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[16:16] # Download best video formats that are 1080p or smaller. Prefer mp4/m4a(aac), mp4/mp3, webm/webm(opus), otherwise whatever you can get. [16:16] -f bestvideo[height<=?1080][ext=mp4]+bestaudio[ext=m4a]/bestvideo[height<=?1080][ext=mp4]+bestaudio[ext=mp3]/bestvideo[height<=?1080][ext=webm]+bestaudio[ext=webm]/best[height<=?1080]/best [16:17] by default, youtube-dl incorrectly mixes mp4/webm(opus) into a sloppy .mkv file that should be set on fire. [16:17] *** schbirid has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:17] the devs insist they won't fix this. [16:38] Yeah the mkv is not good as it won't play in any browser [16:43] *** Stilettoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:45] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [16:50] Raccoon: i mean isn't the MKV just a container with the original sources packaged? [16:51] it does make sense as it doesn't transcode anything and keeps the original sources, for normal replay on a end device it is i would say a good solution [16:51] ofc browsers most likely don't have mkv container support so yeah [16:51] would AVI be different though? [16:56] *** Stiletto has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:04] *** Stilettoo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [17:05] luckcolor: from a purist / archivist point of view... mp4 video streams should only be paired with aac or mp3 audio. webm video streams should only be paired with webm audio. mixing these formats serves no purpose except to elimiate the amount of hardware that can playback these cockup formats [17:06] not even youtube will mix mp4 with webm on their website [17:07] *** archghost has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [17:07] if you have a lot of videos downloaded with youtube-dl already, you might work through downloading them again correctly [17:08] i mean if youtube-dl downloads the highest bitrate for video in format x and audio in format y i don't see the issue [17:08] you can't compare bitrates between m4a and webm. it's unrelated. [17:09] the objective is to use proper file formats and not mish-mash containers that can't be played back in 80 years [17:10] But another objective is preserving it at the best quality possible. So what do you do if an MP4 has the best video and an Opus stream has the best audio? [17:10] mp4/m4a or mp4/mp3 or webm/webm and you'll not piss everyone off in 80 years [17:10] i mean [17:10] (Disregarding for a second how you determine what's the "best".) [17:10] VLC can play them just fine [17:10] opus doesn't even have the best audio [17:10] aac is a much better encoder [17:10] 'what if' [17:10] blame youtube i guess [17:11] nothing to blame youtube. blame youtube-dl [17:11] i mean a fileformat support can just be implemented [17:11] Replace the codecs I mentioned above with whatever other "incompatible" combination you think fits then... [17:12] if you want to see how fucked up it is, take your mkv videos on a USB stick to walmart and see how many display TVs will play it [17:12] then use the config I posted above and try it [17:12] Yeah, because TVs are known to have real high-quality software on them. [17:12] youtube-dl --download-archive "/strada/ydl.log" -i --add-metadata --all-subs --embed-subs --embed-thumbnail --match-filter "playlist_title != 'Liked videos' & playlist_title != 'Favorites'" -f [17:12] "(bestvideo[vcodec^=av01][height>=1080][fps>30]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9.2][height>=1080][fps>30]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9][height>=1080][fps>30]/bestvideo[vcodec^=av01][height>=1080]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9.2][height>=1080]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9][height>=1080]/bestvideo[height>=1080]/bestvideo[vcodec^=av01][height>=720][fps>30]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9.2][height>=720][fps>30]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9][height>=720][fps>30]/best [17:12] video[vcodec^=av01][height>=720]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9.2][height>=720]/bestvideo[vcodec=vp9][height>=720]/bestvideo[height>=720]/bestvideo)+(bestaudio[acodec=opus]/bestaudio)/best" --merge-output-format mkv -o "%cd%/%%(playlist_uploader)s/%%(playlist)s/%%(playlist_index)s - %%(title)s - %%(id)s.