#archiveteam-bs 2015-12-20,Sun

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00:03 🔗 Sanqui huh, apparently there are still live MUD/MUSH/MUCK servers
00:03 🔗 yipdw oh yeah
00:03 🔗 Sanqui I wonder if these could be archived
00:03 🔗 yipdw Gemstone <3
00:03 🔗 Sanqui somehow
00:03 🔗 Sanqui I just telneted to one
00:05 🔗 JesseW Yay, band!
00:13 🔗 Sanqui I think the closest one could get to "archiving" a MUD is by doing something like the following
00:13 🔗 Sanqui detect the server it uses, so you know what commands are compatible and general behavior
00:14 🔗 Sanqui walk everywhere, look at everything, try out everything that can provide description of some kind
00:14 🔗 Sanqui maybe try actions next?
00:14 🔗 Sanqui idk I've never played one
00:14 🔗 Sanqui lol
00:16 🔗 godane starting to upload StreamRoot DT fileshttps://archive.org/details/e_history_StreamRoot_DT_0001_1956_01
00:17 🔗 godane only 161 files out of what should be 167
00:18 🔗 arkiver godane: waw, nice
00:21 🔗 HCross Any specific do's and dont's when archiving stuff from servers in North Korea?
00:22 🔗 godane its south korean stuff
00:22 🔗 HCross stuff like the KCNA
00:22 🔗 godane they have stuff still in dial up video mms streams
00:23 🔗 godane and realmedia if start going back to 1999 to 2000
00:23 🔗 HCross Obv I wont go to agressive on them, but was wondering if there is anything I need to take especially good note of?
00:24 🔗 godane i don't know about kcna stuff
00:24 🔗 godane i know mostly about kbs
01:05 🔗 JesseW just donated to the telethon
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04:35 🔗 godane so my personal archiving of byte magazine may have helped in finding a "lost" issue
04:35 🔗 godane turns out some one uploaded a zip of byte magazine for 1994-05
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04:42 🔗 JesseW godane: link?
04:47 🔗 godane https://archive.org/details/199405BYTE1905ComponentWare
05:01 🔗 JesseW I just added an entry for the telethon to MusicBrainz: https://musicbrainz.org/recording/890b435b-afc0-4389-898e-32733a7103c7
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08:59 🔗 yipdw I love this comment https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/12/the-internet-archive-telethon-is-live-now/#comment-165199
08:59 🔗 yipdw "don't give them money to fix the problem I am talking about"
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14:32 🔗 zenguy how can i wget this site http://electriciantraining.tpub.com/ ? wget -m -k -nv -c -e robots=off doesn't seem to grab everything
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15:21 🔗 CatButts the cat butt will rise
15:22 🔗 * CatButts unpacks contents of memory
15:22 🔗 CatButts hie fie
15:22 🔗 CatButts *hi
15:23 🔗 fie yo
15:23 🔗 CatButts I remembering pestering you about some aussie TV show
15:23 🔗 CatButts weeks ago
15:24 🔗 CatButts some private tracker forum post
15:24 🔗 fie still nothing
15:24 🔗 CatButts ah
15:24 🔗 CatButts as for Nevashut game, tough luck
15:24 🔗 CatButts I have low hopes for that
15:25 🔗 fie I put a small bounty on it, if I had a better ratio i would put more to get it more attention
15:25 🔗 CatButts also, I have shitloads of CDs
15:25 🔗 CatButts and they sit in my cabinet and rot
15:25 🔗 CatButts hahahahaha
15:25 🔗 CatButts for years they have
15:25 🔗 fie of what?
15:26 🔗 CatButts CDs that come with software and gaming magazines
15:26 🔗 Smiley http://dberkholz.com/2006/09/06/gentoo-lots-of-new-gui-config-tools/
15:26 🔗 Smiley failz
15:27 🔗 CatButts https://s2.wp.com/wp-content/blog-plugins/domains/expiring-domain-alert/images/automattobot-panic-level-high.gif
15:27 🔗 CatButts beep beep boop boop
15:27 🔗 fie Uh oh! Your blog’s domain dberkholz.com expired 6 days ago!
15:27 🔗 CatButts any idea what to do with those CDs?
15:28 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: where are you physically?
15:28 🔗 joepie91 country-wise
15:28 🔗 CatButts Romania
15:28 🔗 CatButts I have no intention to ship stuff
15:28 🔗 CatButts at best, I will rip ISOs and scan covers/CD
15:28 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: on Linux?
