| Time |
Nickname |
Message |
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01:26
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omf_ |
Just got a slot opened at a conference for me to give a talk and I currently have no idea :( |
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01:32
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omf_ |
wait never mind I just remembered I am doing a documentation talk |
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01:33
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omf_ |
I need to get more sleep -_- |
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06:32
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|
godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-linuxformatmagazine-88 |
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06:38
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|
godane |
so i'm trying to make cdrom-linuxformatmagazine-94 item |
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06:39
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|
godane |
but there is no folder when i login using gftp |
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06:40
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|
godane |
they say that if i don't see the folder i may have login to the wrong server |
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06:41
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godane |
but that can't be right cause i'm connecting to items-uploads.archive.org all the time with gftp |
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06:42
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|
godane |
i just made the folder for it |
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06:42
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godane |
hope that works |
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07:19
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godane |
so i found boot magazine cds again |
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07:20
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godane |
this time its the complete set |
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08:25
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|
omf_ |
This usb to sata adapter is working out nicely for using an internal bluray drive as an external |
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08:25
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omf_ |
and it only cost $12 |
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08:48
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|
godane |
so i found some more lost episodes of spark |
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08:48
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|
godane |
episodes 91, 69, 68, and 57 |
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08:50
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|
godane |
and episodes 54 and 53 |
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08:50
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|
godane |
these are going to be the sparklike versions |
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08:50
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|
godane |
*sparklite |
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09:16
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|
ersi |
joepie91: Because I'm goin' there |
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09:25
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|
BlueMax |
don't go there! *canned laughter* |
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10:12
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BlueMax |
http://archives.thebbs.org/ lots of BBS software here |
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13:11
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|
godane |
http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/cats-and-their-brain-controlling-parasites-are-targeting-your-children |
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13:18
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BlueMax |
What. |
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13:21
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|
godane |
there say OCD can be cause by cat poop |
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13:22
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|
GLaDOS |
Just claim everything is caused by cat poop. |
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13:23
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GLaDOS |
They won't be able to tell whether you're joking or not. |
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13:53
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SmileyG |
cat poop, indeed |
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13:53
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SmileyG |
toxoplasmosis. |
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13:54
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SmileyG |
Then we realise, the human race began rapidly evolving? around 3000bc |
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13:54
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|
SmileyG |
around the same time the egyptians began keeping cats. |
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13:54
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SmileyG |
:O |
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14:07
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Baljem |
of course, none of this is news to cats. they already know they're responsible for the whole of creation. |
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14:12
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godane |
i'm starting uploaded the unpubic g4tv.com videos |
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14:19
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|
godane |
g4tv.com-video1661: Audiofile talks with Johnny Deep: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video1661 |
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14:19
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godane |
i added techtv lost clips as a keyword |
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14:20
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|
godane |
this is so people will be able to see the techtv lost videos easyier |
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14:23
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|
godane |
http://durham.io/2013/07/09/seth-vidal-creator-of-yum-open-source-software-killed-in-bike-accident-off-hillandale-rd/ |
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14:24
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ersi |
Yeah, quite sad :( |
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14:25
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|
ersi |
Wtf, human.io got bought by WALMART? |
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14:26
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|
ersi |
rawr |
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14:28
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|
godane |
i have 23 items waiting to be derive |
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14:28
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|
godane |
:-/ |
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14:28
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|
ersi |
They'll get done, don't worry :) |
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14:29
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|
godane |
i know |
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14:33
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|
ersi |
https://soundcloud.com/bloes-brothers/bloes-brothers-4-bakermat |
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14:33