%%(ext)s" "${@}" [17:13] this is mine [17:13] Just grab a copy of lvc and you'll be fine for the next 80 years [17:13] or ffmpeg [17:13] if you want your archive to be accessable to poor mongolian-indian-africans using 30 year old televisions that were donated to them [17:13] you'll care [17:13] library 101 [17:13] I care about accessibility as much as I care about quality. [17:14] mkv is just a sloppy zip file that some codecs happen to read [17:14] let's avoid using it [17:14] Arguably even less, actually. Because as long as the best signal is preserved, it can always be transformed into something accessible. [17:14] from https://www.reddit.com/r/DataHoarder/comments/c6fh4x/after_hoarding_over_50k_youtube_videos_here_is/ [17:14] But if you only store the worse signal to begin with... [17:15] but aac is always the better signal than opus [17:15] encoder / decoder comparison rankings [17:16] what about webm [17:16] perhaps it's just a higher bitrate to compensate for crappiness [17:16] webm is opus [17:17] i mean that's what youtube uses for 4k videos [17:17] look for the article where the guy re-encodes all the different audio formats 1000 times over, and gives a subjective rating of how terrible each one is and why [17:18] atleast that's what i see it use i've seen i'ìve only looked at a handfull of videos [17:18] youtube makes both formats available [17:18] unless they don't now. I don't really 4k [17:18] It all depends on the encoder settings. Always. [17:19] @JAA isn't then bitrate a good measurement value? [17:19] Maybe within the same codec, but otherwise no. [17:19] right [17:19] I don't even 60fps unless there's a specific high speed subject/object to track. [17:20] 30 is a better cinematic framerate [17:20] 50k YouTube videos eh [17:20] *** Dumbass has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:20] For example, Opus bitrates are always lower than e.g. MP3 ones, simply because Opus is better/more efficient at encoding the signal. [17:20] ivan_: shhhhh [17:20] shush! [17:21] Oh link tells me how to not get the Liked videos [17:21] Raccoon: you can't say though that if i a video is rendered in 60 fps has worse quality though [17:21] same coded settings ofc [17:21] *codec [17:21] luckcolor: no. but worse portability and hardware compatability [17:22] depends on if the video really necessitates 60fps [17:22] i was talking in a general sense but sure [17:22] sure [17:22] So you don't care about quality at all? [17:22] actually, there is one condition about quality [17:23] 60 fps is a lower quality than 30 fps in the cinematic arts [17:23] when and where 30 fps creates a familiar fantasy-like viewing experience [17:23] as in 24/30 frame film [17:24] it looks awkward and weird when filmed and played at 60 [17:24] That doesn't make any sense. [17:24] never film a fiction fantasy adventure at 60 [17:24] If all other encoder settings are equal/adjusted accordingly, the higher framerate video will have more information in it than the lower one. [17:24] er, don't play it back at 60 [17:24] Assuming appropriate source material, of course. [17:24] films stored on vinyl are best anyways [17:24] There's 4K content on YouTube that makes sense to grab at 4K [17:25] not all 4k is 60 fps though, is it [17:25] E.g. train cab views [17:25] Raccoon ofc it isn't [17:25] I don't know what youtube's rules are [17:25] Right [17:26] Also pretty sure opus is better than AAC [17:26] MP3 all the things [17:26] is mp4 also better than webm video? [17:26] but you really know whats best? [17:26] FLAC [17:27] blue bits [17:27] @Fusl: Good old GLORIOUS flac [17:27] blue bits? [17:27] sexually frustrated bits? [17:27] i store all my music in flac :P [17:27] no, bits colored blue. you can see the difference there [17:28] Racoon: might depend on the source content and resolution because VP9 and h264 behaviors vary and YouTube has pushed bitrate down for both [17:28] @Fusl: unfortunately not all music is released equally most is lossy [17:28] thanks for yt [17:28] and spotyloss [17:28] i buy my music in WAV and RIFF format [17:28] right [17:28] luckcolor: yes DAD [17:28] what DAD [17:29] why [17:29] digital to analog to digital [17:29] ie, BMG music CDs [17:29] rather than DDD [17:29] i mean you only converto to digital once [17:29] no [17:29] yeah if you're copying a CD or vynyl that is [17:29] they would take digital tape, use analog equipment, to drop onto digital disc [17:29] because they were fuck tards [17:30] rather than reading it digital, and printing it [17:30] D.A.D. [17:31] I've downloaded 700GB of videos with bestvideo[height <=? 1080]+bestaudio/best[height <=? 