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sembiance |
woot! |
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i havent seen the word woot in years lol |
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betamax |
arkiver: are you around on #radio-archive? got a query about the possibly adding in the large number of UK-based Bauer radio stations that are due to "close" in a few months time |
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betamax |
"close": they're changing from local stations into a national radio network |
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arkiver |
hi |
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arkiver |
yes I'm around now |
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betamax |
thanks - I'll continue this on #radio-archive :) |
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phuzion |
SketchCow: FYI, no rush but ArchiveTeam wiki is running a slightly out of date version of MediaWiki. There's a number of security patches available (we're running 1.31.1 and the latest patch for the 1.31.x branch is 1.31.7). There's also 1.34.1, but that requires a schema update. |
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JAA |
jrwr: ^^ |
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jrwr |
@phuzion While true; currently we are stuck on the current version due to several... sins that I had to do to even get to the version its one |
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jrwr |
Ill look into it, but will take some time |
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phuzion |
jrwr: What, are we running some esoteric plugins or something? |
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jrwr |
The current PHP version is running is too old currently to update (Breaks some crap in stock mediawiki on 1.31.7) |
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phuzion |
Oh, the box needs a dist-upgrade or something then? |
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jrwr |
and the PHP version has to be a static compiled elf with NO external libs (not even the syslibs) |
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jrwr |
and we cannot upgrade the system at all |
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jrwr |
We are forced to use a CGI based handler on a static php build to run the current wiki, due to outside forces, this cannot be changed |
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phuzion |
Just curious, why is that the case? Are we running AT on IA infrastructure or something? |
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jrwr |
Last time I had to compile php, it was over a month to get PHP to compile to run on the shit old box |
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jrwr |
The wiki is on "bulletproof" hosting that @SketchCow pays for, it comes with lots of strings, but is just about impossible to take down |
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jrwr |
The system version of PHP on the box is 4.4.9 if that tells you how this works out |
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phuzion |
O_O |
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jrwr |
its running redhat I think (its a cpanel server) from the stone ages |
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phuzion |
Does anything other than the wiki run on that box? |
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jrwr |
Its a shared webhost |
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jrwr |
its got about 200 other websites on it outside the ATWiki i think |
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phuzion |
200 website that Jason controls/runs? Or 200 websites of other customers? |
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jrwr |
Oh! and if the php process uses more then 16MB of ram, it kills it |
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jrwr |
Other Customers |
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phuzion |
This is like a gigantic can of worms. |
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phuzion |
lol |
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jrwr |
it was about a month of work to get it to a modern PHP version (Its like on 7.0) |
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jrwr |
the hardest part was getting shit like the system libs to static compile in |
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jrwr |
into one giant php-cgi that I'm forcing apache to run it under |
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phuzion |
So real talk, other than "Jason pays for it" what is the reason we're sticking with this hosting? |
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phuzion |
s/what is the/is there a/ |
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jrwr |
Its mostly not public knowledge, but people do try and threaten service providers we host stuff on |
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jrwr |
A good example of this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY |
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jrwr |
Even with just the wiki stuff, I think jason still gets takedown notices all the time |
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jrwr |
he promptly ignores them |
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phuzion |
Yeah I've watched that talk a few times. Loonies writing handwritten lawsuits and such. |
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jrwr |
Finding good "almost" bullet proof hosting is hard |
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jrwr |
Cheaply that is, I think its something like 50$ a quarter, forever |
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phuzion |
What about doing something like hosting on DO/AWS/Azure/Rackspace/Linode and putting CloudFlare free in front of it? |
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jrwr |
We are anti-CF around here |
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phuzion |
True |
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jrwr isn't |
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jrwr |
but most are |
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jrwr |
I am in your boat @phuzion but after a few weeks of discussion last year, we are staying put for now |
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kiska |
I mean... https://efnet.logs.kiska.pw/ is on vultr :D |
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jrwr |
It gets weekly full database and file backups to the IA |
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kiska |
Pls don't consume all my bandwidth |
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jrwr starts up pipeline.py |
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kiska |
:D |
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jrwr |
*CONSUME* |
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phuzion |
I'd probably win the resource exhaustion contest compared to pipeline |
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jrwr |
2048 threads should do the trick |
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jrwr |
lol |
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jrwr |
But overall, its a PITA and I don't like touching it much |
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jrwr |
Ill move it to the next LTS release once I figure out how to get php7.4 to static compile and work on the box |
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kiska |
LOL so apparently someone has decided to invite kiskaLog to a channel :D |
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phuzion |
jrwr: Cool, if you need a hand with anything, feel free to ping me, I've definitely got experience with wikis. I've hosted and admin'd a number of them in my day. |
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jrwr |
Same, I'm the founder of PCGamingWiki |
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jrwr |
and a host of others over the years |
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phuzion throws pcgamingwiki into #wikiteam |
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phuzion |
jrwr: do you know approximately how much bandwidth ATwiki goes through in a month? I just need a ballpark. |
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jrwr |
pcgamingwiki does XML dumps into the IA once a Q |
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jrwr |
Its not very much |
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jrwr |
it does have massive traffic spikes |
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jrwr |
My current config will handle a front page of reddit swarm... mostly |
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phuzion |
Oh wow, nice. |
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jrwr |
if it overloads, it will do a HTML shim to show a cached page of the wiki page they are looking at |
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jrwr |
its very clever |
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jrwr |
(from the wayback machine) |
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phuzion |
Neat |
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SketchCow |
I might need help with my blog, jrwr |
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SketchCow |
Also, maybe we need to talk to the host about the wiki |
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jrwr |
What you need |
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SketchCow |
Oh, it crashes when I try and log in, tells me things are messed |
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SketchCow |
I'll quantify it better when I have time |
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jrwr |
Ah, Can I get screenshots or the URL |
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SketchCow |
Yeah, I'll bother you elsewhere |
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SketchCow |
I'm currently focused today on a "minor" game magazine project that has ballooned into 5 unrelated collections and thousands of hidden items coming to light |
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