#archiveteam-bs 2014-10-31,Fri

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00:19 🔗 wp494 SketchCow: there's a spammer all the way from '09 on IA
00:19 🔗 is4 Can I add something to the URL of an arcade rom page to get an onscreen keyboard?
00:19 🔗 wp494 https://archive.org/details/@perrysantiago#uploads
00:19 🔗 SketchCow Not yet.
00:19 🔗 SketchCow (Keyboards)
00:19 🔗 SketchCow Adding them soon.
00:43 🔗 godane https://archive.org/details/@chris85#uploads
01:04 🔗 rona # Appears as ANNA
01:12 🔗 godane SketchCow: so i got a email from jeff
01:12 🔗 godane looks like i'm loading things too fast for them
01:20 🔗 SketchCow Oh Jeff
01:23 🔗 godane i think my ERIC items take up too many jobs
01:43 🔗 DFJustin hahahaha
03:02 🔗 joepie91 right then
03:02 🔗 joepie91 so I have my new PC up and running
03:02 🔗 joepie91 and I've been.. "benchmarking" it a bit
03:03 🔗 joepie91 Xonotic at highest possible settings, not a lag spike or framerate drop to be found
03:03 🔗 joepie91 CPU temp hovers between 25 and 35 celsius
03:03 🔗 joepie91 fans spin down *immediately* after closing down something that's causing load, so airflow seems good
03:03 🔗 joepie91 :D
03:04 🔗 joepie91 and overall it's dead quiet
03:17 🔗 dashcloud awesome!
03:17 🔗 dashcloud all SSD based, or still some spinning disks?
03:18 🔗 joepie91 dashcloud: 100% spinning disks :P
03:18 🔗 joepie91 durability etc
03:19 🔗 joepie91 1TB WD Blue as main OS disk now
03:19 🔗 joepie91 4TB WD Green as storage
03:19 🔗 joepie91 and I have an old 36GB WD Raptor that I plan on shoving in for swap and other disk-intensive things
03:19 🔗 dashcloud will this be a project machine, main machine, or one of your archive machines?
03:19 🔗 joepie91 but I'm short on power connectors currently
03:19 🔗 joepie91 dashcloud: main desktop :)
03:19 🔗 joepie91 replacing the old crappy hand-me-down that I used before
03:19 🔗 dashcloud yay!
03:20 🔗 joepie91 that tended to exhibit hardware failures every other day
03:20 🔗 joepie91 >.>
03:20 🔗 joepie91 (not exaggerating)
03:20 🔗 joepie91 I'm kinda amazed that it kept booting for so long, given that the PSU was fucked, the RAM was probably fucked, the GPU was fucked
03:20 🔗 joepie91 and so on
03:20 🔗 joepie91 so it's now standing in the corner of my room as "spare parts, box, whatever"
03:21 🔗 joepie91 dashcloud: my case: http://www.sharkoon.com/sites/default/files/products/pc_cases/VG4-W_01.jpg
03:21 🔗 joepie91 minus fan LEDs
03:21 🔗 joepie91 I've replaced the casefans with Noctua fans
03:21 🔗 joepie91 because quiet
03:22 🔗 joepie91 they're rated for 7dB I think.. :P
03:22 🔗 dashcloud awesome
03:22 🔗 joepie91 CPU fan is rated for... 15dB?
03:22 🔗 joepie91 PSU fan for 20
03:22 🔗 joepie91 under low/regular load
03:23 🔗 joepie91 altogether, you have to make an effort to hear it
03:23 🔗 joepie91 (not using stock CPU cooler, added on a Cooler Master Hyper T4)
03:24 🔗 joepie91 so yeah, if anybody is in NL and needs a stock AMD cooler or blue-LED 120mm case fans, you can come pick them up :P
03:24 🔗 joepie91 though I may keep one 120mm on hand just in case
03:24 🔗 joepie91 (caution: stock AMD cooler sucks at cooling)
03:25 🔗 joepie91 anyway, tl;dr, awesome new box :D
03:25 🔗 joepie91 with much better performance than I'd expected
04:09 🔗 godane so feb 2008 of funny or die videos are all uploaded now
04:10 🔗 godane i hope to have all of funny or die videos uploaded by next year
04:10 🔗 godane *next year sometime
04:11 🔗 godane i'm NOT going to get this all backed up in 2 months
04:22 🔗 godane funny that Jeff is in the folk band
04:41 🔗 TFGBD Will archive.org take my viruses?
