#archiveteam-bs 2016-02-03,Wed

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02:55 🔗 SketchCow As I told you last month I bought a lot of 1800 various compact discs; I received them (two boxes of over 50 pounds each in weight) and after sorting that I ended with three stacks of about 1 feet each in height only for the CD-ROM softwares (without their jewel cases) who are in good condition and readable... I'm going to rip, scan and upload that on the usual FTP server in the next months...
03:00 🔗 kyan Wait let me get this straight, correct me if I'm wrong. "...trading copyrighted material to which you do not own the copyright is illegal." Umm, no, I don't think so. What's illegal is keeping a copy of something after trading away the original, or vice versa. In other words, it's perfectly legal to trade one item for another. If I've got the CD of Abbey Road, and you've got the LP — both copyrighted material, I don't think there's anything illegal a
03:00 🔗 kyan bout me giving you the CD and you giving me the LP since I like the sound of vinyl better and you like the sound of digital better. What would be illegal is if I kept a rip of the CD on my computer *and* gave you the CD.
03:00 🔗 kyan random rant response to http://nymusigal.blogspot.ca/2009/05/this-issue-of-piracy.html
03:12 🔗 joepie91 ITT: people do not understand copyright or why it exists
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04:13 🔗 xmc kyan: relax & keep on doing whatever it was you were doing
04:59 🔗 yipdw TIL Iowa exists
05:00 🔗 kyan One of my dreams is to create a structured database à la MusicBrainz that collects and organizes information from the Internet using a recursive method inspired by IA's derive system
05:00 🔗 kyan archiving everything along the way
05:01 🔗 kyan Unfortunately I haven't gotten around to it yet.
05:01 🔗 yipdw what are some examples of what that would do
05:02 🔗 kyan Mm, one type of thing it could do: I'm looking for a copy of the book "On Surprises, Generosity, The Blue Horse of the Himalayan Hill"
05:02 🔗 kyan It's a fairly rare, unpopular book.
05:03 🔗 kyan Assuming the database had all the possible records in it that are publicly available online, I could type in the title, and it would point out related data entities
05:03 🔗 kyan such as: library holding records, Ebay listings, Amazon listings, the data record for the author
05:04 🔗 kyan the data record for the series it's in, the year it was published, what kind of paper it's printed on, and other metadata,
05:04 🔗 kyan the original MSRP, etc etc.
05:05 🔗 kyan Which isn't that different from OpenLibrary — but my idea is that it would be less specific in focus, so clicking on the author would also reveal genealogical information about them, and so you could search with relationship queries e.g. "return a list of all musicians who are in the family tree of the author of this book"
05:06 🔗 kyan and assuming it had ingested MusicBrainz, WorldCat, and Ancestry.com, it could probably do a pretty good job at figuring out what I want.
05:06 🔗 kyan yipdw: essay above ^
05:07 🔗 kyan (I did my senior exhibition at high school on the development of such a database. It had a number of architectural problems though that made it a real pain in the ass to maintain, so I am going to start over, at some point, even though it's been 3 years or so since I last got anything substantial done on it)
05:09 🔗 kyan (It also doesn't help that I've been spending most of my time laying in bed being depressed and watching anime and YouTube videos.)
05:11 🔗 yipdw this sounds like the Semantic Web
05:12 🔗 kyan Yes, that is one of the ideas that inspired it. My proposal is centralized, and would me maintained as part of an NGO-run ecovillage
05:12 🔗 kyan It's also sort of similar to Ted Nelson's "Project Xanadu"
05:15 🔗 kyan Unfortunately I'm a socially isolated weird guy, and not particularly good at practical thinking, planning, business skills, or focusing on work and not getting distracted.
05:16 🔗 kyan Which means my project despite being *incredibly amazing* is somewhat dead in the water at the moment. (Mom, the project is floating!)
05:16 🔗 kyan I think I'm pretty good at envisioning my ideas, mediocre at expressing them, and pisspoor at execution and social interaction
05:18 🔗 xmc kyan: that's a hell of a project
05:18 🔗 kyan yep.