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|
ersi |
Listen to that, it'll make ya' relax for sure ^_^ |
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15:10
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|
SketchCow |
BlueMax: He's gotten them from me. (BBS Archives) |
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15:10
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|
BlueMax |
oh. cool. |
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15:11
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|
BlueMax |
also, hi! |
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15:14
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|
godane |
now you can see g4tv.com unpublic video ids: https://archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3Ag4video-web%20AND%20subject%3A%22G4TV.com%20unpublic%20video%20ids%22&sort=-publicdate |
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15:30
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|
godane |
g4tv.com-video1759: CD-R Media Guide: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video1759 |
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16:03
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|
godane |
g4tv.com-video1936: webcast: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video1936 |
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16:03
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|
godane |
so i got the techtv webcast videos |
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16:11
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|
godane |
so i'm getting maximum pc 2003 cds |
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16:11
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|
joepie91 |
ersi: aha :P |
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16:12
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joepie91 |
ersi: if I am not mistaken, the enthusiasm of potential Dutch visitors kind of died down when they realized it was sponsored by FoxIT |
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16:12
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joepie91 |
OHM, I mean |
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16:12
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|
godane |
if i get the boot magazine cds and the first 4 years of maximum pc |
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16:13
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|
godane |
i may get up to 1996 to 2003 of boot magazine + maximum pc cds |
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16:13
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|
godane |
and that will be the full set |
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16:30
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|
ersi |
joepie91: What does that has to do with anything? FoxIT doesn't own it for a single eurocent |
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16:30
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|
ersi |
joepie91: It'll be just as nice as HAR and the previous events :) the organisers are awesome |
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16:45
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joepie91 |
ersi: FoxIT has a history of very very VERY questionable morals, and whenever they touch things it tends to turn out not very nice |
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16:46
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|
joepie91 |
so I can understand the hesitation by others |
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16:46
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|
joepie91 |
unrelated, is there already some kind of github archiving in progress? |
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16:48
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ivan` |
someone in #archiveteam put 10TB of repos onto their own drives |
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16:48
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|
ivan` |
that's about half of github |
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16:48
🔗
|
joepie91 |
is it being kept up to date? |
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16:48
🔗
|
ivan` |
no |
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16:48
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|
joepie91 |
because I thought of a potential backup strategy |
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16:48
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|
joepie91 |
that includes keeping it up to date |
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16:49
🔗
|
ivan` |
I'm thinking about writing a distributed system for backing up youtube and github and such |
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16:49
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|
joepie91 |
ie. store the repositories locally in compressed format, and keep track of the current position of every branch |
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16:49
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|
joepie91 |
separately |
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16:49
🔗
|
ivan` |
git already does that |
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16:49
🔗
|
joepie91 |
git doesn't compress everything |
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16:49
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|
joepie91 |
and not as effectively as it could be doing it |
|
16:49
🔗
|
ivan` |
you just git fetch to update |
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16:49
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|
joepie91 |
due to speed concerns |
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16:49
🔗
|
ivan` |
git packs objects |
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16:50
🔗
|
ivan` |
you can make it pack with a bigger window |
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16:50
🔗
|
ivan` |
though it's already pretty big |
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16:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
ivan`: bzip2 is considerably better at compressing text-ish data than zlib (which git uses), if I'm not mistaken |
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16:51
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joepie91 |
at the cost of a significantly larger time requirement |
|
16:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
which is probably why git doesn't use bz2 |
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16:51
🔗
|
ivan` |
yeah, you're right, that could help |
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16:51
🔗
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joepie91 |
my idea was to keep all repositories compressed in bzip2 format and then decompress when an update has to occur and then recompress for storage |
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16:52
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ivan` |
or just modify git to support bz2 ;) |
|
16:52
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joepie91 |
since you can keep track of the branch tips independently (and that's very small data) that should be quite feasible |
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16:52
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|
ivan` |
or lzma2 |
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16:52
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joepie91 |
ivan`: wouldn't that basically just break compatibility with everyone elses git? |
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16:52
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I can imagine that would be a disaster to restore |
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16:53
🔗
|
ivan` |
git clone --no-bz2-packing weird-repo |
