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00:06 πŸ”— JAA Basically, it should always go into the most specific channel. This is the general chat channel, #warrior is for warrior stuff (as in, issues and development of the VM), #yahoosucks in this case is for this project. So #yahoosucks is where this should go.
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02:42 πŸ”— Rotzer Hello, could anyone download http://game299716.konggames.com/gamez/0029/9716/live and https://game306509.konggames.com/gamez/0030/6509/live/index.html with Chromebot? These are some Kongregate games that I want to play offline using pywb. The problem is that since they are made in Javascript when loading, it also load additional files so it is impossible to download them in a conventional way. I tHello, could anyone download http://
02:42 πŸ”— Rotzer game299716.konggames.com/gamez/0029/9716/live and https://game306509.konggames.com/gamez/0030/6509/live/index.html with Chromebot? These are some Kongregate games that I want to play offline using pywb. The problem is that since they are made in Javascript when loading, it also load additional files so it is impossible to download them in a conventional way.
02:42 πŸ”— Rotzer I tried using crocoite but I couldn't make it work. From already thank you very much.
02:45 πŸ”— Rotzer Sorry about that, sometimes I have trouble sending long messages with this program. I'll try again:
02:45 πŸ”— Rotzer Hello, could anyone download https://game299716.konggames.com/gamez/0029/9716/live and https://game306509.konggames.com/gamez/0030/6509/live/index.html with Chromebot? These are some Kongregate games that I want to play offline using pywb. The problem is that since they are made in Javascript when loading, it also load additional files so it is impossible to download them in a conventional way.
02:45 πŸ”— Rotzer I tried using crocoite but I couldn't make it work. From already thank you very much.
03:01 πŸ”— jodizzle Rotzer: I can throw them in chromebot, sure. But are you sure they'd work in pywb?
03:02 πŸ”— jodizzle I guess it's an interesting test.
03:04 πŸ”— Rotzer I don't know, I installed pywb recently but I think Chromebot should be more precise to download this type of pages. If you're interested, I can try it later and tell you how it turns out.
03:04 πŸ”— jodizzle I have a feeling that all the assets won't be picked up just by Chrombot. I think you would have to play the game to expose all the assets.
03:05 πŸ”— jodizzle That's my suspicion, anyway.
03:06 πŸ”— Rotzer jodizzle, I was playing this with the network monitor open and did not load anything else, apparently the games are fully loaded at the beginning.
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03:08 πŸ”— jodizzle Really? With the first link, just pressing "New Game" seems like it downloads at least one new .ogg file
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03:10 πŸ”— Rotzer Strange, I'm going to clean the cache and do another test.
03:12 πŸ”— jodizzle Anyway, seems like chromebot saved the links. The results will be available as WARCs in about a day.
03:12 πŸ”— jodizzle At this link: https://archive.org/details/archiveteam_chromebot?sort=-publicdate
03:19 πŸ”— Rotzer Thanks, and that's right, the first game load http://game299716.konggames.com/gamez/0029/9716/live/media/breath-done-jzg9hay7(1).ogg when you start a game. Anyway it doesn't bother me much to have it without music.
03:19 πŸ”— Rotzer By the way, if one of these days you decide to archive http://kongregate.com/ you will also have to take into account this type of games.
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03:34 πŸ”— jodizzle Yeah, archiving kongregate would be a substantial task. But I also think there are groups who have been archiving games from those sorts of sites for a long time now.
03:39 πŸ”— Rotzer The problem is that games like Labyrneath and similar could represent a challenge for the way they are made, especially if we consider that Flash is a foot in the grave so these games in "HTML5" will be more and more.
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04:03 πŸ”— Rotzer One question, are there plans to archive http://wattpad.com/ ? I know it's mostly used to write shitty fanfic and stuff like that but it turns out that in archive.org is excluded and it would be nice to have something to look in case for X or Y reason someone decides to delete everything they had written.
