#archiveteam-bs 2020-05-29,Fri

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02:07 🔗 sembiance woot!
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03:22 🔗 DogsRNice i havent seen the word woot in years lol
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10:17 🔗 betamax arkiver: are you around on #radio-archive? got a query about the possibly adding in the large number of UK-based Bauer radio stations that are due to "close" in a few months time
10:18 🔗 betamax "close": they're changing from local stations into a national radio network
10:18 🔗 arkiver hi
10:18 🔗 arkiver yes I'm around now
10:19 🔗 betamax thanks - I'll continue this on #radio-archive :)
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13:25 🔗 phuzion SketchCow: FYI, no rush but ArchiveTeam wiki is running a slightly out of date version of MediaWiki. There's a number of security patches available (we're running 1.31.1 and the latest patch for the 1.31.x branch is 1.31.7). There's also 1.34.1, but that requires a schema update.
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15:58 🔗 JAA jrwr: ^^
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17:04 🔗 jrwr @phuzion While true; currently we are stuck on the current version due to several... sins that I had to do to even get to the version its one
17:04 🔗 jrwr Ill look into it, but will take some time
17:04 🔗 phuzion jrwr: What, are we running some esoteric plugins or something?
17:05 🔗 jrwr The current PHP version is running is too old currently to update (Breaks some crap in stock mediawiki on 1.31.7)
17:06 🔗 phuzion Oh, the box needs a dist-upgrade or something then?
17:06 🔗 jrwr and the PHP version has to be a static compiled elf with NO external libs (not even the syslibs)
17:06 🔗 jrwr and we cannot upgrade the system at all
17:07 🔗 jrwr We are forced to use a CGI based handler on a static php build to run the current wiki, due to outside forces, this cannot be changed
17:07 🔗 phuzion Just curious, why is that the case? Are we running AT on IA infrastructure or something?
17:07 🔗 jrwr Last time I had to compile php, it was over a month to get PHP to compile to run on the shit old box
17:08 🔗 jrwr The wiki is on "bulletproof" hosting that @SketchCow pays for, it comes with lots of strings, but is just about impossible to take down
17:08 🔗 jrwr The system version of PHP on the box is 4.4.9 if that tells you how this works out
17:08 🔗 phuzion O_O
17:09 🔗 jrwr its running redhat I think (its a cpanel server) from the stone ages
17:09 🔗 phuzion Does anything other than the wiki run on that box?
17:09 🔗 jrwr Its a shared webhost
17:09 🔗 jrwr its got about 200 other websites on it outside the ATWiki i think
17:10 🔗 phuzion 200 website that Jason controls/runs? Or 200 websites of other customers?
17:10 🔗 jrwr Oh! and if the php process uses more then 16MB of ram, it kills it
17:10 🔗 jrwr Other Customers
17:11 🔗 phuzion This is like a gigantic can of worms.
17:11 🔗 phuzion lol
17:11 🔗 jrwr it was about a month of work to get it to a modern PHP version (Its like on 7.0)
17:12 🔗 jrwr the hardest part was getting shit like the system libs to static compile in
17:12 🔗 jrwr into one giant php-cgi that I'm forcing apache to run it under
17:13 🔗 phuzion So real talk, other than "Jason pays for it" what is the reason we're sticking with this hosting?
17:13 🔗 phuzion s/what is the/is there a/
17:13 🔗 jrwr Its mostly not public knowledge, but people do try and threaten service providers we host stuff on
17:14 🔗 jrwr A good example of this is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY
17:14 🔗 jrwr Even with just the wiki stuff, I think jason still gets takedown notices all the time
17:14 🔗 jrwr he promptly ignores them
17:14 🔗 phuzion Yeah I've watched that talk a few times. Loonies writing handwritten lawsuits and such.
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17:15 🔗 jrwr Finding good "almost" bullet proof hosting is hard
17:15 🔗 jrwr Cheaply that is, I think its something like 50$ a quarter, forever
17:16 🔗 phuzion What about doing something like hosting on DO/AWS/Azure/Rackspace/Linode and putting CloudFlare free in front of it?
17:16 🔗 jrwr We are anti-CF around here
17:16 🔗 phuzion True
17:16 🔗 * jrwr isn't
17:16 🔗 jrwr but most are
17:17 🔗 jrwr I am in your boat @phuzion but after a few weeks of discussion last year, we are staying put for now
17:17 🔗 kiska I mean... https://efnet.logs.kiska.pw/ is on vultr :D
17:17 🔗 jrwr It gets weekly full database and file backups to the IA
17:17 🔗 kiska Pls don't consume all my bandwidth
17:18 🔗 * jrwr starts up pipeline.py
17:18 🔗 kiska :D
17:18 🔗 jrwr *CONSUME*
17:18 🔗 * phuzion starts up rtorrent
17:18 🔗 phuzion I'd probably win the resource exhaustion contest compared to pipeline
17:18 🔗 jrwr 2048 threads should do the trick
17:18 🔗 jrwr lol
17:19 🔗 jrwr But overall, its a PITA and I don't like touching it much
17:19 🔗 jrwr Ill move it to the next LTS release once I figure out how to get php7.4 to static compile and work on the box
17:19 🔗 kiska LOL so apparently someone has decided to invite kiskaLog to a channel :D
17:20 🔗 phuzion jrwr: Cool, if you need a hand with anything, feel free to ping me, I've definitely got experience with wikis. I've hosted and admin'd a number of them in my day.
17:21 🔗 jrwr Same, I'm the founder of PCGamingWiki
17:21 🔗 jrwr and a host of others over the years
17:21 🔗 * phuzion throws pcgamingwiki into #wikiteam
17:23 🔗 phuzion jrwr: do you know approximately how much bandwidth ATwiki goes through in a month? I just need a ballpark.
17:26 🔗 jrwr pcgamingwiki does XML dumps into the IA once a Q
17:26 🔗 jrwr Its not very much
17:27 🔗 jrwr it does have massive traffic spikes
17:27 🔗 jrwr My current config will handle a front page of reddit swarm... mostly
17:27 🔗 phuzion Oh wow, nice.
17:28 🔗 jrwr if it overloads, it will do a HTML shim to show a cached page of the wiki page they are looking at
17:28 🔗 jrwr its very clever
17:29 🔗 jrwr (from the wayback machine)
17:30 🔗 phuzion Neat
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18:19 🔗 SketchCow I might need help with my blog, jrwr
18:19 🔗 SketchCow Also, maybe we need to talk to the host about the wiki
18:19 🔗 jrwr What you need
18:19 🔗 SketchCow Oh, it crashes when I try and log in, tells me things are messed
18:19 🔗 SketchCow I'll quantify it better when I have time
18:19 🔗 jrwr Ah, Can I get screenshots or the URL
18:20 🔗 SketchCow Yeah, I'll bother you elsewhere
18:20 🔗 SketchCow I'm currently focused today on a "minor" game magazine project that has ballooned into 5 unrelated collections and thousands of hidden items coming to light
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