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godane |
SketchCow: looks like hank moved 3 g4video-web videos to bigthinkers |
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godane |
example: https://archive.org/details/g4tv.com-video3659 |
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godane |
they should stay in the g4video-web collection |
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godane |
the big thinkers collections is for full episodes only |
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godane |
also this episode is not found in search for some reason: https://archive.org/details/Big_Thinkers_-_Robert_Langer_Biomedical_Engineer |
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dashcloud |
this is an amazing article on how deep compatibility runs on Mac: http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/post/109040361205/mpw-carbon-and-building-classic-mac-os-apps-in-os |
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pikhq |
I'm a bit upset that they finally did away with Classic. |
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pikhq |
But, haaah. |
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pikhq |
That's at least as impressive as Windows' API compat. |
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dashcloud |
it may actually be even more impressive- he was able to build an app from the same source file that can run on pretty much every Mac version ever |
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pikhq |
The same is true of Windows. |
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pikhq |
Assuming you're careful, Win16 and Win32 are nigh-identical API-wise assuming you don't use Win32-only APIs. |
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pikhq |
Not to mention that Windows 1.0 binaries still work on 32-bit Windows 8. :) |
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dashcloud |
I had no idea of that either |
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pikhq |
Though obviously it's not quite as good on Linux, source API compat is pretty decent all around there. |
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pikhq |
And if you just install the a.out libc, you can run binaries from '95. Like Netscape 1. |
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yipdw |
now I'm wondering if (a) there's a Debian package for that, (b) if installing it will trigger some crazyass dependency chain that will result in the eradication of all packages |
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pikhq |
There isn't really, but there's old RPMs you can certainly unpack and install manually. |
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pikhq |
Alas. The kernel's ABI compat is spectacular but the userspace's is practically nil. |
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pikhq |
The main weird thing is you're going to need to make sure your kernel has the a.out binfmt built for it. |
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pikhq |
(it's off by default but *most* distros have the module around) |
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pikhq |
Also, old X apps build just fine in general. |
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pikhq |
Always fun grabbing some of the really old IOCCC programs and watch 'em just work. |
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yipdw |
you do that while I futz with a three-month-old Rails app and wonder why the fuck it doesn't boot anymore |
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yipdw |
while crying |
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pikhq |
:) |
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pikhq |
Some days I feel smug for writing in C a lot. |
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pikhq |
... and then I try and write something that works on Windows and Linux, and join you in crying. |
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yipdw |
pikhq: I have actually had pretty good luck with Windows cross-compilation using MXE |
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pikhq |
The problem is that you have to sacrifice one way or another to get it to work. |
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yipdw |
yeah I made several human sacrifices |
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yipdw |
but it works pretty well afterwards |
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pikhq |
Either you give up the sanity of the source code or using Unicode in Windows. |
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pikhq |
(... *ooor* you give up both, as is likely the case as well.) |
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Ctrl-S |
no library for that? |
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pikhq |
Windows doesn't do Unicode in char* strings. |
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pikhq |
Which means literally the only way to get Unicode out of it is to use Windows-specific API functions. |
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yipdw |
I let std::codecvt handle most of it |
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pikhq |
I mean, sure, there's numerous libraries of varying degrees of crap to do that for you, but this is what I mean when I say "give up the sanity of the source code". :) |
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yipdw |
but then again that's C++ |
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Ctrl-S |
thank you for reminding me why i use higher level languages |
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yipdw |
that or use Qt and let it handle all the stuff that I don't want to bother with |
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yipdw |
:P |
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pikhq |
That also doesn't help you, because your basic common strings from, say, a dir listing via opendir, aren't in Unicode! |
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pikhq |
There's in a legacy charset. |
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pikhq |
Because Microsoft hates you and wishes to perpetuate the evils that is not-UTF-8. |
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Ctrl-S |
encode strings in arrays of 16 bit objects? |
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yipdw |
I haven't had to deal with that particular problem directly just yet |
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pikhq |
Yeah, but then you can't use the standard interfaces (reasonably). |
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yipdw |
the thing I'm cross-compiling uses physicsfs for file access, which expects UTF-8 everywhere |
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yipdw |
