgi get URLs
13:08 🔗 JAA (Menu only appears with JS enabled as well.)
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13:10 🔗 SketchCow After the power outage, FOS came back without having the script that uploads archivebot uploads.
13:10 🔗 SketchCow A lot of data comes in via archivebot.
13:10 🔗 SketchCow Just wanted to pass along. Seems like terabytes a day
13:11 🔗 gilbahat I think the mobile pages have a non-js nav
13:11 🔗 gilbahat it has a different url scheme for mobile
13:12 🔗 Igloo SketchCow: Ok, Noted. Do you have the script or is it just not running?
13:13 🔗 JAA gilbahat: Where can I find the mobile site? Difficult to navigate not knowing Hebrew. :-)
13:13 🔗 marked JAA: there's an additional nav in center of page that uses forms drop down
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13:15 🔗 JAA marked: Come again?
13:15 🔗 marked (i'll be surprised is this works) where it says: רשימת הפרקים
13:16 🔗 JAA Oh right, that's the one I was looking at before.
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13:16 🔗 JAA The one on the right side doesn't use JS. :-)
13:17 🔗 JAA It only shows up with JS enabled it seems, but the links are plain HTML.
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13:22 🔗 gilbahat I can help with any hebrew issues
13:24 🔗 marked woops, on Android, front page redirects to http://bookcity.co.il/mobile/
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13:31 🔗 marked the mobile version is pageable without JS: http://bookcity.co.il/mobile/page.asp?id=267514
13:33 🔗 JAA Hmm, it does that redirect for ArchiveBot as well.
13:33 🔗 JAA Guess it's time to restart with a browser UA and a separate job for the mobile page.
13:37 🔗 SketchCow Igloo: It's running now.
13:37 🔗 SketchCow I'm just noting how much the machine uploads
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13:44 🔗 marked yeah, at least the mobile side will be sure to get all the content. on the desktop side, the only other thing I can think of is enumerating all the story ID's and figure it will come together on playback when that browser has javascript turned on
13:44 🔗 marked ^grab by sequential ID
13:44 🔗 JAA Yup
13:45 🔗 JAA gilbahat: Any idea how urgent this is, i.e. when the site might disappear?
13:46 🔗 JAA Or is this rather a "site has been unhealthy for a while, better safe than sorry"-type thing?
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13:58 🔗 gilbahat back, sorry
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14:28 🔗 marked gilbahat, the question to you was: what do you know about the urgency/when the site might disappear?
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14:29 🔗 gilbahat I know for sure that the site is doomed (confirmed in private chat with owner, still not publicly known)
14:29 🔗 gilbahat but no shuttering date
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15:05 🔗 arkiver did we make a decision on the channel for the sketch website?
15:06 🔗 schbirid a_spook_: thx
15:06 🔗 schbirid retch?
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15:35 🔗 JAA arkiver: Don't think so.
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15:45 🔗 nyany what's the website called
15:46 🔗 JAA nyany: Sketch: https://sketch.sonymobile.com/
15:46 🔗 nyany oh this
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15:47 🔗 nyany if you were looking for a name i was going to suggest something with the word sketchy in it, seems right for sony
15:47 🔗 JAA Yeah, I suggested #sketchy, but that channel's occupied.
15:49 🔗 nyany ... #sketchedout?
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15:50 🔗 nyany i'm presently the only occupant of said channel
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15:53 🔗 nyany oh wow. the front page of their site is very depressing
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15:53 🔗 nyany https://sketch.sonymobile.com/explore/featured/sketch/1dddc116-ed8b-45a3-a042-40c96fd2de46
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16:07 🔗 nyany i'll hold the channel until you get back to me.
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17:52 🔗 marked sketched out is pretty good. Could we just recreate it with capitals? #SketchedOut
18:03 🔗 nyany done, but in looking at the other channels on at they all seem to be in lowercase?
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18:19 🔗 JAA IRC channel names are treated as case-insensitive by almost all implementations I believe (although RFC 1459 doesn't say that). Anyway.
18:19 🔗 JAA #SketchedOut it is.
18:19 🔗 astrid they're case insensitive but case preserving
18:20 🔗 JAA Probably depends on the server implementation. The specs don't say anything about it.
18:22 🔗 JAA And depending on the client, it may also not show up with the "correct" capitalisation in your client. I know I've joined a channel with a different capitalisation than it was created as before in irssi, though I don't remember which it was.
18:22 🔗 nyany in irssi, [14:22] [@nyany_(+i)] [2:choopa/#sketchedout(+nt)]
18:22 🔗 nyany shows with lowercase
18:23 🔗 JAA Did you /join #sketchedout or #SketchedOut?