15:29 🔗 CatButts I am on windux
15:29 🔗 CatButts weendoze
15:29 🔗 CatButts >iso
15:29 🔗 joepie91 right, so ISO alone won't be enough because there may be multi-track CDs, but I don't know of any batch imaging tools for Windows that will produce archival-quality copies
15:29 🔗 CatButts I will rip one by one manually
15:30 🔗 CatButts but for this, I will need to find person who is interested in said CDs
15:30 🔗 CatButts and deals with archival of such a thing
15:30 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: try SketchCo1 :P but he's at the telethon right now
15:31 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: anyhow, if you want to image them yourself, you want a bin/cue, as generated by cdrdao (not sure what tools exist for this on Windows)
15:31 🔗 joepie91 cover and label scans at at least 300DPI, preferably 600DPI
15:31 🔗 CatButts yeah, I've been told ISO is not exactly ideal format
15:31 🔗 joepie91 DVDs can be safely imaged as ISOs in all cases, as they don't have multi-track features
15:31 🔗 joepie91 (CDs do)
15:31 🔗 joepie91 yeah
15:31 🔗 joepie91 ISO will only work for single-track disks
15:32 🔗 joepie91 it's not always easy to identify whether a disk is single-track or not
15:32 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: fwiw, I wrote this for Linux: https://github.com/joepie91/image-disc/blob/master/image.py - perhaps it may be useful as a reference
15:32 🔗 joepie91 auto-detects disc type and images to appropriate format
15:34 🔗 * CatButts vaguely remembers aussie he used to talk to on IRC with
15:34 🔗 CatButts he might be the answer to my aussie show connundrum
15:36 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: fwiw, this is where your magazine disk uploads will likely end up: https://archive.org/details/coverdiscs
15:36 🔗 CatButts also, there's also issue of malware with some shareware disks
15:37 🔗 CatButts lol DOS malware
15:37 🔗 joepie91 wouldn't worry about it too much tbh
15:37 🔗 joepie91 may set off the virus scanner
15:37 🔗 joepie91 if it does, email IA and let them know
15:38 🔗 CatButts eh, I'm sure the uploads are inspected
15:40 🔗 * CatButts rolls on his lazy arse
15:42 🔗 Smiley hmmm
15:42 🔗 Smiley just realised the telephon is one
15:42 🔗 Smiley telethon, is on. even
15:42 🔗 Smiley or rather, was.
15:45 🔗 Smiley hmmm
15:46 🔗 ersi SketchCo1 be dancin
15:46 🔗 Smiley yah
15:46 🔗 Smiley told mah homies to donate
15:46 🔗 Smiley for what it's worth :/
15:47 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: there's an automated virus scanner
15:47 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: that might dark items
15:47 🔗 joepie91 because there've been problems with people using IA for malware distribution before
15:47 🔗 joepie91 so anything that gets darked that way will likely not get further attention from IA unless you notify them
15:49 🔗 CatButts got it
15:50 🔗 CatButts do I get notified if something I upload gets dorked?
15:51 🔗 Smiley dorked?
15:51 🔗 CatButts darked
15:51 🔗 CatButts I maed a pun
15:51 🔗 CatButts I go to punitenciary
15:52 🔗 Smiley dorke:O
15:53 🔗 CatButts *video of fanatical religious woman yelling DARK SIDE, but having it sound like DORK instead*
15:53 🔗 Smiley hehe
15:54 🔗 CatButts it's the one where people come to house to give her a monetary prize for something and she goes nut and rips their check and argues
15:54 🔗 CatButts in front of her familly
15:54 🔗 CatButts or a daughter at least
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15:58 🔗 Smiley no idea what this is but ok :D
15:58 🔗 CatButts then I will seek it
15:59 🔗 CatButts https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8
15:59 🔗 CatButts probably this
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16:00 🔗 CatButts yep
16:03 🔗 CatButts I should get off my arse and backup my favourite porns
16:04 🔗 joepie91 well
16:04 🔗 joepie91 not sure wtf just happened
16:04 🔗 joepie91 but something hooked behind something else and then half the contents of my desk flew off
16:04 🔗 joepie91 somehow
16:04 🔗 joepie91 ... my external HDD appears to have survived
16:06 🔗 CatButts doesn't sound like a good place to store data
16:09 🔗 CatButts I've heard stories of low reliability regarding external HDDs
16:13 🔗 CatButts I have internal SATA HDDs I use externally
16:13 🔗 CatButts though, I have to power off PC to use
16:14 🔗 CatButts which I don't mind, because I do it once a month
16:14 🔗 CatButts for partition backup
16:19 🔗 Smiley joepie91: :/
16:19 🔗 Smiley glad the disk survived
16:20 🔗 Smiley i had a poer blip kill 1 disk in a raid
16:20 🔗 Smiley fine, fine, got backups, annoying
16:20 🔗 Smiley start restoring from backups
16:20 🔗 Smiley second disk had also fried but not quite enough to kill it directly
16:20 🔗 Smiley only discover after 2 days of restoring XD
16:38 🔗 joepie91 CatButts: yeah, internal HDD + external enclosure
16:38 🔗 joepie91 I don't trust ready-made external HDDs anymore
16:39 🔗 joepie91 I have made a habit of looping my external HDD power cable behind something
16:39 🔗 joepie91 which means it powers off before it hits the ground
16:39 🔗 joepie91 I suspect that that+ carpet on the floor saved irt
16:39 🔗 joepie91 it*
16:41 🔗 Smiley hmmm nice
16:41 🔗 Smiley I once dropped a CRT monitor from about 5ft, watched it bounce, still powered on
16:41 🔗 Smiley why aren't electronics like that anymore :D
16:41 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: well, HDDs never were
16:41 🔗 joepie91 :P
16:42 🔗 Smiley yah true
16:42 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: and um, my Samsung TFT has been operating with a deep scratch in the screen for... 4 years now?
