#archiveteam-bs 2013-08-11,Sun

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08:47 ๐Ÿ”— DFJustin http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/523651724/legend-of-iya
08:54 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax ah I love seeing GM games getting good press
08:54 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax without GM we wouldn't have Hotline Miami or Spelunky
11:07 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Anyone got an invite for medium?
11:55 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Or know someone who does? It is turning out to be one of the hottest and most exclusive of the new blogging platforms
12:06 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I'm not too fond of reading material at medium.com
12:08 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ why?
12:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I think it's the blandness. I don't know Who's talking to me
12:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Also, that kudos thing makes me rage
12:09 ๐Ÿ”— ersi *starts to hover over* what's this? Thanks for kudos!!! Wait, what?
12:26 ๐Ÿ”— brayden The hell is medium.com?
12:32 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG ^^
12:32 ๐Ÿ”— brayden I did end up going to the site and it isn't that great lol
12:32 ๐Ÿ”— brayden Just yet another blogging platform.
12:36 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Yeah, it really is
12:39 ๐Ÿ”— brayden A bit hipster too
12:39 ๐Ÿ”— brayden Reminds me of http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/johnonolan/ghost-just-a-blogging-platform as well
12:40 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 BlueMax: huh, thought I was reading #gmc for a moment
12:40 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 lol
12:41 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax oh shush, laughing stock of defcon :P
12:41 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 hahaha
12:41 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 oh man
12:41 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 comedy gold
12:42 ๐Ÿ”— brayden Did I miss something? :(
12:42 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG you found out who this was yet joepie91 ?
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 nope
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 brayden: some people believing they talked to me at Defcon
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— godane so one of my g4 videos got reviewed
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 only one slight problem
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I wasn't... actually at Defcon
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 lol
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— brayden oh dear
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 so a few people got trolled good, it seems :)
12:43 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 it's quite amusing really
12:50 ๐Ÿ”— BlueMax "I was there in spirit!"
12:52 ๐Ÿ”— ersi mmmh, spirits
13:55 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS Was there a period when I was joinspamming?
13:55 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS Like, in the last 12 hours?
13:57 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
13:58 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ http://www.coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers/
13:58 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Can you tell me how to reticulate splines using a hexagonal decode system so that I can build a GUI in VisualBasic and track an IP Address
13:59 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I love that article, most of the HN crowd dismiss it with nit picking but it is reality
13:59 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS Sure, just spread peanut butter into the internet vent ports
13:59 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS Make sure it's evenly applied
14:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ See the thing I never understand is these mouth breathers need computer help and cannot understand that the person helping is probably smarter than them
14:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Or at least has done the routine enough
14:01 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Like anything else that can be learned we can imprint a certain level of ability onto people via repetition
14:02 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_competence#The_four_stages
14:04 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I personally believe the school system is not imparting enough computer competence onto the students. Most kids who grew up with the internet already out there and they cannot work a spreadsheet or do any sort of system admin on the devices they own. Here comes another car analogy
14:05 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ You buy a car and you can maintain it yourself or pay someone to do it.
14:05 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ It is known that cars need maintenance.
14:06 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ The computer is so twisted that when a computer starts to break down, people just go buy a new one. The concept of having to maintain your computer because the world changes is lost
14:07 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ so these skills get ignored by the masses and they turn around and treat computer people as base servicemen like a car mechanic. While some computer work on the hardware and software side is simple rote over and over again, it changes quickly after that point
14:07 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ tl;dr: Treat your computer people well
14:11 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft what shock me most is that people dont want to learn
14:11 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft like, they actively refuse how to learn, even the simple thing
14:11 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG doesn't shock me
14:11 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG people are ignorant :/
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft the on/off wi-fi switch, for example
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Yeah people do not want to learn because they are not used to learning
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Your mind is a muscle, you keep learning things and learning stuff is easy
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft I had to "fix" it for the same people multiple times
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft the first time, no problem, but the second, shouldnt they remember it?