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16:55
🔗
|
ivan` |
(yeah they'd need the bz2-supporting git if they only had the raw data, but it's the same when you "store the repositories locally in compressed format") |
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16:56
🔗
|
joepie91 |
not quite |
|
16:56
🔗
|
joepie91 |
if you just throw an entire repo in a .bz2 anyone could use standard installed-from-repo-or-otherwise bz2 to unpack it |
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16:57
🔗
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ivan` |
ah, right |
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16:57
🔗
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joepie91 |
setting up some kind of custom bz2 git means you'd have to maintain a custom git branch |
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16:57
🔗
|
joepie91 |
and repackage it constantly |
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16:57
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|
joepie91 |
to keep up to date with the 'normal' git |
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16:57
🔗
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joepie91 |
unless bz2 gets merged into mainline git, which I don't see happening any time soon :P |
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16:57
🔗
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ivan` |
in that case it would be interesting to try to keep the objects packed without zlib |
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16:57
🔗
|
ivan` |
you wouldn't want to create a million files on extraction |
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16:58
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joepie91 |
http://git.661346.n2.nabble.com/How-to-prevent-Git-from-compressing-certain-files-td3305492.html |
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16:58
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joepie91 |
You almost certainly don't want zlib compression on your jpegs, as they |
|
16:58
🔗
|
joepie91 |
are already compressed. You can turn off zlib compression entirely by |
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16:58
🔗
|
joepie91 |
compressing your commit messages). |
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16:58
🔗
|
joepie91 |
compressing your text (and even in a photos-only repo, you are not |
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16:58
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|
joepie91 |
for _all_ objects, which means in a mixed-use repo you won't be |
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16:58
🔗
|
joepie91 |
setting core.compression to 0. Unfortunately, this turns off compression |
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16:59
🔗
|
joepie91 |
it also hints at the possibility to turn off delta compression |
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16:59
🔗
|
godane |
g4tv.com-video1981: Liam Mayclem interviews Michael Robertson: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video1981 |
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17:00
🔗
|
ivan` |
joepie91: great, I like your idea then |
|
17:00
🔗
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joepie91 |
the gotcha here, of course, is github side data |
|
17:00
🔗
|
joepie91 |
:) |
|
17:02
🔗
|
joepie91 |
also, thoughts on archiving 4chan? |
|
17:02
🔗
|
ivan` |
closure has github-backup which grabs github-side data |
|
17:02
🔗
|
ivan` |
too bad I refuse to run Haskell code because all the Haskellers execute random untrusted code grabbed over HTTP |
|
17:02
🔗
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joepie91 |
yeah, I ran across that |
|
17:02
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|
joepie91 |
ironically, hosted on github |
|
17:02
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|
joepie91 |
but that aside |
|
17:02
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I don't think storing metadata in a language-specific serialization format is anywhere remotely near my definition of a "good idea" |
|
17:02
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joepie91 |
:P |
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17:03
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|
ivan` |
heh, it does that? |
|
17:03
🔗
|
joepie91 |
pretty sure it stores stuff in haskell serialiation format |
|
17:03
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|
joepie91 |
serialization * |
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17:03
🔗
|
joepie91 |
which, quite honestly, is a really fucking stupid idea |
|
17:04
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|
joepie91 |
I mean, I don't like XML, but it would've been a better idea here than haskell serialized something |
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17:04
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|
joepie91 |
also, this is about the github-backup referenced from the AT wiki |
|
17:04
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|
joepie91 |
there are supposedly a few projects with the same name |
|
17:05
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|
joepie91 |
https://github.com/joeyh/github-backup |
|
17:05
🔗
|
joepie91 |
The format of the files in the github branch is currently Haskell serialized data types. This is plain text, and readable, if you squint. |
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17:09
🔗
|
joepie91 |
but yeah, 4chan, thoughts? |
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17:13
🔗
|
ivan` |
in a talk SketchCow claimed to be backing up 4chan, wonder if that is still going on |
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17:14
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I think that'd be the roflcon talk I just watched |
|
17:14
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I believe he said that he archived a few million threads |
|
17:15
🔗
|
joepie91 |
but did not specifically mention that an ongoing effort existed |
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17:17
🔗
|
DFJustin |
chanarchive.org is getting the 'best of' on an ongoing basis |
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17:18
🔗
|
joepie91 |
ya, I know |
|
17:18
🔗
|
joepie91 |
but I'm not a terrible fan of their grab strategy |
|
17:18
🔗
|
joepie91 |
:P |
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17:18
🔗
|
joepie91 |
quick writeup: http://sprunge.us/HPEU |
|
17:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
http://falkvinge.net/2013/07/10/fan-subtitle-site-raided-by-copyright-industry-aided-by-police/ |
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17:22
🔗
|
joepie91 |
sigh |
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17:25
🔗
|
balrog |
:[ |
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17:25
🔗
|
balrog |
that's stupid, they're attacking their fans... |
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17:26
🔗
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joepie91 |
haven't they basically been doing that for years npow |
|
17:26
🔗
|
joepie91 |
now * |
|
17:26
🔗
|
joepie91 |
and yes, it's incredibly stupid |
|
17:26
🔗
|
balrog |
usually not that blatantly |
|
17:26
🔗
|
joepie91 |
true |
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17:26
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|
joepie91 |
anyway |
|
17:26
🔗
|
joepie91 |
I'm more and more getting the feeling that the copyright industry (so to say) is more or less on their last legs |
|
17:26
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|
joepie91 |
(I probably botched a saying there) |
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17:27
🔗
|
joepie91 |
they seem to be pissing off more and more people |
|
17:27
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|
joepie91 |
and more and more alternatives are starting to surface |
|
17:27
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|
DFJustin |