16:42 🔗 joepie91 as in
16:42 🔗 joepie91 probably several millimeter deep scratch
16:43 🔗 joepie91 Smiley: corner of one of these landed on it: 1288171765_c8fa075e07_logo
16:43 🔗 joepie91 er
16:43 🔗 joepie91 http://www.bouwbinder.nl/typo3temp/GB/690-1-1288171765_c8fa075e07_logo-bouwbinder_773648e9d1_d8a00830a8.jpg
16:44 🔗 joepie91 aside from a brightly lit scratch in the middle of my screen, ~3cm high, there's been absolutely zero quality degradation through the years
16:44 🔗 joepie91 so, robust hardware does still exist :p
17:03 🔗 CatButts robutts
17:22 🔗 Smiley heh
17:22 🔗 Smiley m samsung has a nice scratcch too
17:22 🔗 Smiley not quite that dewep
17:23 🔗 Smiley daughter hitting keyboard
17:25 🔗 Smiley http://thumbs.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mhq6FtMJoG67WzdlPXJ8OMw.jpg
17:25 🔗 Smiley fell on him
17:25 🔗 Smiley sry for bad pic :/
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18:33 🔗 godane another lost byte magazine found not in collection: https://archive.org/details/198610ByteMagazineVol1111InsideTheIBMPC
18:36 🔗 godane this guy saved lots of mid to late 1990s byte magazine: https://archive.org/details/@epobirs
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18:47 🔗 Amitari Hey, can anyone here help me with wget?
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18:49 🔗 JesseW I'm not familiar enough with wget, sadly.
18:51 🔗 Smiley Amitari: depends what u need
18:52 🔗 Amitari I'm mirroring a PhpBB forum, and I read on the wiki that I should save some cookies first. When I try however, I get the message "Remote file exists and could contain further links,but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving."
18:52 🔗 Smiley but recursion is disabled
18:52 🔗 Smiley thewres your clue
18:52 🔗 Amitari I didn't find any info about this on the web though...
18:52 🔗 Smiley https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=wget+enable+recursion&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=_fh2VvmQMsaKPsfvuMgB
18:53 🔗 Smiley no?
18:53 🔗 Amitari Oh...
18:53 🔗 Amitari Sorry for bothering you then...
18:54 🔗 Smiley tis ok to ask :D
18:54 🔗 Smiley u get what u need?@
18:54 🔗 Smiley -r
18:54 🔗 Smiley wget .... -r
18:55 🔗 Amitari Wait, no...
18:55 🔗 Amitari Do you know how to download PhpBB-forums?
18:55 🔗 Amitari The example command on the wiki doesn't seem to work for some reason.
18:56 🔗 Smiley what does the command on the wiki do? (and link please to the wiki page)
18:56 🔗 Smiley I haven't archived anything personally for long time
18:56 🔗 Smiley busy with so many things :/
18:56 🔗 Amitari http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=PhpBB
18:56 🔗 Amitari Let me get the results for you on Pastebin...
18:56 🔗 Smiley ty :)
18:56 🔗 Smiley now we are getting somewhere :)
18:57 🔗 Smiley Also I'm about to shower my daughter, so I'll be on and off
18:57 🔗 Smiley but stick around and someone will attempt to assist you anyway once we have the info we need :)
18:58 🔗 Amitari Smiley: Here. http://pastebin.com/GLEbVVJP
19:00 🔗 Smiley ah ok
19:01 🔗 Amitari So, know what to do?
19:01 🔗 Smiley I think so
19:01 🔗 Smiley I don't think you're using bash?
19:01 🔗 Amitari I don't know to be honest.
19:02 🔗 arkiver We'll see how things go
19:02 🔗 Smiley instead of $(date +...)
19:02 🔗 arkiver oops, sorry
19:02 🔗 Smiley just use 20151220
19:02 🔗 arkiver wrong window
19:02 🔗 Smiley so http://sloyer.5forum.info20151220
19:02 🔗 Smiley for the warcfile and log
19:02 🔗 Amitari Let me try...
