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A recursive crawl would probably work quite well, but it'd take a long time. |
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^^ It's not like it's an at-risk site at the moment. But at the same time, I feel like it's one of those sites that should be backed up |
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The Wikipedia page for UD is funny: "At the start of 2014, the dictionary had over seven million definitions, while 2,000 new entries were being added daily." and "In February 2019, the dictionary had over 1,500 words to define, while 4 new words were being added weekly." Uh yeah, no way both of these are true. |
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JAA |
The source for the latter is a page that no longer exists, and the WBM doesn't have it either. I thought IA was archiving all Wikipedia outlinks continuously since sometime last year? |
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We are |
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Wonder why https://www.urbandictionary.com/yesterday.php?date=2019-02-19 was missed then. |
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In any case, twelve pages of words were added yesterday, so clearly that number is wrong: https://www.urbandictionary.com/yesterday.php?date=2019-11-18 |
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Apparently, UD has been around for 20 years. I didn't know it was that old ^^ |
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^ Added to the wiki. By the way, that page needs a serious cleanup sometime. Quite a few things aren't accurate anymore. |
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It's one of those sites that gets worse the more popular it becomes. |
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Dallas |
If I grabbed a site myself (14GB) can I upload it to IA ? it has been grabbed before but doesn't look like the whole site was I think |
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Raccoon |
You can upload collections to IA. Archive files should be organzied to 10 GB chunks or smaller for usability and storage tetris. If you mean WaybackMachine, then I don't know anything. |
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HP_Archiv |
Out of curiosity, what's the site Dallas? |
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Dallas |
https://www.phoenixsong.net/ |
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Dallas |
Ah yeah I was thinking wayback |
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HP_Archiv |
Oh very cool ^^ |
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HP_Archiv |
HP = Harry Potter :) |
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HP_Archiv |
So how did you capture the entire site? |
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Dallas |
I'm going through obscure fan fiction sites since a lot of the php-00's-messageboard type sites randomly go down :( |
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Dallas |
Oh coooool |
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Dallas |
https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/grab-site |
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Dallas |
I'm running this |
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Dallas |
Also grabbing siye atm |
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Dallas |
And fanfic.net but I expect that to take forever |
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Dallas |
And other suggestions I'll add them to my grab :D |
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HP_Archiv |
Hm, is this method the same thorough way that #archiveteam-bs Ops members use? |
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Dallas |
It's the same as #archivebot uses so yeah probably |
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HP_Archiv |
I would double check that. Ops/voice command is used for site-wide archiving |
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Dallas |
I grabbed this https://www.ultimatehpfanfiction.com/ with #archivebot but it's some weird java applet so doesn't render amazingly |
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Dallas |
what do you mean? I've hosted my own instance of grab-site so I'm the only OP on that one :D |
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HP_Archiv |
Oh, in other words, whenever I've requested an entire site capture in #archiveteam-bs they usually say I need to be an Ops or ask one of the Ops to do it, so it's done properly |
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Dallas |
ohh yeah, so the software used to do that is administered via the bot on here, but since I have my own instance of it running on my server I can run whatever one's I want on it :D |
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HP_Archiv |
eg: I don't know if the Github repo does is properly or as thoroughly |
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HP_Archiv |
So it's exactly the same process? |
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Dallas |
Yeah it's exactly the same, if you want to run one as part of the pool for irc you follow the instructions on that github and then just hand control over to the ops basically |
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Raccoon |
If I had to guess, the IA doesn't want "just anybody" importing records to the WBM for security/trust reasons. (virus malware injection) |
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Raccoon |
(or even simple falsification of history) |
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HP_Archiv |
Right, that's why I'm wondering if a localized process ensures that a proper capture is done vs requesting one of the Ops to do it manually |
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markedL |
HP_Archiv, if you want personal archives you can do what Dallas is doing. it's the same software opensource |
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markedL |
there's a little bit art in how to operate a grab, but you learn that by doing/experience |
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markedL |
if it's personal, you're the only consumer. but because WBM is somewhat authoritative, there needs to be a quality standard |
