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Operation timed out) [05:46] *** SynMonger has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:15] *** hooway has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:46] *** larryv_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:47] *** larryv has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [10:19] *** larryv_ has quit IRC (larryv_) [12:48] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:47] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [13:57] *** Mayonaise has joined #archiveteam-bs [16:32] *** lunik1 has quit IRC (Quit: :x) [16:58] *** HP_Archiv has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:10] *** britm0b has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:16] *** britmob_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [17:50] Old is 2010 era. [17:51] So this box can handle gtk1 applications just fine. [17:51] Whereas it'd be a major pain, if feasible at all, on a modern distro. [17:52] VMs are a thing, you know? [17:57] I guess that might work for some things. Not so well for the software defined radio things with USB latency requirements. [18:01] I was under the impression that QEMU passthrough adds basically zero latency, but it's been a while since I experimented with that. [18:01] Might also depend on the hardware of course. [18:04] 2010 era isn't that bad. Mostly 64 bit capable, mostly dual core. I know 2013 era stuff is absolutely still usable on modern OSes. [18:06] improvements in recent years are mostly in power consumption. And some for specialized tasks (I'm thinking about video encoding.) [18:07] Anything that benefits from heavy multi-threading, basically. [18:09] What counts as "0 latency" depends on what you're trying to do (though I would think that USB wouldn't be that fast by itself) [18:09] I'm using a computer from before 2013 now, albeit with more memory [18:12] SSD + 8 GB RAM (or more) + 7 year old CPU = balanced system that still performs well [18:14] i mean, some people run desktop OSes on Raspberry Pis. Now with Pi 4 they can have up to 8 gb RAM. [18:15] superkuh, maybe you need some Pi 4. Also supports 2x 4K HDMI out. [18:16] Realistically, if you don't need fancy desktop graphics, you can probably get away with anything from the past 15 years or so. Lack of AES-NI may be the most annoying part, but that won't be noticeable for IRC obviously. [18:27] I have lots of sbcs running around the house. None as desktops. They all have 3x radio dongles plugged in and running 24/7. I wouldn't want to use a sbc as a desktop because, sure, it'd let me web browse and IRC, but then I'd have to take the info I learned from there and move it to an actual PC that can do tasks. [18:28] Web and IRC as the means, not the end. [18:28] Well, as oppose to now, where you can't use (our) IRC and probably much of the web is broken or will break soon, that sounds like an improvement. [18:29] hackint and dn42 are the only networks out of, like, 30 I connect to that I have issues. [18:29] Good to know that all the others are shit then. [18:30] Until the cert providers get pressured by the MPAA/RIAA to revoke because of archiving $whatever. [18:31] *Only* TLS is living on someone else's whim. [18:31] IRC clients should really just trust on first use and forget cert authorities. [18:31] Then my objection would be gone. [18:32] *** sec^nd has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [18:32] *** sec^nd has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:33] The CA system is fucked for sure (and nobody seems to want to implement DANE etc.), but I doubt such a revocation will ever happen. [18:34] You're probably right. [18:34] I hope it never occurs to "them". [18:36] The only revocations I'm aware of were of TPB, Sci-Hub, and similar sites. That's an entirely different thing than what we do, obviously. [18:42] I didn't know about sci-hub. That's worrying. [18:45] *** sec^nd has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in) [18:46] It's the usual game with those sites. They have valid certs on their current domains. [18:47] The revocation was a couple years ago: https://torrentfreak.com/sci-hub-pirate-bay-for-science-security-certs-revoked-by-comodo-ca-180503/ [18:49] *** sec^nd has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:51] Which also shows: getting your domain blocked is much more likely than certs getting revoked. [20:10] what does this mean? Especially the part of 'do tasks'? What is missing from a Ubuntu build running on R Pi 4 with keyboard/display/mouse? "I wouldn't want to use a sbc as a desktop because, sure, it'd let me web browse and IRC, but then I'd have to take the info I learned from there and move it to an actual PC that can do tasks." 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