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... as i've always suspected, i doubt square-enix has source code to anything preserved from before ff9 in 2000, with the exception of FF7, and only because eidos were persistent in sending them copies of it when they lost it at least twice [05:46] I'm guessing the new ff8 hd rerelease was done by painstakingly disassembling the old executables [05:47] afaik with ff7, the story i heard goes: [05:47] less than 6 months after the release of final fantasy 7 for psx, eidos went to squaresoft and asked if they could do a PC port; square gave the ok, and eidos asked for the source code... apparently it was already gone, but square managed to dig up an at least 3 month old beta source code, which was extremely buggy [05:48] eidos spent quite some time patching this up to match the final release, including removing dialog for scenes which had been removed in the final version [05:48] despite all this, the very first pressing of cds for the pc version was not completable due to a script bug [05:48] eidos eventually released a patch for this, and had savegame files on their bbs to get past the broken script [05:48] eidos sent the source code to their pc port to squaresoft after they were done [05:49] ...and they lost it *AGAIN*, I heard. [05:50] i believe the steam rerelease of ff7 pc version is based on the eidos code, but whether its the whole source code, or a disassembled version based on a symbols file someone dug up, i don't know. i sort of suspect the latter [05:51] the 3d rendering engine in the late 90s eidos pc port was very buggy, and worked correctly on 3dfx glide drivers due to other bugs in the drivers themselves [05:51] and the 3dfx minigl thing; so porting it to modern opengl required a bunch of fixes [05:51] fans had made patches to fix many of the bugs in the interim, so its possible those were integrated to the steam port [05:52] anyhow, i suspect there is no surviving source except anything devs "took home" for anything squaresoft made before 2000 [05:52] final fantasy 9, released in 2000, DID have surviving source code, but when square closed their sub-studio in hawaii they lost the original 3d models for the background graphics, and the hi-res renders [05:53] one of the artists "took home" copies of the hi-res scenes he worked on, and those have survived [05:53] but nothing else afaik [05:55] one interesting oddity: I have a funny feeling that Nasir Gebelli, who worked on FF1, FF2, and secret of mana (and a few other squaresoft games) might still have the source code for the stuff he worked on. I have no proof of this, but he was an old apple2 scene coder, so i sort of suspect he may have it... [05:55] Have you tried asking him? 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