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Dallas |
Most of these sites are pretty static so luckily these aren't to hard to do but I need to view back some of them to make sure they're up to scratch for the WBM |
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HP_Archiv |
Exactly. So really I view archiving activities as non-personal, no matter what it is, pertaining to my interests or not |
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Dallas |
Any tips markedL ? |
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HP_Archiv |
Which is why I'd go the route of doing requests vs locally, unless I had the same skill/expertise as one of the Ops on here |
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markedL |
Dallas, I don't have the magic keys into the WBM, but just how to do QA, I use https://github.com/webrecorder/webrecorder-player |
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HP_Archiv |
That's just me though ^^ I applaud anyone doing it manually/putting effort to archive anything. I just would be weary of doing it myself as I want to ensure standards/protocol is followed correctly |
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markedL |
usually you'll be OK unless there's Javascript, Flash, Java need some more observations |
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Dallas |
ah cool I'll give that a go,actually do you know of a version that can run on a server since the WARC is on one of my remote boxes |
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HP_Archiv |
markedL exactly, yeah, a lot of older sites that are in need of archiving use those sorts of elements |
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JAA |
Dallas: Upload the WARCs into an item with a metadata field mediatype:web (e.g. `ia upload ... --metadata=mediatype:web`). However, it won't go into the WBM unless your account is whitelisted. |
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Dallas |
oh okay cool ty |
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Dallas |
JAA where do you get the ia cli tool ?? |
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Dallas: The "internetarchive" Python package. I believe it's packaged on Debian as well now. |
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Dallas |
ahh, ty |
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JAA |
Yup, included in Buster: https://packages.debian.org/buster/internetarchive |
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markedL |
will pywb playback a warc from a remote server? |
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anarcat |
courtesy of yours truly |
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<3 |
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Awesome |
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So running the pywb wayback server is pretty close to what you'd see in WBM then ? |
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Dallas |
btw HP_Archiv these are the site's I'm grabbing atm http://62.210.208.168:29000/ |
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Dallas |
I need to get that on a subdomain but I'm using trafik which makes it a pain :/ |
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pywb is better at playing back interactive content, but otherwise, yes, it's similar. |
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Awsome |
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Awesome* |
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Ryz |
I'm not sure if this is brought up too, are we also going to save YouTube comments too due to revised COPPA rules supposedly? |
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I'm not sure if the 'Not for kids' thing is a thing to opt-out from or opt-in, because if it's opt-in (as in, you have to tell YouTube that your channel is not for kids), there are probably millions of YouTube channels that would by default have their comments from their videos wiped out |
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I don't know about millions, but it's going to be wild. I think perhaps there's a chance many stale / abandoned channels will become $for_kids channels, if they do not respond. |
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One of the drawbacks I anticipate a $for_kids channel will experience, is the prohabition on targeted ads. No targeted ads means loss of revenue stream. Mainly content creators are going to abandon YouTube, especially those who do animated (cartoon) content, which will feel the brunt of the change. |
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If you want to archive comments, start with videos of cartoons, toy reviews / collectors, and probably girl-stuff channels like makeup application and fashion. |
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they're allowed contextual ads, but not tracking ads |
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In a worse-case scenario, all educational content like Smarter Every Day will get nailed as $for_kids, probably vanish from youtube. |
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markedL: sure, but even if it's transitional, i expect there's going to be a marked dip in ad availability. |
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Raccoon |
advertizers who pay for trackable ads |
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markedL |
IDK much about the ad market for < 13, what is that, just toys? |
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dunno. but it's the most aggressive ad market there is. |
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historically |
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that's why we have rules now on television ads for cartoons, especially in Europe. Garbage cereal commercials in America still exist, but we removed beer and cigarette commercials from daytime programming since the 80's? |
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maybe 70's |
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(to clarify, I meant (yes) toys are the most aggressive ad market there is. at least in the states) |
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