05:14 🔗 xmc yes
05:20 🔗 TFGBD lol
05:20 🔗 TFGBD Good, cuz i have like 10 years of them
05:21 🔗 TFGBD will they just hide them or something?
05:21 🔗 TFGBD How do you ensure they aren't removed since I saw mentions on their site of having some kind of malware scanner
05:23 🔗 xmc you should email info@archive.org to make sure
05:23 🔗 xmc they will not delete things but they may make them invisible until you get permission to make them visible
05:24 🔗 TFGBD I dunno if I've want the viruses visable
05:24 🔗 TFGBD visible*
05:25 🔗 garyrh if the virus scanner sees something it doesn't like, it will dark the item.
05:25 🔗 xmc dark = make invisible
05:26 🔗 TFGBD AhhAhh
05:26 🔗 kyan Just found the IA beta interface... so, um, IA is now Pinterest? But seriously, it's awesome. I've been having a LOT of fun browsing through it :)
05:26 🔗 xmc yuuup
05:43 🔗 SketchCow It's the new thing.
05:43 🔗 SketchCow godane: Yes, Jeff is in the band
05:46 🔗 godane so december 2004 msnbc.com videos is almost done
05:51 🔗 TFGBD where did those come from?
05:54 🔗 godane TFGBD: msnbc.com videos came from msnbc.com ;-)
05:54 🔗 godane or what is now nbcnews.com
07:03 🔗 godane i'm now starting to upload jan 2005 msnbc.com videos
07:05 🔗 TFGBD How did you get them?
07:06 🔗 TFGBD You guys were doing this in 2005?
07:07 🔗 godane by going thur displaymode pages on nbcnews.com
07:08 🔗 godane they encoded all past videos into flash
07:08 🔗 godane i was able to find clips going back to 1998
07:14 🔗 TFGBD Ahh, nice!
14:50 🔗 joepie91 kyan: you're the second person to compare IA beta to Pinterest... reality is that that layout was around long before Pinterest :)
14:50 🔗 joepie91 conceptually that is, not necessarily for IA
14:54 🔗 midas and pinterest is new stuff, ia is oldstuff, way more interresting
17:18 🔗 schbirid whoa facebookcorewwwi.onion
17:22 🔗 joepie91 yep
17:22 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: dubious for a number of reasons
17:23 🔗 schbirid i kinda trust their "we want people to use fb in countries where gov interferes"
17:23 🔗 schbirid but still a big nope
17:24 🔗 schbirid kinda anti tor
17:26 🔗 ersi anti tor?
17:27 🔗 shana64 Hello, am i doing something wrong: I am working on ancestry and have received nothing but this: No item received. There aren't any items available for this project at the moment. Try again later. Retrying after 300 seconds...
17:28 🔗 schbirid ersi: we make it easier for you to go around gov surveillance so we can surveil you instead
17:34 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: are you familiar with vanity hidden service address generation
17:35 🔗 ersi schbirid: Huh? Tor? or Facebook?
18:22 🔗 aaaaaaaaa speaking of onions, that reminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vo1IwmaUz90 watch out, its a bit loud.
18:23 🔗 TFGBD So, I just downloaded 20GB of Microsoft web installers
18:23 🔗 TFGBD Gah, I hate those things
18:24 🔗 TFGBD Fortunately the ones I wanted let you use the /a administrative install switch to install them for offline use.
18:24 🔗 TFGBD is that on the FAQ?
18:25 🔗 TFGBD A lot of installers offer a built in way to download them for offline use. You can usually find the switches if you do a /? on the installer executable.