19:02 🔗 Smiley wait nope
19:03 🔗 Smiley it is working, as it's crying about the log file o_O
19:03 🔗 Smiley run this:
19:03 🔗 Smiley touch http://sloyer.5forum.info20151220.log
19:03 🔗 schbirid have you tried the phpbb page in the wiki?
19:03 🔗 Smiley schbirid: this is from it...
19:03 🔗 schbirid ayyyyy
19:03 🔗 Smiley :D
19:04 🔗 Amitari Wait...
19:04 🔗 Smiley wget: http://sloyer.5forum.info20151220.log: No such file or directory
19:04 🔗 Smiley wget isnt' creating the log file
19:04 🔗 Amitari I tried the first thing, same result.
19:04 🔗 schbirid give me a second
19:05 🔗 Smiley that's... odd
19:05 🔗 Smiley man page deffo says it'll create a log file if one doesn't exist
19:05 🔗 schbirid ah
19:05 🔗 Smiley Amitari: can you pastebin the output of ls -lah ./
19:06 🔗 schbirid stop
19:06 🔗 schbirid start from the beginning
19:06 🔗 schbirid "Remote file exists and could contain further links,but recursion is disabled -- not retrieving."
19:06 🔗 schbirid means nothing here
19:06 🔗 schbirid the first wget is ONLY to get a cookie
19:07 🔗 Smiley yesh I told him to turn on -r for that
19:07 🔗 Smiley oph wait
19:07 🔗 Smiley hmm :/
19:07 🔗 * Smiley bows out
19:07 🔗 Smiley Daughter ready for shower
19:07 🔗 Amitari Uh, I'm not sure if I want to pastebin the outpus of ls on my /home directory...
19:07 🔗 schbirid this forum does not even need a cookie
19:07 🔗 Smiley oh then we don't need that command :D
19:07 🔗 schbirid >:D
19:08 🔗 Amitari So, anything I could do?
19:09 🔗 schbirid Amitari: i'd always suggest to use a specific directory to play around in, not your home :) i use a ramdisk
19:10 🔗 schbirid try simply the second wget line from http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=PhpBB and remove the " --keep-session-cookies" bit if you want
19:10 🔗 schbirid err
19:10 🔗 Amitari Oh, alright.
19:10 🔗 schbirid the " --keep-session-cookies --load-cookies=COOKIEFILE" part
19:10 🔗 Amitari I'll try.
19:10 🔗 schbirid if you dont care about being nice, remove the "-w 1" part
19:11 🔗 Amitari I get the problems with the log file again..
19:12 🔗 schbirid what name did you specify for the log file? you must not use the http:// in it
19:13 🔗 schbirid wget -m -a sloyer.5forum.info_$(date +%Y%m%d).log -e robots=off -nv --adjust-extension --convert-links --page-requisites --reject-regex='(\?p=|&p=|mode=reply|view=|search.php|/abuse\?)' --warc-file=sloyer.5forum.info_$(date +%Y%m%d) --warc-cdx http://sloyer.5forum.info/
19:13 🔗 Amitari Ah, now it works!
19:13 🔗 schbirid :)
19:13 🔗 Amitari It still gives that error about timestamps, but it still works.
19:13 🔗 Amitari Thank you!
19:14 🔗 Amitari It looks like it doesn't archive the images though...
19:14 🔗 schbirid "WARC output does not work with timestamping, timestamping will be disabled."? no problem, that's just a warning, you can totally ignore it
19:14 🔗 Amitari Yeah, I know.
19:14 🔗 schbirid it just means that it will download everything
19:14 🔗 schbirid external images are not included, no :\
19:15 🔗 Amitari Can I make it include them?
19:15 🔗 schbirid iirc i never succeeded but did the grab first, then grepped the files for external urls and grabbed them later :\
19:16 🔗 schbirid wpull probably does it well: https://wpull.readthedocs.org/en/master/usage.html
19:16 🔗 schbirid omg
19:16 🔗 schbirid --span-hosts-allow linked-pages,page-requisites
19:16 🔗 schbirid chfoo i love you
19:17 🔗 Amitari So, if I add that to the command, it will download the external images?
19:18 🔗 schbirid if you use wpull(!) i guess this would do --span-hosts-allow page-requisites
19:19 🔗 schbirid hrm, wpull is broken for me :(
19:20 🔗 Amitari Nevermind, the text is plenty.
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19:27 🔗 schbirid i hope she was satisfied :\
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20:32 🔗 DFJustin https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-international-edition#/
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21:27 🔗 schbirid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nJpaCXL0k
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22:44 🔗 midas sets mode: +o closure
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23:05 🔗 err3 hey
23:05 🔗 err3 what happened with the telethon?
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23:34 🔗 joepie91 it finished

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