#archiveteam-bs 2015-10-29,Thu

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01:06 🔗 yipdw .tw https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/659501892880338944
01:06 🔗 botpie91 Sorry, couldn't get a tweet from https://twitter.com/Pinboard/status/659501892880338944 (@Pinboard)
01:06 🔗 yipdw meh
01:10 🔗 anomie Is the clients ip address recorded in a WARC file? If so, should I be able to remove it with sed?
01:14 🔗 yipdw the client IP is not put into a WARC record with wget-warc or wpull, but it may be present in the response
01:14 🔗 yipdw wait, no
01:14 🔗 yipdw I take that back
01:14 🔗 yipdw WARC-IP-Address is a standard WARC record header for precisely that purpose
01:15 🔗 yipdw if you're uploading WARCs to IA, please don't remove that
01:15 🔗 yipdw given the variation in responses possible from different origins it's very useful data
01:15 🔗 aaaaaaaaa isn't that an optional header?
01:15 🔗 yipdw you know what, I'll shut the fuck up
01:15 🔗 yipdw WARC-IP-Address is the contacted *host's* IP
01:16 🔗 anomie Ah, okay.
01:16 🔗 yipdw the client's IP is not present, at least not in any ArchiveBot WARCs
01:17 🔗 yipdw anyway yes you can rewrite WARCs; while they are text it would be good to use something that understands WARC structure, like warcat
01:17 🔗 anomie For purposes unrelated to Archive Team, I'm considering producing some warc files with warcprox, and sharing then publicly. So, I was wondering what might betray my identity.
01:17 🔗 anomie That's the question I should I have asked in the first place.
01:17 🔗 yipdw however doing so alters the WARC with all the consequences that implies
01:18 🔗 yipdw anomie: probably anything
01:18 🔗 yipdw the WARCs contain cookies, could contain origin IPs if the response contains them
01:18 🔗 anomie I figure cookies might do it.
01:18 🔗 anomie would it be non-trivial to remove cookies from WARCs?
01:19 🔗 yipdw you can eliminate the Cookie: headers in the response bodies, though that may or may not break your archive
01:19 🔗 yipdw depends on whether or not the replayed page needs them
01:19 🔗 yipdw if you want to protect your identity, I recommend using a fetcher that isn't connected with you at all
01:19 🔗 yipdw there's too many ways for a server to record you in its requests
01:19 🔗 yipdw er responses
01:20 🔗 anomie Right, but then I'm afraid some anti-scraping mechanisms could ruin it.
01:20 🔗 yipdw tradeoffs
01:20 🔗 anomie I suppose.
01:20 🔗 yipdw a third way is to remote-control Chromium or something but AFAIK nobody has written a Chromium bridge -> WARC thing yet
01:21 🔗 anomie There's WARCreate.
01:21 🔗 yipdw it's one project on the list of Things I Will Never Get To for ArchiveBot
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01:23 🔗 yipdw WARCreate is a possibility; you still need some way to control the grab
01:23 🔗 yipdw and to click on things, which is terribly difficult in itself, no thanks to things like Angular that for some reason reinvented <a>
01:26 🔗 anomie True.
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03:58 🔗 phuzion Question: How insanely ridiculous would it be to start archiving university student homepages?
03:59 🔗 JesseW Doesn't seem rediculous at all, to me.
03:59 🔗 JesseW Put together a list on the wiki.
04:00 🔗 phuzion Oh
04:00 🔗 phuzion That idea already exists
04:00 🔗 phuzion http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=University_Web_Hosting
04:00 🔗 JesseW Grin.
04:00 🔗 JesseW Good.
04:01 🔗 JesseW phuzion: well, start writing up warrior scripts. :-)
04:01 🔗 phuzion JesseW: I would if I knew wtf I was doing
04:02 🔗 JesseW phuzion: where are you starting from?
04:02 🔗 phuzion Beginner-ish programming experience. Some experience with regex and whatnot, but minimal experience with python.
04:03 🔗 JesseW phuzion: I'd suggest looking over the repositories, then, as a next step.
04:03 🔗 phuzion Like, I can go in and see "Oh, syntax error, let me find the missing close paren" but not "Oh, thats doing the wrong thing, let me rewrite the function."
04:04 🔗 JesseW I'm hardly an expert, but I'm glad to answer what questions I can. ( arkiver is the expect, I think).
04:05 🔗 phuzion Huh, it actually doesn't look horribly complicated to be entirely honest.
04:05 🔗 JesseW no, it's not too bad.
04:06 🔗 JesseW I haven't written one yet, but mostly due to not having a need so far.
04:06 🔗 phuzion Right.
04:06 🔗 JesseW but I would certainly be delighted to have something else to run when things are slow. :-)
04:06 🔗 phuzion discovery's gonna be a bitch on a project like this.
04:07 🔗 JesseW yep.
04:07 🔗 phuzion JesseW: urlteam always needs extra warriors :)
04:08 🔗 JesseW speaking of urlteam, I do want to look into how to add code for more shortners -- I know we don't catch all of them yet...
04:08 🔗 phuzion Yeah, there's a shortener I wanna add but don't know how/have access to do so
04:08 🔗 JesseW I /think/ chfoo is the person with admin access, but I'm not at all sure. And in any case, I'd need to write the code first.