18:34 🔗 joepie91 microsoft web installers?
18:36 🔗 TFGBD Yes, a shitload of this more recent stuff doesn't let you download a real installer
18:36 🔗 TFGBD It's a web boostrapper that downloads the cabs/msis/whatever as you are installing it
18:37 🔗 joepie91 oh right
18:37 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: there should be a link to an offline version
18:37 🔗 joepie91 somewhere on the download page
18:37 🔗 joepie91 or well, there used to be anyway
18:37 🔗 joepie91 "for unattended installation" I think they said
18:38 🔗 TFGBD Nope
18:38 🔗 TFGBD What you have to do is do what is called an MSI administrative install
18:38 🔗 TFGBD which is what i did
18:38 🔗 TFGBD basically msiexec /a appname.msi
18:38 🔗 TFGBD see here for an example: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=3584
18:39 🔗 TFGBD This is over 10GB so they let you only download the components you want
18:39 🔗 TFGBD But I hate that because it's possible they could take down the original download at a moment's notice
18:39 🔗 TFGBD Chrome does this same crap
18:39 🔗 TFGBD Though, they at least (sometimes) offer a hidden offline installer somewhere
18:39 🔗 TFGBD joepie91: some newer MS stuff has no real documented offline download method
18:40 🔗 TFGBD Mainly SDKs and such
18:40 🔗 joepie91 :(
18:40 🔗 joepie91 proprietary software sucks
18:40 🔗 TFGBD Open source sucks too if they take down the repos ;P
18:40 🔗 TFGBD It's the same thing
18:40 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: definitely not the same thing
18:40 🔗 TFGBD Actually, OSS kind of pioneered that crap
18:40 🔗 TFGBD It's close
18:40 🔗 joepie91 open-source software can easily be (legally) mirrored and that's exactly what happens
18:41 🔗 TFGBD Yeah, I get that too
18:41 🔗 joepie91 and you can get to the software to begin with
18:41 🔗 joepie91 like
18:41 🔗 joepie91 with this MS crap
18:41 🔗 TFGBD Sometimes the proprietairy stuff tells you not to
18:41 🔗 joepie91 you couldn't even really figure out WHERE the data is without using Wireshark
18:41 🔗 joepie91 even if you wanted to mirror it somewhere
18:41 🔗 joepie91 that problem doesn't really exist with OSS stuff, it's always clear where to get a copy
18:41 🔗 joepie91 that's the whole point of it
18:42 🔗 TFGBD Well, fortunately, most of the ones I'm interested in will take a command line switch to let you download an offline copy
18:42 🔗 TFGBD Though, before I knew this, I went as far as reverse engineering an MSI to find the download URLs
18:42 🔗 TFGBD joepie91: I get you
18:42 🔗 TFGBD Though, the same happens to OSS if not enough people take interest in mirroring "old" stuff because it is "old"
18:43 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: yes, but that is the case regardless of distribution/licensing model
18:43 🔗 joepie91 the point is that OSS software doesn't have the artificial technical/legal barriers that proprietary software does
18:43 🔗 joepie91 so *if* you want to keep a copy, then you *can* do so
18:43 🔗 TFGBD anyway, I'm in the process of uploading my CE5 as we speak :P
18:43 🔗 TFGBD I hope Archive.org HTML5 uploader can handle 5GB...