nope, correct english idiom :) |
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17:29
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joepie91 |
ah. |
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17:29
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|
joepie91 |
I get confused wth Dutch idioms at times |
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17:29
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joepie91 |
:) |
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17:35
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ersi |
joepie91: Well, sponsors doesn't own anything at Hxx Stichtung events.. so |
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17:36
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Schbirid |
dashboard porn http://www.mapbox.com/blog/dashboards-for-data/ |
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17:36
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|
ersi |
joepie91: It's a great event though :) should consider coming :) |
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17:37
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|
ersi |
Also, regarding 'fan subtitle site raided': They copied original subtitles from DVD and published |
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17:37
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|
ersi |
Most of them are community created, but someone uploaded about 100 original DVD subtitles (so I've heard) |
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17:38
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joepie91 |
ersi: that's not a reason to raid a site |
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17:39
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|
joepie91 |
also, re: event |
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17:39
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|
Schbirid |
heh, reason |
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17:39
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|
joepie91 |
probably won't have money for it |
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17:39
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|
Schbirid |
just remember that oink was declared non guilty |
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17:46
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DFJustin |
dunno about sweden but in most countries a translation is considered a derivative work and thus an exclusive privilege of the copyright holder |
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17:47
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|
DFJustin |
but yeah raiding a site which can only make your movies more popular is pretty braindead |
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17:47
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|
winr4r |
yes |
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17:47
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|
winr4r |
on both counts |
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17:47
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|
winr4r |
they can be legally in the right *and* fucking retarded |
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17:49
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|
DFJustin |
well what it probably is is ass-dragging local middlemen wanting to preserve their status |
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17:50
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|
DFJustin |
"you mean we can't release the movie 6 months after everywhere else for twice the price anymore??" |
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17:50
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SketchCow |
I'm obviously going to Gitmo |
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17:52
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yipdw |
that reminds me, I should alias git-merge-one-file to git-mo |
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17:58
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joepie91 |
<winr4r>they can be legally in the right *and* fucking retarded |
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17:58
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joepie91 |
this, basically |
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17:58
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joepie91 |
I've long given up on judging things by legality |
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17:58
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|
joepie91 |
the legal aspects just becomes so twisted over time as consecutive legislating parties lose track of the original purpose of a certain piece of legislation |
|
17:59
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|
joepie91 |
and just keep extending or changing it based on "what people think it's supposed to be" |
|
17:59
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|
joepie91 |
without any regard for why it existed in the first place |
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17:59
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joepie91 |
it's nonsnse |
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17:59
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|
joepie91 |
nonsense * |
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18:00
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|
joepie91 |
I mean |
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18:00
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joepie91 |
legal reasoning: technically subtitles are a derived work of the original dialogue which is technically copyrighted and part of the original work, therefore subtitles may be infringing |
|
18:01
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joepie91 |
moral reasoning, taking into account the original reason for copyright: dialogue was written and writer receives a monopoly on it for a while, ??????, fansubs are a bad thing |
|
18:01
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joepie91 |
I'd love to see someone fill in the question marks there without refering to legality anywhere in their text |
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18:02
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joepie91 |
(and that's even completely omitting the part where human innovation is nearly always based on derivation in some form or shape, and how it's insane to block that out through the use of a monopoly and then bring up as an argument that it "promotes innovation") |
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18:03
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winr4r |
joepie91: i don't agree |
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18:03
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winr4r |
i'm not particularly pro- or anti-copyright, i find the arguments from the extremists on both sides to be entirely unconvincing |
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18:04
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joepie91 |
don't agree with what? |
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18:05
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winr4r |
joepie91: your implied argument that copyright does not promote innovation |
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18:05
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joepie91 |
can you show otherwise? |
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18:06
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winr4r |
joepie91: no, i can't, which is why i'm somewhat agnostic about it |
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18:06
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|
winr4r |
i just don't find the arguments against particularly compelling |
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18:07