18:23 🔗 astrid yes that may depend on how you typed it when you joined
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18:23 🔗 nyany JAA: I joined sketchedout
18:23 🔗 nyany but ah
18:23 🔗 nyany yeah, that makes sense. forgive me.
18:23 🔗 JAA Right, that's what I meant above.
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18:40 🔗 Fusl it kaput NodePing: [AT] HTTPS tracker.archiveteam.org: HTTP is down
18:41 🔗 Fusl > 100% iowait
18:41 🔗 Fusl oof
18:44 🔗 nyany ouch
18:47 🔗 Fusl 100% iowait almost always means that something is seriously fucked, as is probably the case here
18:48 🔗 Fusl so uh, chfoo Kaz wanna take a look?
18:48 🔗 Kaz I have nothing but a phone on me
18:49 🔗 Fusl sets mode: +o Kaz
18:51 🔗 Kaz I tried, I can't even log in
18:53 🔗 Fusl fun
18:53 🔗 Fusl yeah with 100% iowait you very certainly wont be able to do anything on it anyway
18:53 🔗 Fusl oh look its slowly coming back
18:55 🔗 nyany we use puppet in a production environment, one of the servers managed was a rather small kvm. there was an ensure set to make sure x application was running
18:55 🔗 nyany problem is, the ensure was misconfigured, so every time it checked, it assumed the app wasnt running, and started it. results were similar to what just happened here.
18:57 🔗 Fusl yeah, this looks like a hardware failure to me though
18:57 🔗 Fusl disk ops dropped to 0, iowait went up to 100%
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19:03 🔗 Kaz Maybe we'll finally fix/replace it
19:03 🔗 Fusl i dont think so
19:03 🔗 Fusl it will just be a "i restarted it, its working again"
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19:49 🔗 jodizzle VoynichCr: I added a whole bunch of URLs to https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php/ArchiveBot/Educational_institutions/list, but they haven't been processed into the corresponding table yet. Any idea why?
19:49 🔗 jodizzle Is it possible the list is too long?
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19:52 🔗 JAA Update on what I wrote in here a couple days ago about WARC payload digests being incorrect in WARCs produced by wpull and warcio, there was quite a bit of discussion about this on the warcio issue I opened yesterday: https://github.com/webrecorder/warcio/issues/74 TL;DR: "Someone" needs to do a comparison between existing toolery and identify which tools produce payload digests according to the
19:52 🔗 JAA standard and which keep the transfer encoding. Then a decision can be made whether software or standard need to be fixed.
19:54 🔗 JAA chfoo, ivan, PurpleSym: ^ You might be interested in this.
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20:39 🔗 Kaz hmm, are any projects active on the tracker atm?
20:39 🔗 JAA Only URLTeam I think.
20:41 🔗 JAA Well, when the tracker responds, that is.
20:41 🔗 nyany i was going to ask something about the "active" projects. tumblr is there still. seems that when i was looking at the stats there's been next to no activity since early april
20:41 🔗 nyany is that project still ongoing?
20:42 🔗 JAA That's why I moved it to the Hiatus section on the wiki earlier.
20:43 🔗 nyany no kidding. must've been just after i was looking
20:43 🔗 nyany actually, that doesn't appear to be the case, JAA.
20:44 🔗 JAA I did edit it, but the main page is cached.
20:44 🔗 JAA Now it should be good.
20:45 🔗 nyany jolly good
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21:29 🔗 ivan I am looking for someone who wants to help with YouTube archiving by monitoring everything submitted in #youtubearchive and feeding in current events, so that I can focus on the software stuff for a bit
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21:36 🔗 ivan the first task involves clicking every link and making sure people aren't gumming up the works with boring gaming or 10 Hour videos
21:37 🔗 ivan the second task involves thinking about what is on YouTube when Something Is Happening and should be saved
21:39 🔗 marked How many WARC tools are going to be enough to resolve an answer to the digest contraversy?
21:44 🔗 JAA marked: All of them. Well, all common ones at least. Things in the WARC standard have been driven by implementations, so it should be as complete a picture as possible. As mentioned, my plan is to write a little HTTP server that every author/maintainer can run their tool against, and then the WARCs can be compared against each other. I won't do that immediately though since I also want to hear what
21:44 🔗 JAA wumpus has found so far in his investigation to possibly also cover some other pitfalls than just this transfer encoding/payload digest thing.
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22:14 🔗 jodizzle ivan: For the first issue, have you considered just restricting access like is done with archivebot?
22:14 🔗 jodizzle I guess that probably requires software work.
22:19 🔗 ivan jodizzle: I kind of like the unrestricted access
22:20 🔗 ivan and giving someone permission doesn't guarantee they'll behave anyway
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