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SketchCow |
Huge amount of editing I see |
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jut |
It's mostly just the bot |
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SketchCow |
Well, that's people editing, being reflected by the bot. |
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SketchCow |
What does the bot do? |
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JAA |
The bot takes a list of URLs and generates a table of the relevant ArchiveBot jobs. |
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SketchCow |
Neat |
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SketchCow |
I'm not seeing anything absorbing all our time, which is good |
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Sanqui |
the bot is a good thing although is there a manual for it anywhere |
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marked1 |
kiska: do you want testing jobs be run on your tracker? |
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JAA |
Sanqui: Nope. You need to create two pages, ArchiveBot/* and ArchiveBot/*/list. In the simplest case, the former would be something like https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveBot/TEMPLATE&action=edit&oldid=34877 and the latter would simply contain lines of URLs. There's also support for sections as you can see for example on many of the election-related pages. |
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Sanqui |
ty! i'll have to try it sometime |
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JAA |
It's not perfect, mainly due to deficiencies in the viewer, which it gets the data from. For example, URLs including an @ will always stay as "not saved yet" because the viewer ignores such files. |
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jut |
Can we whitelist the bot so that the spam doesn't happen? |
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JAA |
It's already marked as a bot, but purplebot doesn't filter for that. |
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JAA |
I actually like seeing the bot edits to check what's still missing etc. |
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marked1 |
another option is purplebot could msg a project's channel when listed in the wiki page that was edited |
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PurpleSym |
marked1: I’m not sure parsing wiki markup is a good idea. If purplebot gets too spammy I can exclude/redirect bot edits. |
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PurpleSym |
But current concensus seems to be: Show bot edits? |
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JAA |
All proper IRC clients should allow filtering anyway. So you could filter out "* edited by HadeanEon *" from purplebot, for example. |
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JAA |
(As in, people who don't want to see those edits could do that.) |
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JAA |
And yes, I agree that parsing is not a good idea. It's also nice to see all wiki edits in one place. |
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PurpleSym |
A separate channel for all edits would be an option too, but I think that idea was rejected a while ago by SketchCow. |
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marked1 |
my view is when a certain threshold of automated messages is crossed, it can interfere with human-to-human communication. S:N ratio like. I am assuming majority of humans present don't look up how to filter. |
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JAA |
Does it actually interfere though? |
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Fusl |
there are exactly three /ignore list entries on my client: a highlight spammer on the mozilla network, ducttape from freenode#opennic and purplebot, not because i don't want to see the messages but they trigger a hotlist event which i configured for some specific archiveteam channels. i'm actually all in for moving the bot to its own channel |
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schbirid |
+1 |
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PurpleSym |
#archiveteam-wiki ? |
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Fusl |
#archiveteam-bot so that we can also have nodeping notifications on there? |
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Fusl |
not actually -bot though, people might confuse that with #archivebot |
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JAA |
Yeah, was going to say that. Guaranteed confusion. |
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JAA |
-wiki sounds good. |
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Fusl |
yeah |
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PurpleSym |
nodeping? |
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Fusl |
nodeping http://xor.meo.ws/5eef9b32/3b68/4eb8/8943/df1e75c56c9a.png |
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PurpleSym |
Maybe #archiveteam-notify, #archiveteam-status ? |
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Fusl |
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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VoynichCr |
#archiveteam-rc (recent changes) |
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astrid |
i think the wikibot traffic is small enough to not be a bother |
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astrid |
also we should all be watching what happens on the wiki |
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Fusl |
i don't care in the end. i have the bot muted and the update stream itself broken out onto one of my two archiveteam monitoring screens |
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schbirid |
it's super annoying |
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schbirid |
and i turned blind to it quickly |
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SketchCow |
Edits here are fine. |
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SketchCow |
But yeah, maybe knock out the bot edits |
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Kaz |
Would like to add that if we're removing bot edits, please match on something that can't be abused |