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joepie91 |
so, if I provide a logical *and* an observationally supportable argument showing that copyright works against innovation, and there does not appear to be any evidence that shows it _promotes_ innovation, then why are you disagreeing with it? |
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18:07
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joepie91 |
(the observationally supportable argument being any of the 2346134613462346 cases where someone couldn't make an improved version of something because of copyright - hell, look at these subs for an example) |
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18:08
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joepie91 |
note that I'm shorthanding "technical innovation and the advancement of culture" here using the word "innovation" |
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18:08
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winr4r |
joepie91: you're taking a case where copyright is actually retarded and probably needs reform, and applying it to copyright generally |
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18:09
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winr4r |
invalid operation |
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18:09
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joepie91 |
winr4r: there have been many of these cases in the past |
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18:09
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joepie91 |
there have been none that I can recall where copyright was shown to have promoted innovation |
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18:09
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joepie91 |
and with innovation I actually mean innovation and not "making something different that isn't necessarily better just to avoid copyright" |
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18:10
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joepie91 |
I am not applying this case to copyright generally |
|
18:10
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joepie91 |
I am applying all the cases I've run across to copyright generally |
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joepie91 |
combined with the logical reasoning regarding innovation and derivation |
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joepie91 |
combined with the lack of evidence to the contrary |
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joepie91 |
I'd say that's a pretty solid argument, altogether |
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joepie91 |
I do also have to note that so far, I haven't spoken to a single person that was able to show a case where copyright clearly promoted innovation |
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joepie91 |
and I've asked quite a few people |
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DFJustin |
well there are many innovative creative works that would not have been produced if not for the expectation that they could be sold |
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DFJustin |
now I would argue that in a zero-copyright environment, crowdfunding could replace a lot of that |
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joepie91 |
the best anyone could come up with was "correlation" (ie. tech has advanced in the past X years, and that MUST be due to copyright) without any concrete evidence |
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DFJustin |
but that's not quite the same thing as saying it does nothing |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: that's the thing |
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joepie91 |
how can you know what those works wouldn't have been produced if copyright didn't exist? |
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18:14
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joepie91 |
also, copyright doesn't exist != things cannot be sold |
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joepie91 |
they're somewhat related concepts, but not the same thing |
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joepie91 |
er, s/what/that/ |
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SketchCow |
Gitmooooooo |
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joepie91 |
(also, I should probably point out that copyright never had as its core intention to be a business model - that was just a tool to reach the goal of innovation, which seems to have failed miserably) |
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joepie91 |
(so any reasoning that anyone might have along the lines of "but if we abolish copyright, this and that industry will die!" is therefore invalid, as their existence is purely a result of their unintended use of a legal instrument) |
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DFJustin |
yeah I'm fully onboard with the idea that certain industries may only exist now for artificial reasons and in a post-copyright situation we would have to live with their reduction in size |
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DFJustin |
but I don't agree that they produce nothing of value, just that that value may be less than the costs of the social restrictions required |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: if that should be interpreted as "it's not worth it", I agree on that |
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winr4r |
well, in the coming decades we're going to find out what unenforceable (sp) copyright looks like, which for practical purposes, is the same as no copyright |
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winr4r |
so we won't need to speculate! |
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DFJustin |
well I would argue that's already the status quo |
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DFJustin |
at least as far as noncommercial use goes |
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joepie91 |
I think unenforceable is actually the correct spelling |
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winr4r |
i don't think it's necessarily a good thing, but that's how it's going |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: not quite yet |
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joepie91 |
derivatives are still hard |
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18:23
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DFJustin |
yes that is the correct spelling |
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18:23
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joepie91 |
currently copyright is unenforceable for direct usage of existing materials |
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joepie91 |
but that's really not the most interesting and/or innovative part |
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winr4r |
DFJustin: nah, you'll still get raided if you sell stuff made by other people, for example |
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joepie91 |
think fansubbing or fandubbing groups, they are still having issues distributing their derivatives |
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DFJustin |
sure I think you would get more good stuff like derivatives if it were legal |
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joepie91 |
as in, in video format and such |
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joepie91 |
despite their noncommercialness |
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DFJustin |
but i think we're seeing the full *negative* consequences now i.e. it won't get any worse |
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ersi |
joepie91: Well, I agree with you. But it wasn't completely unfounded, which I thought at first |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: that, I can probably agree with |