05:19 🔗 kyan I like it though. It's kinda my life's work (at least when I'm not watching anime)
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06:12 🔗 vitzli JesseW, I'm going for the test run on IA metadata, first target - shards from IA.BAK
06:12 🔗 JesseW vitzli: awesome!
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06:13 🔗 JesseW (note to self): next step on new IA census -- convert the remaining 3 tries of file size files into file hash files.
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06:15 🔗 vitzli ia-mine worked relatively well, can't get around --search option - 'collection:JoePug' and 'subject:whateversubjectis' didn't work
06:19 🔗 JesseW ?
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06:22 🔗 vitzli ia-mine --search 'collection:JoePug' returned nothing, although there are items there. doing ia search 'collection:JoePug' | jq '.identifier' | sed -e 'whatever to remove quotes' > itemlist and then doing ia-mine itemlist.txt worked well
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06:23 🔗 vitzli not sed, tr -d '"'
06:30 🔗 JesseW ah, I think the --search option is variously borked, I'm not sure why
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07:25 🔗 kyan I just ran out of items in my facebook news feed. I didn't know that was really possible
07:25 🔗 kyan It says to add more friends. I've already got like 50?
07:30 🔗 JesseW :-P
08:10 🔗 * JesseW has now extracted hashes from the 3 other tries of getting data for the census, and is now merging them into one file.
08:10 🔗 JesseW which I think is suitable to be uploaded.
08:11 🔗 JesseW along with the file size json file compatible with the previous census
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16:51 🔗 SmileyG has anyone concidered the idea of a 'archiveteam' cloud. One we could all offer some space to, via a vpn'd network or something?
16:51 🔗 SmileyG I have a few Tb spare these days
16:51 🔗 HCross sort of like a bittorent based storage setup?
16:52 🔗 yipdw I would hate trying to pull stuff out of that
16:53 🔗 SmileyG yeah
16:53 🔗 SmileyG yipdw: hmmm we could have replication for speed? i guess?
16:53 🔗 HCross some requirements for speed would be needed
16:53 🔗 SmileyG HCross: yeah that's my thinking
16:53 🔗 yipdw it's not speed, it's dealing with nodes going offline
16:53 🔗 SmileyG I have 5Mb/s upload
16:53 🔗 SmileyG nod, replicate,
16:54 🔗 SmileyG and maybe the ability to 'force' local copies
16:54 🔗 SmileyG so say I have some data I concider important
16:54 🔗 yipdw this is #internetarchive.bak
16:54 🔗 SmileyG I can throw it up in that, other people get a copy, but I keep mine
16:54 🔗 SmileyG hmmmm, we aren't internetarchive, so what is that channel?
16:54 🔗 yipdw this is #internetarchive.bak, repurposed
16:55 🔗 SmileyG :D
16:55 🔗 HCross SmileyG, a backup of the internet archive
16:55 🔗 SmileyG :O
16:55 🔗 SmileyG ok i wasn't thinking _that_ bad
16:55 🔗 SmileyG I just saw HCross and someone else asking about 30Tb storage
16:55 🔗 SmileyG and between a few of us I figure it's plausible
16:56 🔗 SmileyG with 3:1 replication or maybe higher, we could 'amost' trust it :/
16:56 🔗 SmileyG if people wanna throw money at renting online storage, S3, etc, let em
16:56 🔗 SmileyG I'm interested mainly for myself, but it'd be interesting project.
16:56 🔗 yipdw I think the 80% solution is to pool money into some account and use that to rent some VPS with assload TB of storage
16:56 🔗 SmileyG If I wasn't jobless right now I'd offer to do that
16:57 🔗 yipdw anyway, the real reason I asked about it is that I can't get docstoc off because it looks like my IA account is in some sort of limbo
16:57 🔗 SmileyG but no moneys.
16:57 🔗 SmileyG create another account?
16:57 🔗 yipdw I don't know if that'd help
16:57 🔗 yipdw Jason and I have been over the permissions and they all check out
16:57 🔗 yipdw what's the IA IRC channel again?
