#archiveteam-bs 2019-05-28,Tue

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02:33 πŸ”— godane ivan : so i found out sites like this exist : https://γ‚²γƒΌγƒ ζ”»η•₯本.xyz/
02:33 πŸ”— godane with japanese charactors in url
02:38 πŸ”— Flashfire Yeah they are a fucking pain you know there are shit with emojis now as well?
02:39 πŸ”— godane emojis i could sort of see cause stuff like :)
02:39 πŸ”— godane its a : and )
02:39 πŸ”— Flashfire No I mean emojis straight up fucking emojis
02:40 πŸ”— Flashfire https://xn--vi8hl0c.ws/
02:40 πŸ”— Flashfire its unicode at its core but seriously annoying
02:42 πŸ”— ealgase https://πŸ˜»πŸ•.ws/πŸ˜”πŸ˜”πŸ˜”
02:42 πŸ”— godane whats worse about that site is all the files are on raptorgator and its premium only
02:43 πŸ”— godane find a website that can bypass raptorgator and novafire and i can giving guys tons of stuff
02:43 πŸ”— ealgase just like
02:43 πŸ”— Flashfire Hold on I came prepared for such an occasion
02:43 πŸ”— ealgase buy premium?
02:44 πŸ”— Flashfire Half of those sites are a scam
02:44 πŸ”— Flashfire Its a gamble to if they actually have the file
02:44 πŸ”— ealgase Yeah
02:44 πŸ”— ealgase that's why I only trust free filesharing sites
02:44 πŸ”— ealgase like Openload
02:45 πŸ”— ealgase they have sketchy ads but you don't have to pay so like
02:45 πŸ”— ealgase waaaay better
02:46 πŸ”— godane a part of me thinks some are just bad scans
02:46 πŸ”— Flashfire godane Send me some examples for each sketchy file host that you cant pay for I have a card that may be able to help
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04:28 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to yank the berries site out of archivebot unless someone has a compelling reason
04:31 πŸ”— Flashfire Can we have it darked instead SketchCow?
04:31 πŸ”— Flashfire The data saved but not accessible?
04:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Give me a compelling reason
04:33 πŸ”— SketchCow If you wave me my own archive team flag in my face, that's a bad move
04:33 πŸ”— kiska Please do remove it
04:34 πŸ”— Flashfire Because the preservation of all data is important no matter how insignificant it may seem now. However after reading through that thread I can say that having it darked and inaccessible is the best option that fits both with archiveteam mottos and by the time it is undarked the people who typed it will assumedly have passed. All the same If you don
04:34 πŸ”— Flashfire t agree with me you are the boss and it is up to you in the end
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04:34 πŸ”— ealgase id normally agree
04:34 πŸ”— ealgase but
04:34 πŸ”— Flashfire I dont intend to be disrespectful and I certainly hope that wasnt waving the flag in your face like you said
04:35 πŸ”— SketchCow ealgase: I am kind of hoping you will shut up
04:35 πŸ”— ealgase (ok then, lol)
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04:35 πŸ”— ealgase (nevermind)
04:36 πŸ”— Flashfire I see both sides personally i think it should be darked but in the end I can see why you would want it deleted and would respect that if that is the decision you make
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04:38 πŸ”— Flashfire Do as you see fit SketchCow
04:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Oh, thanks for the permission
04:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Whew
04:38 πŸ”— SketchCow I have been hanging out in Amsterdam for two days, and I am now walking into this
04:38 πŸ”— Flashfire You dont need my permission apologies if it sounded that way. I mean no disrespect and will humbly keep my cakehole shut
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04:40 πŸ”— SketchCow It looks like the solution that ealgase took, when a community had concerns, was to go flying in there and just fucking lay it on how "we" worked and they didn't even understand who "we" are and now we have dozens of people furious at archive team for no reason.
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04:40 πŸ”— joshua_ SketchCow, re: twitter: *are* you preserving the SAF somehow?