18:44 🔗 joepie91 sure, peanuts
18:44 🔗 joepie91 just needs time
18:44 🔗 joepie91 :P
18:44 🔗 TFGBD It's 10GB unzipped
18:44 🔗 TFGBD I wish it just let me download the cabs
18:44 🔗 TFGBD The offline install seems to just install everything like a normal install but in one directory
18:45 🔗 TFGBD I'm working on CE 6 PB Eval as well as that thing was a bitch to find even the websetup link for
18:47 🔗 TFGBD There are also some SDKs I want to mirror
19:48 🔗 TFGBD I tried the flash uploader and it messed up my upload
19:49 🔗 TFGBD It thought it was a movie and I see no way to change the site section
20:04 🔗 DFJustin admins can fix it, what's the item
20:04 🔗 DFJustin the key is to pick the right collection when setting up the details
20:25 🔗 joepie91 that, or to bother the admins by email afterwards
20:25 🔗 joepie91 :)
20:25 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: aside; the flash uploader sometimes has trouble with large files
20:25 🔗 joepie91 use the HTML5 uploader if at all possible
20:26 🔗 DFJustin which I could use it for existing items :/
20:28 🔗 joepie91 yeah, if you're trying to update an existing item, you're stuck with the Flash uploader :(
20:30 🔗 DFJustin er *wish
21:06 🔗 TFGBD i just reuploaded with the html5 uploader
21:06 🔗 DFJustin erm don't do that
21:06 🔗 TFGBD i guess i can email the about deleting the old one
21:06 🔗 TFGBD them*
21:09 🔗 TFGBD Here's the good upload: https://archive.org/details/MioC320SoftwareandDocumentationDVD
21:10 🔗 TFGBD And the bad one that ended up in Community Video: https://archive.org/details/MitacMioC320SoftwareAndDocumentation
21:11 🔗 DFJustin you can fix ones with the wrong info but you can't delete them
21:12 🔗 DFJustin the best you can do is delete the files out of it and get someone to dark the item, but only a few people can do that
21:12 🔗 TFGBD I'll try that
21:13 🔗 TFGBD Ill add a test file with "please delete this it was a mistake"
21:13 🔗 DFJustin fyi the default for .iso files is video because dvdrips
21:15 🔗 TFGBD Ahh.
21:15 🔗 TFGBD I didn't see a place to change the section
21:16 🔗 TFGBD It would be nice if you could move it to another area without asking an admin :(
21:16 🔗 garyrh you can move items to collections you have permissions for with the s3 api: https://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt
21:16 🔗 DFJustin you can do it with th command line tool
21:16 🔗 DFJustin https://pypi.python.org/pypi/internetarchive
21:16 🔗 DFJustin also there are several admins in this channel :P
21:17 🔗 TFGBD ohh :p
21:17 🔗 TFGBD neat
21:17 🔗 TFGBD I did this: https://archive.org/details/MitacMioC320SoftwareAndDocumentation
21:17 🔗 garyrh huh, didn't know ia could move items.
21:18 🔗 TFGBD When you "delete" stuff, does it really delete them or do they keep them too?
21:18 🔗 DFJustin the collection is just another metadata field
21:18 🔗 DFJustin you have to have permission for the target collection though
21:18 🔗 TFGBD but it stupidly doesn't let the uploader change it
21:18 🔗 DFJustin afaik if you delete a file from the item it's gone, darking the item doesn't delete anything though
21:19 🔗 TFGBD Is there a certain point the uploader can no longer delete it?
21:19 🔗 DFJustin not that I know of
21:19 🔗 TFGBD that means the uploaders could take things form IA :(
21:20 🔗 yipdw TFGBD: that's not stupid, that's intentional
21:20 🔗 DFJustin well it's kind of a stupid intention (the collection thing)
21:20 🔗 DFJustin because I constantly see people whining on the forums to move things or uploading things twice
21:21 🔗 yipdw maybe need more curation power
21:21 🔗 yipdw manpower that is
21:21 🔗 DFJustin for sure, but in the meantime
21:22 🔗 TFGBD Well, what I did it good enough for now
21:22 🔗 TFGBD I'm not really one for forums or email :P
21:27 🔗 garyrh hm, apparently you have to be an admin to move an item to open_source_software with ia.
21:27 🔗 garyrh that or destroy and respecify the metadata with curl.
21:28 🔗 garyrh with ia i got "Can't modify read-only field collection"
21:28 🔗 TFGBD I just uploaded something but it isn't showing up in the Uploads section of my account page
21:29 🔗 TFGBD Does it take some time?
