[00:54] i say we use a minecraft servers chat for everything [01:00] *** DogsRNice has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:15] *** OrIdow6 has joined #archiveteam-bs [01:47] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:16] anyone have an idea where one could find copies of IEC 60774-1:1994, -2:1999, -3:1993, -4:2002, and -5:2004, without spending thousands? [02:17] They're specs on VHS, SVHS, and DVHS. I can't imagine they're useful in industry anymore [02:29] Your local library? [02:30] Or if you attend university its usually there in their libraries [02:30] that's not currently happening. :( [02:37] *** nyany_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:21] *** Wingy has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:23] *** Raccoon has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [03:25] *** Wingy has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:53] *** Wingy has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [03:53] *** Wingy has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:56] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Quit: Keyboard not found, press F1 to continue) [03:58] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:21] Coderjo: Off chance, did you happen to attend Raj in December? [04:38] I did. how are you doing? 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[12:34] i noticed that one of my glenn beck videos i upload doesn't have a ogg video file [12:35] it has a h264 IA version of the mp4: https://archive.org/details/GLENN_20160118 [12:36] i guess to make it more streamible [13:45] *** arkiver_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:50] *** arkiver__ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [13:50] *** Ryz has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:50] *** kiska182 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:51] *** Ryz has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:05] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. Anywhere.) [14:07] *** HP_Archiv has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:21] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 496 seconds) [14:38] *** kahuna has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:42] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:51] i'm starting to upload the wire magazine [14:56] SketchCo1: someone got ahead of me with making a collection : https://archive.org/details/the-wire-magazine?tab=collection [14:56] good news is there are no uploads even dark by that user [14:57] this one i had to grab the image urls using thumbs url then get the image urls in firefox web console [14:58] from there i had to replace images/1/ with images/3/ [14:59] if that guy is just starting then there is good chance he didn't getting that much yet [15:01] they literally created it yesterday [15:04] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Quit: Keyboard not found, press F1 to continue) [15:05] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:13] my fear is my work on this would have been for nothing [15:14] i was not going to upload right away but cause of that i'm now [16:00] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:26] *** lennier2 has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:33] *** lennier1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 496 seconds) [16:33] *** lennier2 is now known as lennier1 [17:12] *** cm has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:14] JAA: what's that about an older wget version? [17:14] did older versions have better warc support? [17:15] cm: The bug with the angle brackets was introduced in wget 1.19.4. So versions before that produce the WARC/1.0 files that all other tools expect. [17:17] is that "bug" the result of the "inconsistency" in the WARC/1.0 spec? [17:17] Yeah [17:18] is it not trivial to revert the bug and produce proper warc/1.0 [17:18] or is the idea to forget 1.0 and just make it produce 1.1 [17:18] The thing is that the 1.0 spec is ambiguous, even though everyone agrees how it should be done (except for the person who sent the patch to wget). So there is no "proper WARC/1.0". [17:18] Yes, the idea is to bump to 1.1. [17:19] That should happen in the next wget version, but it's not clear when that'll be. [17:21] ok [17:21] do you know if there will be any more versions of wget 1? [17:23] As I understand it, yes, 1.x is still getting bugfixes. Version 1.21 is the one that will be released soon™. [17:24] ah good [17:26] are there tools to convert 1.0 to 1.1? [17:26] like if i archive some sites now with wget 1.19.3, will i be able to convert them to the same format produced by wget 1.21 ? [17:28] It would in theory be possible to write such a tool, but I don't think it's a good idea. There's nothing wrong with 1.0 WARCs. The situation with wget 1.19.4 to 1.20.x is unfortunate but can be worked around. You don't need to do any conversion. [17:29] I need to leave for a bit now, but I'll happily discuss this with you further later. [17:29] then the viewing tool would have to support 1.0 and 1.1 indefinitely [17:30] JAA: okay bye for now [17:32] *** VerifiedJ has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:50] *** Raccoon` has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:50] *** Raccoon` has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [17:59] *** Raccoon has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:59] *** RichardG has quit IRC (Quit: Keyboard not found, press F1 to continue) [18:13] cm: That's correct, but that's necessary anyway, and the two spec versions are anyway extremely similar, so it's quite easy to support both in one tool. [18:14] from the tweet linked in main channel about namco IP changes "heads up, the license period for Namco's Catalog IP project, which allowed indie devs to make mobile games & other content using classic Namco IP, expires on March 31, meaning all those games are due to disappear in a week's time—if you saw any that seemed fun, get em while u can [18:14] " [18:14] more: https://namco.fandom.com/wiki/Namco_Catalog_IP [18:20] *** HP_Archiv has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:24] *** RichardG has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:24] JAA: cool [20:24] i am curious: why not just update the spec to be unambiguous, and keep the same format? [20:24] same format that everyone but wget uses i mean [20:25] does 1.1 include worthwhile enhancements? [20:25] That's what happened with 1.1. A valid proper 1.0 WARC (without angle brackets on WARC-Target-URI) is a valid 1.1 WARC when replacing the version number. [20:26] Yes, 1.1 specifies the revisit record references by URI and date instead of record ID. [20:27] If you want the details: https://github.com/JustAnotherArchivist/warc-specifications/blob/comparison-1.0-v-1.1/specifications/warc-format/warc-1.1/diff1.0-short.md [20:35] cool thanks [20:45] One correction: A valid proper 1.0 WARC (without angle brackets on WARC-Target-URI *and WARC-Profile*) is a valid 1.1 WARC when replacing the version number. (And the number must be replaced in both the first header line and the WARC-Profile values.) 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