04:40 πŸ”— SketchCow SAF?
04:40 πŸ”— joshua_ SA Forums
04:40 πŸ”— SketchCow I believe we've done some runs over the years.
04:40 πŸ”— joshua_ because, like, god, if ther ehas ever been something on deathwatch, it's frickin' Lowtax.
04:41 πŸ”— SketchCow ealgase: How the fuck long have you been in #archiveteam
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04:41 πŸ”— ealgase not that long... i didnt mean to represent the community and ill admit i totally fucked up here
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04:42 πŸ”— SketchCow You did
04:42 πŸ”— SketchCow you're out
04:42 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to be cleaning this for a week
04:42 πŸ”— SketchCow sets mode: +b *!*ealgase@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net
04:42 πŸ”— ealgase was kicked by SketchCow (ealgase)
04:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Jesus waffles christ
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05:09 πŸ”— wp494_ I've only seen bits and pieces of this debacle but:
05:09 πŸ”— wp494_ >people: posts stuff to public services
05:09 πŸ”— wp494_ >other people: oh that looks neat, control+S/wpull
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05:10 πŸ”— wp494_ >people: surprisedpikachu.jpg
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05:12 πŸ”— wp494 but if it's a mess that needs cleaning up for whatever reason then w/e
05:12 πŸ”— wp494 free shrugs on my part
05:15 πŸ”— wp494 IMO whatever happened to the whole "if you don't want it saved don't post it to begin with" philosophy we were teaching kids in school about the Dangers of the World Wide Web And Why It's A Horrible Thing
05:16 πŸ”— wp494 at first 4chan boards were like "ew" to the concept of archiving all the crap they did and then lots of years later they were like "yeah well ok it's here to stay i guess"
05:17 πŸ”— wp494 that's just my 2c
05:17 πŸ”— astrid i've been beating the drum for years of "we archive PUBLISHED material, not PUBLIC material" but apparently very few people agree with me
05:19 πŸ”— wp494 people still retain the rights to their shit anyway even if the "custodians" change hands, if they want to revoke their license, just DMCA it and move on
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06:05 πŸ”— SketchCow I had a lovely dinner last night with Arkiver and his family
06:05 πŸ”— astrid oh nice!
06:06 πŸ”— Flashfire awesome
06:08 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, told his dad and mom all sorts of cool things and looks like Arkiver is visiting the US this year
06:09 πŸ”— yipdw sweet
06:14 πŸ”— wp494 neat.jpg
06:14 πŸ”— wp494 on an unrelated note: "Making something public is not the same as consenting to having it stored for all eternity"
06:14 πŸ”— * wp494 facedesks
06:14 πŸ”— yipdw i've been saying that in here for years
06:15 πŸ”— * astrid points to the drum circle
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06:21 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm going to get prose.zone blocked out
06:22 πŸ”— SketchCow When we have time, I'll chat with folks about that mastodon list
06:22 πŸ”— SketchCow But I think those are the two main "Your private diary, but in public" ones
06:23 πŸ”— kpcyrd the author of pleroma pointed out that this also applies to google+, which, I think, is fair. The lines between "public private data" and "public published data" is extremly blurry. What's the best way to avoid something like this in the future?
06:23 πŸ”— SketchCow Different
06:24 πŸ”— SketchCow Pleroma better take the warning and gin up the tech
06:31 πŸ”— wp494 >berries had A LOT of minors who didn’t give any kind of consent to have their posts archived.
06:31 πŸ”— wp494 Holy fuck they're whining about knowingly shitting on COPPA
06:31 πŸ”— wp494 even the root mastodon.social has this silver nugget buried in their TOS: "If this server is in the USA: Our site, products and services are all directed to people who are at least 13 years old. If you are under the age of 13, per the requirements of COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) do not use this site."