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 <Ravenloft>like, they actively refuse how to learn, even the simple thing
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 this
14:12 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 yes
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I've found a way around that... ish
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 when people (ie. parents) tell me "I don't know how to this and that"
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 I basically just echo back their questions
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 in slightly different wording so they don't recognize it as their own question
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 and wait for them to answer them
14:13 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 and then go "see? you knew all along"
14:14 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 there's some inexplicably fear in people to just try and click shit and see what happens
14:14 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 inexplicable *
14:14 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ fucking hackers man, damn viruses all up in our gibson
14:14 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ rofl
14:15 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft joepie91 yeah, people dont even try
14:15 ๐Ÿ”— ersi joepie91: Please, don't use "this" to blasp out your agreement of things. All the text you produced around "this" is a much better "this!".
14:15 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS So I somehow managed to knock an entire VPS node offline for 12 hours by making 6000 concurrent connections..
14:16 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ joepie91, I think it is narcissism. They don't want to take the risk and fuck up because then they have to admin to someone else that they do not know how to fix it. Ego protection
14:16 ๐Ÿ”— ersi GLaDOS: Nice
14:16 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS ersi: I don't even know how I made the 6k connections
14:16 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Breaking stuff is fun!
14:17 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS They won't reply to my support tickeeeeeet
14:17 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ is there going to be an encore performance GLaDOS ?
14:17 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Become a Software Tester. Breaking stuff is fun!
14:17 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS Once I get another VPS somewhere else, sure.
14:17 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS I have one on another node as well. Set Discourse up on it today.
14:18 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ ersi++
14:18 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ oooh
14:18 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ how was that
14:19 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS http://hastebin.com/galiyisace.md
14:19 ๐Ÿ”— GLaDOS The support guy did a whole sort for me as well!
14:23 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud that article is fascinating- the coding2learn one
14:24 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I have personally seen every scenario he mentions from working for the state and doing volunteer work at conferences and events
14:24 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I wish I was so lucky to only get those types of issues
14:25 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I see a surprising amount of issues that seem simple, but are most definitely not
14:28 ๐Ÿ”— Ravenloft I feel sad that I only know 2 or 3 people that know how to answer that question (the difference between internet, www, etc)
14:36 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ the HN comments about the article make me weep for humanity
14:37 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I don't doubt that the comments suck a lot
14:38 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ HN needs real moderation
14:38 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ but it will never have it
14:38 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud but what does "real" moderation look like? and if the community isn't behind it, how can it ever be effective?
14:39 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ good moderation has to be built in from the start, trying to tack it onto a community later always causes crazy shit to happen
14:39 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 omf_: moderating away things doesn't make the opinions or ideas go away
14:39 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud changing the culture of a site is really hard
14:40 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 the point is, is changing the culture desirable in the first place
14:40 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 will the culture not just go elsewhere where it is welcomed?
14:52 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ yeah that is the nature of the internet. HN probably won't change, something new has to come along that starts out with a better cultural framework
14:53 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ its like the whole code of conduct thing going on at a bunch of conferences. A CoC is a guideline for handling bad behavior when it happens, it is not going to prevent bad behavior. People are not self aware enough to go "Hey I got this thing I do that they are not going to like, better not go."
14:54 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ We're lucky if people even read the CoC
14:55 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ HN is better than slashdot in the sense that there aren't constant hitler jokes and off color humor every 3 comments
14:56 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ but HN still has personal attacks on authors and other comments and people play it off because it was an "enlightened" observation
14:57 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I believe in the "Don't read comments" movement but part of the value of HN itself is fun facts and programs people talk about in the comments
14:57 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I never youtube comments, or comments on the news
15:02 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Its like people using the comments to micro blog where the news item is the subject matter
15:07 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I never take the comments very seriously, I just look for gems.
15:10 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud youtube comments depend hugely on the video and the audience
15:13 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Hah, youtube and comments
15:13 ๐Ÿ”— ersi Good one.
15:14 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud frontpage youtube stuff is virtually guaranteed to have the famous youtube comment quality
15:14 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud but as you move off the frontpage, comment quality does improve
15:14 ๐Ÿ”— ersi .. no.
15:15 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud I don't think you realize what you are saying- you're saying that comments on youtube videos are universally pointless and stupid
15:16 ๐Ÿ”— ersi I do realise exactly what I was trying to convey. And it seems like you just did, as well. :)
15:17 ๐Ÿ”— ersi In general, most, which approaches "all" comments on YouTube are pointless and most often completely silly. There is of course a few small exceptions. But in general, it's not worth even looking at the comment field.