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05:51 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Hey all! -Archivist has instructed me to get the attention of someone of you in here for entire site captures, some that are at-risk. He assured me that if I pinged someone in here, you would make sure the site would be ingested and archived properly
05:51 πŸ”— HP_Archiv The sites are as follow:
05:52 πŸ”— HP_Archiv http://thesciencenetwork.org/ http://redump.org/ https://www.barneys.com/
05:52 πŸ”— HP_Archiv For Barneys, see the recent news: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/business/barneys-bankruptcy-authentic-brands.html
05:53 πŸ”— HP_Archiv They claim the online store will remain, but it will likely be shut down over time as well.
05:53 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Can someone make sure these 3 sites and their associated hosted video/photos/data all be captured and archived properly?
05:54 πŸ”— jodizzle HP_Archiv: Sure. Is there any particular motivation behind archiving the first two sites?
05:56 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Hey @jodizzle, yes. The Science Network, though updated occassionally is fairly old. They host all of their conference videos on the site, but Flash based I think. They're responsible for the early 2000's 'Beyond Belief' conferences, see example:
05:56 πŸ”— HP_Archiv https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=neil+degrasse+tyson+beyond+belief
05:56 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Not sure if anyone has archived their site/all of the videos they've produced, but thought I would pass it along.
05:57 πŸ”— HP_Archiv For Redump: -Archivist explained that the owner is fussy and will shut down the site without notice if he suspects someone is trying to scrape it. Not sure if you guys have tried previously, I'm sure you have, but thought I would request it anyway
05:59 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Much appreciated if you guys could make sure these sites are captured. Thank you ^^
06:00 πŸ”— jodizzle Well, none of the sites have been grabbed by us before, so I will queue them up in archivebot. I doubt it will get the Flash video content though (at least not in a way that can be nicely played back), so that may require a more targeted grab at some point.
06:02 πŸ”— jodizzle Also, someone threatening to shut down the site if there's scraping sounds pretty risky, but I guess I'll give it a shot.
06:03 πŸ”— HP_Archiv I just tested one of the videos from a 2014 conference. The player is Flash, but it appears that the video is hosted on the site directly as an .mp4 (not sure if that makes a difference though)
06:03 πŸ”— astrid that actually makes it a lot simpler
06:03 πŸ”— jodizzle Ah, that does make a difference. If the .mp4 is linked in the HTML source somewhere, archivebot will fetch it.
06:03 πŸ”— jodizzle Or in the Javascript source.
06:04 πŸ”— astrid or if you can pluck out a list of urls and !ao< them, it'll work in wayback
06:04 πŸ”— astrid (modulo flash)
06:04 πŸ”— jodizzle Yep, that too.
06:05 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Okay awesome. Yeah, for example, this great discussion - I watched this live online in 2011 - is hosted as a .mov file, with a download video option. But in order to watch on the site you need Flash.
06:05 πŸ”— HP_Archiv http://thesciencenetwork.org/programs/the-great-debate-what-is-life/what-is-life-panel
06:06 πŸ”— HP_Archiv There are many videos, not sure if I have the time to pluck individual links for all of them... But maybe archivebot can fetch, hopefully
06:07 πŸ”— HP_Archiv And yeah, for Redump - it's a massive respository of CD-ROM/video/computer game/disc hashing data. -Archivist mentioned that people have tried to do small scrapes here and there, but without much success per the owner making threats
06:09 πŸ”— jodizzle Ah, there's a "Download Video" link for thesciencenetwork.org, which links out to s3.
06:10 πŸ”— jodizzle No guarantee that all videos will have one, but it's a start.
06:10 πŸ”— jodizzle And sure, I'll try to be careful with Redump.
06:11 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Thank you ^^ If I can be of any assistance, please let me know. Though I don't have too much free time, I'll help in any way I can. I'm new to the online archiving communities, and -Archivist has been great/patient with my requests. He directed me to you guys for entire site archiving.
06:12 πŸ”— jodizzle I'd recommend joining #archivebot if you want to monitor the archiving.
