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If one goes up they'll all go up, it's a rack. |
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People made all this guffy noise about making FOS a rendundant component in a network of Archivebot uploaders, what happened there. |
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What's FOS? |
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Larsenv |
is it a pipeline? |
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Larsenv: https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Fortress_of_Solitude |
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atphoenix |
11k results per https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=+site:temple.edu+astro.temple.edu . Examples: https://astro.temple.edu/~smatsika/ https://astro.temple.edu/~tue52586/ |
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Ryz |
I've tried finding a directory in regards to https://astro.temple.edu/ to speed this up tremendously; nothing yet :c |
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atphoenix: Like this one that finally came back after 12-13 months, logchfoo0 |
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Ryz |
*12-13 hours |
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atphoenix |
another way to find astro pages: https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchString=astro |
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atphoenix |
or https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchString=astro.temple.edu |
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atphoenix |
that shouldn't be subject to the same constraints as trying to scrape from a Google search |
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Ryz |
No, not really, it has a pagination limit of 100 pages when I pushed it hard enough :c |
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It's more closer than Google is though |
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Ryz |
Here's page 100 - https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchStart=990&searchString=astro.temple.edu - and page 101 - https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchStart=1000&searchString=astro.temple.edu - and stuff going far like https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchStart=10000&searchString=astro.temple.edu is still the same page 101 |
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Ryz |
Mm, search results being capped like that suck... |
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thuban3 |
are there non-user pages? or could the usernames simply be brute-forced? |
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atphoenix |
this is a tighter search: https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchString=astro.temple.edu%2F%7E |
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atphoenix |
added the tilde |
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atphoenix |
says total results 21k |
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atphoenix |
goes from page 97 of 2180 here https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchStart=960&searchString=astro.temple.edu%2F to 98 out of 100 afterwards |
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Ryz |
Unsure if helpful, but here's the process of how a webpage is uploaded and updated for those users: https://its.temple.edu/uploading-your-dreamweaver-files-astro-web-server |
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atphoenix |
may also be able to find more by trying stuff like adding letters to the search, just to mix things up. It's not really wildcarding though : astro.temple.edu/z |
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https://search.temple.edu/search.php?searchString=astro.temple.edu+class |
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atphoenix |
change class to course, professor, letters a-z, other relevent keywords etc. as well. Guessing that doing those combinations over the 100 available search results pages should provide decent coverage. |
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thuban3 |
JAA what are your thoughts on trying to be smart as opposed to brute-forcing homedirs |
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thuban3 |
hit rate would be _low_ but with six months do we care? |
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thuban3, from the homedir names I have seen, I do not see a regular pattern. I think it would be better to scrape the temple search page, and scrape Google, using multiple search parameters |
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atphoenix |
(not necessary just Google. Scrape from any/all search engines.) |
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also, with a potentially very sparse search space, BF would result in many 404s in their logs |
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thuban3 |
none appear to be long, the pattern is restricted ([a-z]+[0-9]*), and brute force covers what searches, especially truncated searches, can easily miss |
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thuban3 |
action on their end is the only thing i would worry about, but JAA would know more about that |
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atphoenix |
8 chars may be the limit. This professor's page is shorter than his actual name, probably to fit into 8 chars. https://astro.temple.edu/~rosenthl/ |
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atphoenix |
With 36 possible chars per position, and 8 positions ... 36^8 = 2,821,109,907,456 combos. Assuming 6 months -> would need to check ~182k per second for 6 months to exhaust the namespace. |
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atphoenix: CDX server supports you on how many there are (curl "https://web.archive.org/cdx/search?url=astro.temple.edu/~*&collapse=urlkey" | grep --invert-match " 404 " | cut -d" " -f1 | cut -d"/" -f2 | grep -E --only-matching "~[a-zA-Z0-9_\-]{9,}") |
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OrIdow6 |
Also, the CDX server gives 3660 unique names, if that's useful for discovery |
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atphoenix |
OrIdow6, I guess asking archive.org is another way to discover additional names. |
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atphoenix |
A variety of directory searches using possibly relevant keywords (or even just top dictionary words), combined with results from various sources like archive.org known pages should give good coverage. |
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Yeah, doesn't really seem bruteforcable. We'd need a good list of candidates. Most combinations are very unlikely to exist. |
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JAA |
Regarding scraping search engines, the only one that lets you do that at a reasonable speed is Bing. All others I've tried ban you very quickly. |
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https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/little-things/blob/master/bing-scrape |
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atphoenix |
I found a google scraping service a few weeks back. I think they use some kind of MIPS solution to address Google's limits, and also to deal with regionalization. |
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atphoenix |
(not free) |
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atphoenix |
As for temple, there are 4 char users in the directories. It's only 1.7m combos for up to 4 chars. Even 5 chars is plausible at 60m combos. A partial brute may be plausible as a supplement to other means of identifying users. But due to the noise it is probably best to exhaust and gather everything possible using other means first. |
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60 M is easy. |
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thuban3 |
you can probably stretch it further as i believe numbers can be found only at the end |
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thuban3 |
(another option might be to find someone with access to the directory (https://directory.temple.edu/) / alumni directory (https://www.alumni.temple.edu/s/705/index.aspx?sid=705&gid=1&pgid=6&cid=41)) |
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thuban3 |
(some of the homedir names seem consistent with the stated alumnus username format. it seems likely that some pages are up under the original usernames of people who are no longer with the university, but i have no idea whether either directory would list them) |
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atphoenix |
https://directory.temple.edu/ was working for me for maybe 3-4 searches but now it tells me To continue searching from off campus, you must login. |
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atphoenix |
I did not see any homepage URLs in the results I skimmed over |
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atphoenix |
I also do not see any homepage URLs under https://education.temple.edu/about/faculty-staff |
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atphoenix |
there is definitely old stuff out there. 2003: https://astro.temple.edu/~boyer/_baks/index.htm.0080.b558.bak |
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thuban3 |
does the directory not have emails? i assume homepages would be under the same username |
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atphoenix |
IA has been over parts of astro http://web.archive.org/web/20050209174031/https://astro.temple.edu/~boyer/ |
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the homedirs do not match emails. e.g. https://astro.temple.edu/~rosenthl/ vs firstname.lastname for his listed email address |
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thuban3 |
ah, unusual |
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atphoenix |
guessing that as astro is old, it follows an 8 char limit, while the email systems either always allow long form or were upgraded later to add long form. |
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thuban3 |
i would be curious to know whether homedir usernames are based on those of tu's "accessnet" portal or an entirely independent system |
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atphoenix |
Some universities handled IDs by assigning them but aliases could be elected. And some people faculty who got email early on could choose any unused name. I know some faculty at my university had firstname@university.edu |
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https://its.temple.edu/email-account it looks like those usernames are in a 'tua[0-9]{5}' format (ever other letters?), and the firstname.lastname emails are auto-generated aliases per https://its.temple.edu/email-aliases-creating-and-using |