15:20 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud it depends on how big and who the audience for the videos is- if your audience is "mainstream", comments will suck. The further off the "mainstream" you go, the better the comments generally will be.
15:48 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje I've seen some great science-y videos with silly low viewcounts turn into good discussion in the comments
15:48 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje scared the shit out of me when I saw it
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— brayden All the videos I watch seem to have have Breaking Bad characters commenting and making stupid referneces.
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— brayden *references.
15:51 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 Aranje: "YouTube has become sentient!"
15:58 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje and it's unevenly distributed etc
16:07 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ *achievement unlocked* My whole house smells like fresh bacon
16:18 ๐Ÿ”— joepie91 http://regexcrossword.com/
16:26 ๐Ÿ”— ersi omf_: You started smoking bacon at home?
16:27 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ yep
16:27 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje hot
16:27 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ bacon is just so versatile
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ A friend just threw a 14lbs pork shoulder on his smoker covered in mustard sauce
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ He has smoked a new meat each week all summer
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje how do I live closer to you
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje :3
16:28 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Last week was a 6.6lbs roundtip
16:29 ๐Ÿ”— * Aranje will stick with shoulder roast
16:30 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ that smoked honey smell just lingers รขย€ยœรฃยƒยฝ(ร‚ยดรขย–ยฝรฏยฝย€)รฃยƒยŽรขย€ย
16:30 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje :>
16:36 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Any one else a cast iron cook? I gotta clean up this one pan and I am thinking of trying out the heated oil and salt method
16:48 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG 14lb o_O
16:49 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG me and my friend built a ugly drum smoker
16:49 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG we smoked a few things on it.
16:49 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG good times
16:49 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG tho the pork we did last week could of done with a bit longer D:
16:52 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje love me some cast iron
16:53 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ SmileyG, you get a tape worm?
16:53 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje cookware material of the gods
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG omf_: hahah no, but it was slightly tough.
16:54 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG very slightly (didn't pull very well, so he just sliced it)/.
16:57 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Aranje, two of the pans I got are passed down. Older than me by a few decades
16:57 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje the best kind
16:57 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ My mother didn't like cast iron but she was a terrible cook
16:57 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje That's something I'm going to be doing this decade
16:58 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje so I have pans to pass
16:58 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ So I only have two pans to get and they used to have more
16:58 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I bought a large flat pan for pancakes and a dutch oven for pasta
16:58 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ and I use neither now since I cut both of those out of my diet a while back
16:59 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje my first purchase will be a 9 inch fry pan
16:59 ๐Ÿ”— Aranje I need to go yardsaling
17:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ yeah I am browsing craigslist right now
17:02 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I still need to get a cast iron tea kettle
17:04 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG these are things I don't have D:
17:04 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG i have a cast iron skillet, a small one
17:06 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ Cast iron is so good you only need 3-4 pieces total and you can cook anything
17:07 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ You can kill zombies with them too
17:08 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I do not need to buy pots and pans ever again
17:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi omf_: cast iron rocks
17:58 ๐Ÿ”— ersi We got a pan that's been passed down as well
17:59 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ It just makes things so easy. I tried a bunch of the "normal" pots and pans they sell in stores and I was always disappointed
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ The only downside I see to cast iron is the weight
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi They work "alright".. but not for very long
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ yeah stuff breaks too easy
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi usually scrape the bottom of the pan and then they're pretty much done
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ I take my cast iron camping and leave it out in the snow
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi rock solid
18:00 ๐Ÿ”— ersi all you need to do is to grease them occationally
18:01 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ yep
18:01 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ The only non-cast iron pan I got left is a little sauce pan
18:01 ๐Ÿ”— ersi though, cast iron pans aren't all that fun when they're brand-new
18:01 ๐Ÿ”— ersi needs a lot of greasing in to be nice
18:04 ๐Ÿ”— omf_ LARD
18:08 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG :D
18:08 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG i like stainless steel. :/
18:09 ๐Ÿ”— SmileyG screw the non-stick stuff, nothing sticks to stainless steel forever.
19:23 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i'm starting to upload the blaze highlights
19:23 ๐Ÿ”— godane now your going to be getting stuff that is public
19:24 ๐Ÿ”— godane first item for example: https://archive.org/details/gbtv_18164343_1200K
20:24 ๐Ÿ”— godane you will find the The Blaze Highlights here: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22The+BlazeTV+Highlights%22
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