06:14 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Okay cool. Will do. For Redump, I'm actually working on a project for digital preservation of early 2000's Potter PC Games, and among the many entries on there is disc data from all the different Potter games, on different platforms, regions, etc. The small group of people helping me have been in touch with several former developers, a few people from Warner Brothers, and one person out of the LoC's film division for video game pres
06:15 πŸ”— HP_Archiv We're looking for the HP 1 PC game's proto source archive. So that's really the motivation behind seeing Redump archived accordingly.
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06:17 πŸ”— HP_Archiv The Science Network is self explanatory - those conferences/panels are academic/intellectual in nature, worthy of being saved.
06:18 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Barneys has been an iconclastic figure in the NYC landscape/history for many, many decades. Though I've never shopped there, thought it was worth capturing their online store before that goes away too.
06:18 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Anyway, thank you :)
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06:20 πŸ”— Proto_ Ok so, Kd l
06:21 πŸ”— Proto_ I’d like to archive a wiki. It’s called β€œLe Miiverse Resource”. It’s a wiki made for miiverse information
06:21 πŸ”— Proto_ It is going to shut down tomorrow
06:22 πŸ”— astrid we have some wiki archiving tools!
06:22 πŸ”— astrid link me? i can tell you if our tooling works on it
06:22 πŸ”— Proto_ Ok sure
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06:23 πŸ”— Proto__ https://le-miiverse-resource.fandom.com/wiki/Le_Miiverse_Resource_Wiki
06:23 πŸ”— Proto__ Hello?
06:23 πŸ”— astrid hello
06:23 πŸ”— Proto__ Hey
06:23 πŸ”— Proto__ Hey
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06:25 πŸ”— Proto__ Uhh, you there?
06:25 πŸ”— astrid ok cool yeah that works with our tool!
06:25 πŸ”— astrid i'm running it now
06:25 πŸ”— Proto__ Nice!
06:25 πŸ”— Proto__ Thank you!
06:25 πŸ”— astrid might take a few hours
06:26 πŸ”— Proto__ Sweet
06:26 πŸ”— HP_Archiv I actually do have a general question - without being too nosey - what's the long-term plan for data that is captured by you guys? How is it stored, geographically?
06:26 πŸ”— astrid would you like me to email you some info about the dump once i've done it? or would you like to stay around in here?
06:26 πŸ”— Proto__ Email please!
06:26 πŸ”— astrid i'm going to upload it to archive.org, which is physically in the state of california
06:26 πŸ”— Proto__ pr0to13377331@gmail.com
06:26 πŸ”— astrid okay :)
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06:27 πŸ”— Proto__ Thank you soo much
06:27 πŸ”— astrid sure thing :)
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06:28 πŸ”— HP_Archiv @astrid, okay cool. I'm actually located not far from IA HQs in San Francisco. Thanks again for the requests!
06:28 πŸ”— astrid nice
06:29 πŸ”— astrid you should go to one of their friday open-house sessions then :)
06:29 πŸ”— HP_Archiv I just recently located from the North East into SoCal, so it's on my list of things to do :)
06:29 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Anyone can go, right? I don't have an MLIS yet
06:30 πŸ”— astrid yeah i think the main requirement is shoes and a shirt
06:30 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Heh, something tells me that you're half joking considering it's Cali
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06:34 πŸ”— HP_Archiv @astrid, so have a better understanding: For example, once Barneys has been completely archived and put on IA, will I be able to actually download a file and/or search through and view the site as it once was post-capture?
06:35 πŸ”— astrid what is barneys?
06:35 πŸ”— astrid no probably not search
06:35 πŸ”— HP_Archiv https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barneys_New_York
06:35 πŸ”— HP_Archiv https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/01/business/barneys-bankruptcy-authentic-brands.html
06:35 πŸ”— HP_Archiv As mentioned a few minutes ago, they have been a staple and a part of NYC culture for many decades.
06:36 πŸ”— astrid yea oh that barneys
06:36 πŸ”— astrid naw basically nothing is ever perfect fidelity
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06:36 πŸ”— astrid especially fancy corporate things
06:37 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Hm. So how can the capture be parsed? Other words, have can I view the archive job once it's on IA?