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04:09 🔗 phuzion Yeah, chfoo's the urlteam contact
04:10 🔗 phuzion and arkiver
04:10 🔗 phuzion JesseW: http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Tracker#People
04:11 🔗 JesseW ah, useful
04:11 🔗 phuzion Yep.
04:11 🔗 phuzion Wiki's got a ton of stuff on it
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04:18 🔗 JesseW OK, I'm back. Now on wireless, testing walking around to see if it breaks...
04:20 🔗 phuzion JesseW: welcome back, hope your wireless is running well ;)
04:26 🔗 JesseW Seems to be all working. Yay!!
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04:28 🔗 phuzion JesseW: 'grats!
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05:24 🔗 godane over 2k DTIC items so far
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05:35 🔗 godane so looks like there are files called ADP that i missed
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10:19 🔗 godane DTIC ADP010378: Speech Recognition by Goats, Wolves, Sheep and Non-Natives : https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADP010378
10:36 🔗 Sum a whole collection of desktop screenshots circa 2000 era, http://www.linux.org.ru/gallery/archive/
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19:48 🔗 schbirid any reason not to use ext4 on a 8tb disk?
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20:02 🔗 aaaaaaaaa schbirid: if you do, you may want to adjust the number of reserve blocks
20:06 🔗 schbirid whoa, 93 G :)
20:06 🔗 schbirid thanks
20:12 🔗 aaaaaaaaa yeah, some (most?) distros default to 5% and it can be a huge chunk of modern disks.
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20:26 🔗 joepie91_ suddenly, reviews: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/code-review.html
20:28 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Open source only. It's like you are trying to let everyone benefit from your work.
20:29 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: imagine that! we can't have socially responsible software development...
20:29 🔗 ersi You communist!
20:34 🔗 aaaaaaaaa what is CoffeeScript? Wikipedia seems to imply it is just a language that is easy to turn into javascript, but for some reason it seems to me that there has to be more to it than that.
20:34 🔗 aaaaaaaaa But then again, I'm not a programmer.
20:35 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: that's more or less what it is. it fixes a number of quirks in JS (and introduces some of its own)
20:35 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: but more importantly, it's much, MUCH faster to write
20:35 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: but yes, it just becomes JS in the end
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20:39 🔗 aaaaaaaaa The much faster to write makes it make more sense. Was having trouble trying to figure out why you would write in the one language rather than the other.
20:39 🔗 aaaaaaaaa and yes, I realize the extension of that line of thought is: "Assembly everythere!"
20:41 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: well, there's a few other reasons, though admittedly less since ES6
20:41 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: eg. the ? operator which just doesn't exist in JS
20:41 🔗 joepie91_ but is greatly useful
20:41 🔗 joepie91_ (checks whether something is defined)
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ (also used for 'soaking up nulls' in longer property access chains, and setting defaults_)
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ function argument defaults
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ smaller lambda functions
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ etc
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ when used correctly, it can make code much easier to understand
20:42 🔗 joepie91_ when not used correctly... it can be a very big footgun, Perl-style :)
20:43 🔗 aaaaaaaaa Just like any powerful tool.
20:43 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: well, coffeescript a bit more than most
20:44 🔗 joepie91_ let's just say that the coffeescript devs very clearly are not language designers
20:44 🔗 joepie91_ lol
20:44 🔗 joepie91_ http://webapplog.com/coffeescript-quirks/
20:44 🔗 joepie91_ for a small excerpt
20:45 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: another issue with coffeescript is that the devs are... well, user-hostile is the only way to put it
20:45 🔗 joepie91_ or "hate users", rather
20:45 🔗 joepie91_ filing a ticket on the coffeescript repo -> 90% chance that it gets ignored, 5% chance that you get shouted at, 5% chance that some headway is made on fixing it
20:45 🔗 joepie91_ not very good odds
20:54 🔗 aaaaaaaaa yeah, I've seen projects like that before and the honestly make me wonder why they have a public bug tracker at all
21:02 🔗 joepie91_ yep
21:02 🔗 joepie91_ aaaaaaaaa: i have a critical indentation bug open
21:02 🔗 joepie91_ sitting there for a few months now
21:02 🔗 joepie91_ not even a reply
21:03 🔗 joepie91_ of the "it compiles your code into the wrong place in your code, outside of the callback" type
21:03 🔗 joepie91_ which is a PRETTY BIG FUCKING DEAL
21:03 🔗 aaaaaaaaa I'll take your word for it
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21:10 🔗 schbirid heh, the sleeping of the 8tb drive is fun
21:11 🔗 schbirid i imagine it giving me puppy eyes, staring right into my soul, while letting out a minute long whistling fart
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21:45 🔗 godane SketchCow: your going to be getting Star Wars Celebration Anaheim Live Stream
21:46 🔗 godane i will be sending it to your FOS server
21:46 🔗 godane its about 30gb
22:03 🔗 godane so turns out i'm missing more files from my DTIC archive
22:04 🔗 godane there ADB and ADC types now
22:05 🔗 godane i can say ADC types are rare
22:05 🔗 godane like out 1000 numbers there maybe 6 files that are ADC
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23:58 🔗 joepie91_ 1TB free owncloud: https://www.transip.nl/nieuws-en-acties/transip-introduceert-stack/ (needs invite, you can seemingly sign up to get one?)
23:59 🔗 anomie Umm… I have doubts about how much I could depend on that.

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