06:32 πŸ”— wp494 which becomes golden in the EU because GDPR where that 13 becomes a whopping 16
06:32 πŸ”— * wp494 facedesks x1000
06:32 πŸ”— SketchCow Maybe calm down
06:34 πŸ”— PurpleSym Are we caving on this one because of the angry mob in our garden or because someone forgot the internet was a public space?
06:36 πŸ”— Flashfire I think it is the mob
06:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah, that's me. Afraid of mobs
06:37 πŸ”— SketchCow Super fear
06:37 πŸ”— yipdw wow, I didn't think someone would drag out The Mob this quickly
06:37 πŸ”— yipdw +1 for speed
06:37 πŸ”— wp494 1 vs. 100
06:37 πŸ”— yipdw yes, I know what a mob is
06:38 πŸ”— SketchCow He's in Chicago
06:38 πŸ”— yipdw yeah
06:38 πŸ”— yipdw don't tell me what a mob is
06:38 πŸ”— yipdw I am the mob
06:38 πŸ”— SketchCow If he doesn't know what a mob is, HE WILL
06:38 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, I sense some amount of confusion on the part of you fucksticks
06:38 πŸ”— astrid mob is like cops, but they collect their own taxes
06:38 πŸ”— SketchCow There's two ways to look at a mob
06:39 πŸ”— SketchCow "A group is asking for an unfair or unpleasant thing and they're trying to overwhelm with sheer numbers"
06:39 πŸ”— SketchCow or
06:39 πŸ”— SketchCow "This large and growing set of people are indicating something's fucked, and maybe that's an indication that deep down, something is fucked"
06:40 πŸ”— SketchCow Archive team is a nuclear powered laser with a line into the wayback machine, the #1 go-to for web history searching
06:41 πŸ”— SketchCow We can take something that died 20 seconds ago and have it in wayback in 10 minutes.
06:41 πŸ”— SketchCow It is obvious that mastodon instances are their own thing, and that they are a new thing
06:41 πŸ”— SketchCow and they do things (like federation) that aren't as simple as "be a site"
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Now, one of you "an heros" are free to go off and archive instances and have a great time
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow But until a little more time is thought through, it's not going to be Ateam infrastructure vacuuming things up
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Is that clear?
06:42 πŸ”— SketchCow Does that make sense?
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06:49 πŸ”— hook54321 Agreed
06:57 πŸ”— SketchCow P.S. If you DO decide to leaf off into a more radicalized faction of archive team, be sure to have a snappy name
06:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Like WARCfist
06:57 πŸ”— SketchCow Instead of, like, "The People's Front of Web Archiving and Perpetual Drive Space"
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07:52 πŸ”— Sanqui No more hiding behind the group factor, eh? I tend to hope that when I run into a conflict of interest, somebody else archives the thing for me lol
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10:18 πŸ”— SketchCow My specific issue with thid kid was going to a mastodon instance and solo slamming our ideas and throwing out ideas as a representative
10:18 πŸ”— SketchCow I ask people to come here.
10:18 πŸ”— SketchCow you are all still dicks but then we are all sharing the discussion
10:18 πŸ”— SketchCow by the time he was done, some people thought he was an IA employee
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11:12 πŸ”— Sanqui yeah but I literally don't know what more can we do to stop people from conflating IA and AT
11:14 πŸ”— JAA ealgase certainly could've done more to avoid that, and also to clarify that their posts are just their personal opinion, not AT's.
11:15 πŸ”— JAA And I agree, the communication part is absolutely the worst part of this whole story.
11:48 πŸ”— SketchCow mastodon was a mess. I'm fine with taking the L on this round.
11:54 πŸ”— SketchCow somewhere, ealgase feels wronged
12:00 πŸ”— Igloo Good intentions, Bad deployment
12:07 πŸ”— JAA Fusl: ATrescue was nothing in comparison to this.
12:10 πŸ”— hook54321 ^
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14:45 πŸ”— kpcyrd what was ATrescue?