06:37 πŸ”— HP_Archiv how can*
06:38 πŸ”— HP_Archiv I'm just a bit confused on how post-archiving works (eg: what good is that capture if it's not easily readable/understandable)
06:39 πŸ”— Kaz https://web.archive.org
06:39 πŸ”— astrid you can seek the .warc that is created from the capture, this has all the request and response headers and pages
06:39 πŸ”— astrid you can browse it on web.archive.org, yes, you may be familiar with how archived web sites are ... sometimes not perfect
06:39 πŸ”— astrid that's what i'm talking about
06:41 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Okay, yeah makes sense. Like I said, I come to the table new at all of this. Thanks for your patience, heh
06:41 πŸ”— markedL often you can see what a page looked like but functions on the original site like search won't run
06:42 πŸ”— HP_Archiv ^^ Right, I didn't think that sort of capture was possible anyway. I guess so long as the look and feel of the site is captured, that's all that matters
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07:30 πŸ”— HP_Archiv @astrid, one more link for you guys, https://www.moddb.com/
07:30 πŸ”— astrid ?
07:30 πŸ”— HP_Archiv This site is dedicated to game modders, who upload custom maps/files, etc. Do you think you can archive it?
07:31 πŸ”— astrid Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
07:31 πŸ”— astrid we can archive anything
07:32 πŸ”— astrid i should just be clear, i havent started any jobs on your behalf, im not really in a state to safely drive archivebot tonight
07:32 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Heh, well I'm wondering if the hosted files uploaded by individual users would be captured too? Example, custom maps on this: https://www.moddb.com/games/harry-potter-and-the-sorcerers-stone/addons
07:33 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Ah okay, well, I did notice that someone did. I checked archivebot and all 3 earlier requests are being worked on
07:33 πŸ”— astrid cool!
07:34 πŸ”— HP_Archiv I would do all of this myself, but it seems #archiveteam functions in a by-request nature
07:34 πŸ”— HP_Archiv Perhaps if someone else can submit https://www.moddb.com/ for archiving, that would be great
07:35 πŸ”— HP_Archiv But no rush, enjoy your night, @astrid :)
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19:08 πŸ”— markedL Where does one find, warc-tiny ?
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19:09 πŸ”— JAA markedL: https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/blob/master/warc-tiny
19:12 πŸ”— markedL thx, quite the treasure trove / war chest
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19:50 πŸ”— SketchCow JAA: Obviously, don't mail Danny again.
19:52 πŸ”— JAA Yup
19:53 πŸ”— JAA Also, did you know we're a company now?
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19:55 πŸ”— jrwr Do we go all fuck the police on them?
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19:59 πŸ”— Kaz problem is
20:00 πŸ”— Kaz their site is *so shit* it falls over when we do that
20:00 πŸ”— Kaz that's the whole proble
20:00 πŸ”— Kaz m
20:00 πŸ”— SketchCow Anyway, I'll let you know if he's suing
20:02 πŸ”— SketchCow But I'm not giving ANY of your names
20:03 πŸ”— astrid since the beginning of archiveteam i can count the number of times that a site's management cooperated ... the number is approximately three
20:04 πŸ”— astrid gitorious is probably the greatest success here
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20:15 πŸ”— JAA Hmm, I can think of at least four I was involved with, but to be fair, those were rather small sites, and those are more likely to cooperate I guess.
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21:28 πŸ”— britmob So.. would something like IRC logs hold up in a court?
21:28 πŸ”— JAA Let's not find out, ok?
21:29 πŸ”— JAA Has anyone looked into the Microsoft documentation deletion thing? https://old.reddit.com/r/sysadmin/comments/dshfbh/psa_microsoft_is_deleting_legacy_ie_documentation/
21:34 πŸ”— JAA odemgi: ^ ?
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21:34 πŸ”— britmob Oh yeah I really don't want to know. But I am definitely curious.
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21:38 πŸ”— britmob https://imgur.com/a/gbyJX9r Let's not forget about this either.
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