21:31 🔗 DFJustin garyrh: ah I thought you could
21:31 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: you can just contact info@archive.org to have an item darked, btw
21:32 🔗 DFJustin I can do collection changes but I guess it's from being a collection admin
21:32 🔗 garyrh using curl works so i guess it *should* work with ia
21:33 🔗 DFJustin oh
21:33 🔗 garyrh i think you have to be explicitly added as admin to a collection otherwise.
21:38 🔗 joepie91 garyrh: wait, using curl to do what?
21:38 🔗 garyrh to destroy and respecify the metadata
21:40 🔗 joepie91 garyrh: example command?
21:40 🔗 garyrh see http://archive.org/help/abouts3.txt search Destroy and respecify
21:41 🔗 garyrh so if it wasw in opensource_audio, now it would be in opensource
21:41 🔗 garyrh as those are default collections, so you'd have permissions to uploaded things there
21:41 🔗 garyrh *upload
21:44 🔗 joepie91 right, thanks
22:23 🔗 Ravenloft https://torrentfreak.com/photographer-who-sued-imgur-now-has-a-pirate-bay-problem-141022/
22:28 🔗 joepie91 hehe
22:29 🔗 joepie91 "you had a problem, and you thought 'Hey, I'd use a lawsuit!' - now you have two^Wthree problems"
22:29 🔗 joepie91 :D
22:29 🔗 BlueMaxim got 99 problems but a imgur ain't one
22:33 🔗 TFGBD I have some recordings of a few internet radio stations
22:33 🔗 joepie91 upload!
22:33 🔗 TFGBD where would those go
22:33 🔗 DFJustin community audio
22:33 🔗 TFGBD The one station is now defunct
22:33 🔗 TFGBD AND it's a christmas special :P
22:33 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: if it's a lot of the same station, ask for a collection to be created
22:33 🔗 joepie91 if it's just a few, drop them under community audio
22:33 🔗 TFGBD It's only a few hours of one station
22:33 🔗 TFGBD it's music, though
22:33 🔗 TFGBD Music and talk
22:33 🔗 TFGBD Deoes that sitll count as PD?
22:34 🔗 TFGBD does*
22:34 🔗 joepie91 TFGBD: doesn't matter, just upload it
22:34 🔗 joepie91 if somebody complains it'll be darked :P
22:34 🔗 joepie91 see also: https://archive.org/details/afterhoursdjs_livesets
22:35 🔗 TFGBD I should take a recording of Windows XP's activation phone number before they take it down
23:27 🔗 kyan Hmm... I can't find the item history link in the IA beta interface...
23:27 🔗 schbirid ersi: facebook! i love Tor :) proud owner of routers and shirts
23:28 🔗 schbirid joepie91: not familiar, tried vanitygen(?) once for some random idea but thats all
23:29 🔗 schbirid TFGBD: https://archive.org/contribute.php in case you didnt know
23:34 🔗 TFGBD Strange. My upload still isn't there
23:34 🔗 TFGBD It it because I set the creator as Microsoft?
23:34 🔗 schbirid then something probably went wrong :(
23:35 🔗 schbirid should be in the "not done yet" list at least
23:35 🔗 kyan TFGBD: You can see the last jobs your account has triggered: https://archive.org/catalog.php?history=1&justme=1&limit=500
23:39 🔗 xmc kyan: you can change /details/ to /history/ in a url to get the history
23:40 🔗 kyan xmc: Thanks! :) Yeah it would still be nice to have a link though for easy access
23:40 🔗 xmc tru.dat
23:40 🔗 TFGBD it says Waiting to run 0
23:42 🔗 TFGBD Heh, I see lots of MSNBC videos in the queue :P
23:48 🔗 joepie91 schbirid: basically, having a self-chosen address is the equivalent of having computed the private key to an arbitrary predefined public key
23:48 🔗 joepie91 read: serious security issue
23:48 🔗 joepie91 so depending on how exactly they've obtained that onion host - and I'm not sure I believe their explanation - that could be really really bad

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