so it's not really been an issue |
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yipdw |
provided that the search paths are correctly normalized |
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pikhq |
Because on not-Windows, the interfaces for getting Unicode strings are the normal ones that uses char* strings. |
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pikhq |
And the UTF-16 interfaces mostly don't exist. |
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Ctrl-S |
can we just invade the MS campus and flay them until they fix it? |
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pikhq |
I've been proposing it. |
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pikhq |
Indeed I proposed just this a couple hours ago. |
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pikhq |
They at least finally caught up to implementing (portions of) C99. |
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pikhq |
But yeah... Microsoft's painful C environment makes writing C at least 10 times worse than it already is. |
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pikhq |
#ifdef _WIN32 #else #endif *sigh* |
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Ctrl-S |
what if we all just replace windows with a linux distro hacked to provide the MS apis? |
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pikhq |
libwine? |
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pikhq |
(yes, this is a thing. If you don't mind it looking not-native you can just build Windows apps for Linux by depending on libwine.) |
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Ctrl-S |
I still like the invasion plan |
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pikhq |
Oh, sure. |
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aaaaaaaaa |
better watch out. If they manage to win that battle, they'll torture you until you use the ribbon and metro interfaces everywhere. |
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"It looks like you're trying to invade Microsoft." |
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Ctrl-S |
We've got a defector already |
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Ctrl-S |
Clippy might be good for something after all |
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midas |
so #thepiratebay.org closed down |
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midas |
(official channel) |
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midas |
i have logs |
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midas |
for the closure |
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midas |
also, im still there anyway |
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Ctrl-S |
midas did you post them to archive.org? |
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midas |
not yet |
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midas |
still at work atm |
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Ctrl-S |
also is there anything someone with a capped internet connection can do to help you guys? |
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midas |
always |
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Start |
heh |
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Start |
there's nothing like looking through old hardware rumors: http://www.joystiq.com/2004/09/10/xbox-2-design-pics-leaked/ |
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godane |
so i found this site: wow.joystiq.com |
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godane |
and http://massively.joystiq.com/ |
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balrog |
godane: use site: to find subdomains |
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balrog |
google: site:joystiq.com -site:www.joystiq.com |
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balrog |
etc |
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balrog |
(that tip should *probably* be on the wiki) |
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godane |
i'm grabbing the Masssively Speaking Podcast |
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balrog |
godane: if you google like that you'll get subdomains |
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balrog |
then keep adding -site: terms to eliminate subdomains |
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balrog |
that way you can get most subdomains |
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kyan |
"Donate $25 and you will get: * Copyright link removal" wait, um, that sounds illegal.... seems this wordpress theme developer is trying some funny business? http://www.cryoutcreations.eu/forums/f/wordpress/nirvana |
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kyan |
Oh, they mean they'll let you remove the attribution link in the footer. LOL |
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SketchCow |
Right |
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SketchCow |
They all do that |
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schbirid |
lol, the vivaldi gui is so terrible |
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schbirid |
midas: jamming jamming |
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schbirid |
http://starfrosch.ch/hot-100/ is utterly awesome |
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aaaaaaaaa |
Are all major exploits going to have cool names now? Now everybody has to be afraid of GHOST, although I suppose that is scarier sounding than POODLE. |
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ersi |
GHOSTPOODLEHEART |
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chfoo |
ghostpoodleheartbeast |
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chfoo |
ghostpoodleheartbeastcrime |
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chfoo |
ghostpoodleheartbeastcrimebreach |
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chfoo |
i'll stop |
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schbirid |
i |
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schbirid |
i'd name an exploit i find aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
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schbirid |
or FUCKTABLOIDS |
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yipdw |
WHO YOU GONNA CALL |
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yipdw |
GHOSTBUSTERS |
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schbirid |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PmHRSeA2c8#t=14m44s haha |
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i am still watching that, its fun |
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Ravenloft |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6S3XibYYjQ#t=318 |
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