1080]/best have I done this wrong? :p [17:31] no wonder modern music is so bad [17:31] fortunally i don't listen to CD's then [17:31] best to listen to a steaming hot flac [17:31] directly from the DAW [17:31] >:D [17:31] @Fusl: [17:34] JAA: apparently there are a good dozen or so videos like this one on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAp5-dndYAE [17:35] espousing that 24 is better than 60 fps in film [17:38] text is also more readable if lines are not longer than 80 characters [17:39] you are arguing about an aspect of film making [17:39] Raccoon: you should read the comment section of the video too [17:39] which is quite irrelevant if one cares about archiving the best possible or most "complete" version of any video [17:39] luckcolor, sure. but I will tend to agree with the 'motion blur' familiarity and emersion principle [17:40] schbirid: naa, i was arguing against people using 60 except where needed. as far as archiving goes, you can't even select 30 on sites or videos that utilize 60 to start [17:40] unless you drop to 480 [17:41] i would say it all comes down to what you are doing [17:41] be it codec, resolution, bitrate, FPS [17:41] agreed. context sensitive [17:41] sure you can argue that movies are made in 24 FPS [17:41] but can also be made in 60 FPS [17:42] here, just watch this segment for 30 seconds. https://youtu.be/nAp5-dndYAE?t=162 [17:42] summarizes my point there [17:45] isnt exactly that part debunked by the pinned, first comment [17:46] i don't know if motion blur is what makes anything more realistic [17:46] like it sure is a part but same goes for other things [17:46] also schbirid: yeah [17:47] debunked? he's talking about head movements and cheap video games. he doesn't exactly disagree with the science behind the demonstration conducted in the video [17:48] even the nomansky example is a pretty irrefutable example of how high framerate makes a fantasy reality look fake. [17:49] plastic [17:49] yes, youtuplainer videos tend to nicely illustrate their arguments [17:49] what's your point anyways [17:50] It'll be intersting if Disney releases a Star Wars in 60 fps. Just sayin' [17:52] *** Dumbass has quit IRC (Leaving) [17:53] again it comes down to what you're doing be it a movie, a game won't be more immersive just because you set it at 24 FPS you can actually notived the difference betwhen 30 and 60 fps in a game [17:53] and still when it comes to archival grabbing the highest rsolution and quality for audio and video is the way to go [17:54] i'm sure youtube does mix and match codecs when playing videos when you select highest quality [17:54] the entire reason they do have the option is to provide support to different browsers/devices and offeren different quality and bitrates [17:57] taske this video for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bey4XXJAqS8 [17:57] on my machine if i set it to 4K it uses both for audio and video the opus codec [17:58] i just tried to set it to 720p and this time instead it used mp4 for video and opus for audio [17:58] even if the video does have a 720p webm encode avilable [17:59] you can check this yourself by right clicking on the video and clocking on "show statistics" [18:00] and comparing the codec names with what youtube-dl -F prints out on the same video [18:00] *cliking [18:02] so i guess if youtube does it why can't youtube-dl do the same [18:02] Raccoon: and with that i leave you [18:05] but think of the inner mongolians who won't be able to watch mkv files on their donated used 30 year old Emerson televisions. [18:06] they can go take a copy of the MKV grab a copy of ffmpeg and conver the video [18:06] or use VLC on any of those android tv sticks that cost literally nothing [18:07] and still if you wanted to just give an mp4 to them you can [18:07] just you have to do that thing with ffmpeg on the mkv [18:07] 24/30/60/120 fps: i can literally /see/ the stuttering in 30 fps movies and tv shows, hence i never really watch movies unless they can be interpolated to 60 fps, same goes with youtube videos: https://svp-team.com/ is a good software for this that i'm happily paying for and does a very good job of not making me dizzy watching these kind of videos [18:10] also, i spent tens of thousands of dollars on a pc so that it doesn't dip below 90 fps during games or else they are not enjoyable [18:10] see. higher fps /does/ matter for some people [18:11] wow. you should get your head examined. literally, to figure out your super-human optic nerve system [18:13] does most fluorescent and LED lighting give you migraines? [18:13] fusl their head, you your brain [18:13] *** schbirid has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [18:13] Raccoon: they do [18:14] only some do for me, esp if they're starch white blue light. [18:14] LED isn't as bad anymore as it used to be [18:14] the philips hue ones are especially good at not doing 50hz flickering [18:14] I can't handle lighting over 5000K [18:15] everything becomes somewhat monochromatic to me [18:15] oh that, yeah. i hate those white blue colored lights they use in e.g. hospitals, clinics, dentists, doctors, etc. [18:15] hence i hate going there [18:15] schools. 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