16:57 🔗 yipdw it's #internetarchive but I forget which network
16:57 🔗 HCross here
16:57 🔗 yipdw oh
16:58 🔗 yipdw oh that's the unofficial channel, ha
16:58 🔗 yipdw hmmmm
16:59 🔗 SmileyG hmmm theres appently one on freenode
16:59 🔗 * SmileyG goes to check
16:59 🔗 SmileyG hmm they dead
17:00 🔗 HCross SmileyG, im the only one in #internetarchive over there
17:01 🔗 yipdw I guess I could post on the IA forums
17:01 🔗 yipdw heh
17:01 🔗 yipdw actually, why not, it's the only thing I haven't tried
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17:34 🔗 ivan` SmileyG: I've squirreled away 192TB into Google Drive so far. perhaps a good option.
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17:35 🔗 SmileyG o_O
17:36 🔗 SmileyG how much that costing?
17:36 🔗 ivan` $50/mo
17:36 🔗 SmileyG not bad
17:36 🔗 schbirid :O
17:36 🔗 SmileyG but again, util I have a job
17:36 🔗 SmileyG or someone steps up saying they'll pay it, and we can trust em :/
17:36 🔗 SmileyG (not saying I don't trust people, but things happen and people disappear)
17:42 🔗 ivan` I wrote a whole filesystem for squirreling away that much data but it kind of sucks for being written in node.js and not transparently packing small files so I mostly gave up on the existing codebase
17:42 🔗 ivan` (Google Drive has limits on files uploaded per hour, but not on size)
17:48 🔗 SmileyG per hour?
17:48 🔗 SmileyG i use rdrive and it only sleeps for 2 secobds brfore trying again
17:50 🔗 ivan` the limits were significantly lowered, perhaps for me specifically, back in november, and I can now upload only ~1 file every 3 seconds
17:51 🔗 ivan` many of my requests hang for a long time and then get an Internal Error reply which is probably just some sloppy throttling code
17:53 🔗 ivan` and this applies to every single request I make including directory listings from the web interface
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17:54 🔗 kyan That's annoying.
17:56 🔗 ivan` can't complain too much given how unprofitable my account is
17:57 🔗 ivan` not that there's anyone to complain too given google's completely useless support
17:57 🔗 ivan` s/too/to/
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20:05 🔗 wyatt8760 smileyG: glad I'm not the only one jobless :(
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20:06 🔗 wyatt8760 for me it's because I don't have a degree, so no one will even notice that "oh, this guy can program in C and Java and Python and multiple assembly languages, and he can design some electronic circuits"
20:09 🔗 SmileyG wyatt8760: :/
20:09 🔗 SmileyG I'm not a programmer
20:09 🔗 SmileyG if i was, sigh, lots of jobs around
20:09 🔗 wyatt8760 SmileyG: I'm not really either
20:09 🔗 wyatt8760 I prefer electronics :)
20:09 🔗 SmileyG but yeah I can imagine without the proof, it's hard to pick one up
20:10 🔗 wyatt8760 but every god damn job out there (in Fort Wayne at least) lists a bachelors' degree requirement
20:10 🔗 wyatt8760 or else some expensive-ass certificate from microsoft or the linux foundation
20:10 🔗 wyatt8760 or my favorite, "prior work experience"
20:10 🔗 wyatt8760 hobbies not counting
20:11 🔗 wyatt8760 what do you do, though?
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21:28 🔗 joepie91 wyatt8760: mind, job ads lie
21:28 🔗 joepie91 ignore bachelors requirements and such
21:29 🔗 wyatt8760 alright, I've kinda been doing that
21:29 🔗 wyatt8760 sometimes
21:29 🔗 joepie91 wyatt8760: just do it all the time :)
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21:30 🔗 joepie91 wyatt8760: apply for what -you- think you would be sufficiently competent at, regardless of what it says in the requirements list, and just make sure to outline your personal projects and what they show / have made you good at / etc
21:30 🔗 joepie91 wyatt8760: worst case, they will reject your application
21:30 🔗 wyatt8760 yeah :\
21:31 🔗 wyatt8760 too bad that IBM mainframes job requires experience and isn't hiring an intern to learn
21:31 🔗 wyatt8760 that sounds interesting to me
21:31 🔗 wyatt8760 :\
21:31 🔗 wyatt8760 still, found some other things
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22:08 🔗 SmileyG wyatt8760: where you located btw?