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joepie91 |
ersi: re: which thing? |
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joepie91 |
the completely unfounded part |
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DFJustin |
there may be a little more copying in the future as old people who don't know how to copy things die off but they're not the market for most media anyway |
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ersi |
joepie91: raiding/serving the subtitle site |
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DFJustin |
I don't see selling stuff made by other people as having much room for growth, either people will want to pay the original creators or they will just download it for free |
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joepie91 |
ersi: hm, I'd still consider it unfounded... not sure what happened to "go to court first" |
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ersi |
DFJustin: Well, I guess they consider the subtitles to make the 'pirate version of the movie' more popular |
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DFJustin |
bootleg dvds and such fill a vacuum created by bad internet lines and difficult file sharing |
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ersi |
joepie91: So do I, read what I wrote. I said *completely* unfounded ;) |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: I don't completely agree |
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DFJustin |
with a dash of fraud |
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joepie91 |
there's also a psychological factor |
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joepie91 |
especially in the past, when filesharing wasn't as pervasive as it is now |
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joepie91 |
I did notice that people who bought copies off friends, seemed to feel less guilty about it and less affected by guilt-creating propaganda |
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ersi |
I feel the availability of music and video has gone way down, maybe Spotify and the Video On Demand services do make a differance there |
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joepie91 |
than those that downloaded it |
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joepie91 |
because they still felt like they "paid their share" for it |
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joepie91 |
even if it didn't go to the creator |
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joepie91 |
now that filesharing is so pervasive and generally quite socially accepted... I don't think that really applies anymore |
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ersi |
Well, in Sweden, we pay for the privilige of making self-copies (I'm sure you guys do as well) with the blank-media "private tax" |
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joepie91 |
ersi: the legal availability seems to have gotten worse |
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joepie91 |
and yes, we have a similar system |
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joepie91 |
also, I should actually elaorate |
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joepie91 |
when I say "legal availability has gotten worse" I don't mean it has gotten less |
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joepie91 |
but it has gotten more restricted |
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joepie91 |
setups like radio-style music sites to avoid having to pay full licensing fees |
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ersi |
Nah, at least not here in Sweden - availability of legal shops where you can get music and movies and tv shows have gone up. Availability on the same thing in the piracy scene seems to be way lower though |
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joepie91 |
removing the ability to just search for and play a track |
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joepie91 |
DRM on music files |
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joepie91 |
and so on |
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ersi |
I don't consider DRM making it unavailable |
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ersi |
It's still available, but in a lesser free format |
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joepie91 |
hence 'worse' and not 'less' |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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DFJustin |
I have noticed a decline in "traditional" p2p networks but I assumed it was due to bittorrent and now file hosting sites being easier for most people |
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joepie91 |
it restricts your possible actions with it |
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DFJustin |
unfortunately this makes "back catalog" type stuff a lot harder to find |
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joepie91 |
ie. want to read your ebook on your device that doesn't read protected $format files? youre shit out of luck |
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joepie91 |
no way to legally convert it (in many jurisdictions) |
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joepie91 |
DFJustin: back catalog? |
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DFJustin |
older or less popular media |
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joepie91 |
ah |
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18:31
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joepie91 |
well, what.cd does have a lot |
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joepie91 |
but meh |
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joepie91 |
closed |
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DFJustin |
you can always get the latest album off mediafire but in 3 years it will be dmca'd and maybe nobody cares anymore to reupload it |
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18:32
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DFJustin |
whereas on emule it would still be there |
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18:32
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joepie91 |
it seems that long-term availability has moved to closed platforms |
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joepie91 |
private trackers, restricted sneakernets, etc |
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18:32
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joepie91 |
perhaps sneakernet is not the right term |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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joepie91 |
but I hope you get what I mean |
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DFJustin |
since people don't need emule for the new stuff, they're not leaving it running and thus their collections have gone dark |
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18:33
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DFJustin |
and yeah private sites help with that although there can still be seeding issues with old content |
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SketchCow |
I'm getting it all |
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SketchCow |
<3 |
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ersi |
joepie91: closed? what.cd? what are you on about :o |
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SketchCow |
As opposed to open access. |
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ersi |
aha |
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joepie91 |
as SketchCow said |
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underscor |
tbh, it's *generally* gotten easier to just pay for your media |
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underscor |