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Kaz |
i.e we don't want someone to be able to start wiping pages and us not be aware of it due to them putting 'edited by HadeanEon (+183, BOT - Updating page:' in their edit notes |
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astrid |
oo, good point |
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t3 |
I like PurpleSym's #archiveteam-wiki name. |
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Sanqui |
that's way too obscure |
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Fusl |
#archiveteam.org? :D |
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Sanqui |
sorry i mean, the abuse potential is too obscure |
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JAA |
The filter should just use the bot flag on the wiki. |
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Kaz |
if that's a thing, sounds good |
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JAA |
It most certainly is. Note that https://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges doesn't show the bot edits, you need to explicitly "Show bots". |
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Kaz |
as long as we have some sort of centralised control over it (and you can't just set the bot flag on your own account) |
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JAA |
You can't, a wiki admin (i.e. Jason) has to set it. |
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Kaz |
perfect |
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PurpleSym |
I will hide bot edits for now. |
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jut |
Can you forward the bot edits to #archiveteam-wiki ? |
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PurpleSym |
I’ll see what I can do, not tonight though. |
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t3 |
Sounds good. |
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t3 |
I propose that the vulgar word from the URLTeam description on the main wiki page https://www.archiveteam.org/ be removed. |
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t3 |
Let me know if anyone has any thoughts. |
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Kaz |
I disagree |
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Kaz |
not to mention that's not actually the only use of the word (fuck, if anyone's wondering) on that page |
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jut |
there is also shit |
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jut |
Audit 2014: It's time to verify our shit |
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Kaz |
also.. y'know.. https://www.archiveteam.org/images/e/e6/Archiveteam.jpg |
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ealgase |
I haven't seen much on archiveteam about cyberlockers, which are probably somewhat important to archive |
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ealgase |
(a lot of content on them is pirated, but there's also quite a lot of stuff like homebrew software, fan games, mods, etc) |
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Kaz |
the problem is once you classify it as anything other than 'quite a lot of stuff' you realise how hard it'd be to actually grab useful stuff vs the amount of other assorted crap that's on there |
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ealgase |
that's true, maybe only grab certain filetypes? (skip any videos) |
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astrid |
t3: i lean to keeping the text "url shorteners were a fucking awful idea" because, face it, they kinda are |
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ATrescue |
astrid: I'm fine with the swear word, but I occasionally use URL shorteners with custom URL as shortcut to access websites faster when not in browsing history. But yes, URL shorteners can break alot. |
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astrid |
they're fine for ephemeral use, the problem is when they wind up being the url of record for something |
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astrid |
which happens ALL THE TIME |
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marked1 |
I'm not seeing the difference between that vs "url shorteners were an awful[or terrible] idea". just seems like a distraction without additional meaning. The other 2 places with curse words are not removable without changing meaning, but one will scroll off with time. URLteam is a perma-project |
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astrid |
it's for emphasis |
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astrid |
what's the issue |
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astrid |
do you have an articulable objection or is it a thing that makes you feel uncomfortable |
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astrid |
(not trying to invalidate feelings; i'd like an honest assessment of what's objectionable about it. as a rather foulmouthed person there is probably something i'm missing.) |
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marked1 |
it makes me feel uncomfortable, but combined with unclear benefit. and I get that different people have different tolerances especially across cultures. |
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astrid |
mm |
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marked1 |
the other places, one is a quote, so wouldn't want to change the quote and it reads well. |
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marked1 |
it's not something important to me to discuss, but if you wanted to understand the other side. some people grew up where curse words were only used for arguments and fights. so it's a trigger for adrenaline. |
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astrid |
ahh |
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ealgase |
Is there any way to submit a page to Wayback via an API? The closest I can get is cURLing https://web.archive.org/save/URL but that's not a great solution |
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Kaz |
isn't it? for a one-off page save that's a pretty good solution |
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