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15:34 πŸ”— eythian SketchCow: ah, guess I missed you in ams. I ended up very busy. On the other hand, I think I'm now going to go bike through the car tunnel under the IJ while I still can.
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20:35 πŸ”— Bajoodle Alright, I'll try here then :)
20:35 πŸ”— Igloo Hey!
20:36 πŸ”— Bajoodle Hi! :)
20:36 πŸ”— Igloo Ok, So ask away
20:36 πŸ”— Bajoodle Started running the warrior a few days ago and thought I could help a bit out, as I have some space/ressources to spare on my server
20:37 πŸ”— Bajoodle Just to be sure - how heavy is the Archivebot on the server? I.e. in terms of bandwidth/CPU?
20:37 πŸ”— Igloo Ok, So the warrior and archivebot are very different. The warrior if it goes down isn't such a problem, but archivebot pipelines tend to need to stay online
20:37 πŸ”— astrid yep
20:38 πŸ”— Bajoodle Yeah, this is generally always online - unless it crashes for some reason
20:38 πŸ”— Igloo And we generally don't give out permission to connect in a new pipeline to new people (no offence), as it is a nightmare when things go down.
20:38 πŸ”— Bajoodle I completely understand! :)
20:38 πŸ”— Igloo I know we are bringing back NewsBuddy
20:38 πŸ”— Igloo Which is like ArchiveBot, But for news
20:39 πŸ”— Igloo That will need resources when it's back up and running - That would be an ideal place to lend resources
20:39 πŸ”— Igloo As it's less picky about being online as it's warrior based
20:39 πŸ”— t3 Bajoodle: Additionally, users who want to contribute to running an ArchiveBot pipeline are generally required to stay on the IRC channels or the wiki for a while. It's part of commitment. Things would slow down if a user were to not be committed.
20:40 πŸ”— t3 Actually, a lot of improvements can still be made with the ArchiveBot and Warrior codebases.
20:40 πŸ”— astrid unfortunately it can take half a year to shut down an archivebot pipeline cleanly, so we can't just let anyone run it
20:40 πŸ”— Bajoodle Igloo & t3 - I understand! Just wanted to check if I was able to help with something other than the warrior as this 1gbps/xTB is rarely utilised completely anyway
20:41 πŸ”— * astrid nods quietly
20:41 πŸ”— astrid the struggle is real
20:41 πŸ”— Bajoodle might as well put it to some use somewhere :)
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20:41 πŸ”— t3 Bajoodle: Sure thing. That's totally fine. We all want to contribute in some way. I'm glad you asked.
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20:42 πŸ”— Igloo Stick around, (probably grab a proper irc client / use irssi on your server)
20:42 πŸ”— Igloo We can *always* use resources.
20:42 πŸ”— Igloo We're just overly protective of the archivebot
20:43 πŸ”— t3 Additionally, its very beneficial to help work on the code for the projects. There are always more projects that can be started sooner rather than later.
20:43 πŸ”— t3 A lot of code stuff, in general.
20:43 πŸ”— Igloo Newsbuddy is on my list
20:43 πŸ”— Igloo I've got most of it ready to relaunch
20:43 πŸ”— Igloo That'll consume whatever we can throw at it
20:44 πŸ”— t3 Nice.
20:44 πŸ”— Igloo Just another 24 hours in a day would be beneficial :)
20:44 πŸ”— t3 Bajoodle: You can also take a stab at the repositories here: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam
20:45 πŸ”— Bajoodle t3: Thanks! I'll have a look
20:45 πŸ”— t3 Bajoodle: The important ones are https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull and https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot.
20:47 πŸ”— t3 Bajoodle: There's a need to make wpull faster and more efficient. That will speed up everything.
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21:55 πŸ”— HCross Igloo: my server is still about for that, let me know when you're ready :)
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23:36 πŸ”— SketchCow driving home
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23:58 πŸ”— Flashfire Don’t text and drive
23:58 πŸ”— Flashfire - sent from my Motorbike
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