with spotify and netflix, as long as you don't care about the fact that you're just licensing it, and not buying |
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underscor |
you can get bascially all the music and movies/tv you could ever need for under $30 a month |
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balrog |
yes, but access is at the whim of the gatekeepers |
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balrog |
if they want to take it off spotify or netflix, they can do that overnight |
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underscor |
right, true |
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underscor |
but that's part of the premium you pay for the price cut |
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underscor |
I do certainly wish there was a service like netflix that just gave you sweet-ass 1080p MKVs |
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joepie91 |
underscor: TPB + flex! |
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underscor |
I mean a service that I could pay for :P |
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joepie91 |
er, sorry, plex |
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joepie91 |
derp |
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20:02
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joepie91 |
not flex |
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underscor |
and actually recompense rights holders |
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ersi |
Yeah, like bandcamp for video |
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underscor |
hell yes |
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joepie91 |
underscor: I see your point |
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ersi |
I'd jizz all over that |
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20:02
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underscor |
I feel like that should already be a thing |
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20:02
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underscor |
Why is it not a thing |
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underscor ycombinators |
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* |
joepie91 doesn't like the term "rights holders" though |
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ersi |
because the video we want, is held by huge rights holders |
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joepie91 |
underscor: those artists that are interested and able to do so, already do so |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
through various means |
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ersi |
that have their own thoughts about those artifacts |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
those that aren't, aren't, and want to hold on to prehistoric and restrictive models |
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ersi |
artists don't do videos |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
the combination of the two is what you see now |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
ersi: there -are- bandcamp-like platforms |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
for video |
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20:03
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joepie91 |
hell, that's how that minecraft docu was distributed |
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20:04
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joepie91 |
"ah, I see you paid, here you go, a 1080p mkv" |
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ersi |
Name one instead of saying it exists |
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20:04
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joepie91 |
give me a sec to load my email |
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20:04
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joepie91 |
actually |
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20:04
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joepie91 |
website is faster |
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ersi |
hmm |
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20:05
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joepie91 |
http://vhx.tv/ |
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20:05
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joepie91 |
is the one the minecraft docu is using now |
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20:05
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joepie91 |
it seems |
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20:05
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joepie91 |
there was another one they used before |
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ersi |
But if you don't care about the availability of the things you want to watch and aren't annoyed by either DRM or that you don't own what you watch - Netflix and the other On Demand services are really hitting home |
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ersi |
Well, not as greatly in the FOSS-nerds-that-debate things arena |
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20:06
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ersi |
but for common folks and common tech folks |
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20:06
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joepie91 |
http://redux.com/ is what they used before |
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20:06
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joepie91 |
@ ersi |
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20:06
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ersi |
ah, alright - havn't heard about them before |
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winr4r |
joepie91: i'm big on the "give people money and get a huge fucking MPEG in return" model |
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20:11
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joepie91 |
oh look, someone trying to hijack my blog through a password reset again |
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20:12
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joepie91 |
really not quite sure why people try that |
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20:23
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Schbirid |
too much text and emotitional statements for me to read but http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brain-of-your-devices |
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20:25
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joepie91 |
They have one content, |
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20:25
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joepie91 |
what? |
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21:49
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godane |
g4tv.com-video2152: Steve Jobs Keynote Macworld Tokyo Part 1: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video2152 |
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22:14
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godane |
wow |
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22:15
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godane |
looks like google has instead access to archive.org |
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22:15
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godane |
in that once its in archive.org |
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22:16
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godane |
google can find it |
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22:21
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godane |
uploaded: https://archive.org/details/cdrom-linuxformatmagazine-94 |