22:09 🔗 nickname_ Does anyone know what timezone most people are active in irc?
22:09 🔗 wyatt8760 smileyG: Fort Wayne, Indiana
22:09 🔗 SmileyG IRC in total, or this channel?
22:10 🔗 SmileyG wyatt8760: k, if anyone tells me about any jobs around there I'll ping ya
22:10 🔗 wyatt8760 G.E.'s moving out and magnavox is long gone from fort wayne sadly
22:10 🔗 SmileyG it's doubtful, but sometimes people come up with the oddest things.
22:10 🔗 wyatt8760 (the two things we had) :p
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22:10 🔗 wyatt8760 also we had Philo Farnsworth but he's been dead for around 50 years
22:11 🔗 nickname_ This channel
22:11 🔗 nickname_ and the other archiveteam channels
22:11 🔗 wyatt8760 yeah?
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22:11 🔗 wyatt8760 I think _probably_ either EST or west coast
22:11 🔗 wyatt8760 no wait.
22:12 🔗 wyatt8760 maybe central, since there'll be some from both coasts on then? (not that america is the only country in the world)(
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22:12 🔗 nickname_ I have a youtube channel dump, how should I upload it?
22:12 🔗 nickname_ and in what format?
22:12 🔗 wyatt8760 best quality of the original video downloads
22:12 🔗 wyatt8760 whatever format that may be
22:12 🔗 wyatt8760 probably h264 or for very old ones flv
22:13 🔗 nickname_ No, the dump is already downloaded with youtube-dl
22:13 🔗 wyatt8760 my favorite tool^
22:13 🔗 wyatt8760 then use whatever it downloaded as the format
22:13 🔗 nickname_ Should I compress it?
22:13 🔗 nickname_ (I'm uploading to archive.org)
22:14 🔗 wyatt8760 I'd say no. But it's been a while since I uploaded there
22:14 🔗 wyatt8760 definitely no lossy re-encodes
22:14 🔗 wyatt8760 It's better if you don't because it can stream that way
22:14 🔗 nickname_ It's with xml annotations, json info, and mkv video
22:15 🔗 wyatt8760 if the filenames match for the xml, json, and mkv's, that's good
22:15 🔗 wyatt8760 wait, can't MKV contain essentially arbitrary data?
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22:15 🔗 wyatt8760 and does anyone here remember if archive.org auto-decompresses archives?
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22:17 🔗 nickname_ The channel also contained copyrighted content... will that be taken down?
22:17 🔗 wyatt8760 maybe.
22:17 🔗 wyatt8760 but I've been told to do it anyway
22:18 🔗 wyatt8760 if it is the archive holds onto it, but removes it from the site
22:18 🔗 wyatt8760 (presumably so when it eventually lapses into public domain it can be re-listed)
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22:18 🔗 wyatt8760 (unless it's Mickey Mouse related and will presumably still be copyrighted when I die)
22:18 🔗 nickname_ The channel hosts previews of TV shows, generally cartoons
22:18 🔗 nickname_ But these are not Disney cartoons
22:18 🔗 wyatt8760 that was a joke :)
22:19 🔗 wyatt8760 yeah, do it
22:19 🔗 nickname_ I know
22:19 🔗 wyatt8760 server error 500 on archive.org
22:19 🔗 wyatt8760 nice
22:19 🔗 wyatt8760 I was just going to look at my last upload
22:20 🔗 nickname_ Should I keep the original video title?
22:20 🔗 wyatt8760 I'd say yes. At least make sure it's in metadata somewhere
22:22 🔗 nickname_ It's uploading
22:22 🔗 SmileyG >=app-eselect/eselect-python-20151117-r1 required by (dev-lang/python-3.3.5-r7:3.3/3.3m::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
22:23 🔗 SmileyG >=app-eselect/eselect-python-20151117-r1 required by (dev-lang/python-2.7.11-r2:2.7/2.7::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge)
22:23 🔗 SmileyG whoops, wrong chnnale
22:23 🔗 nickname_ Now I wait in queue
22:23 🔗 nickname_ of twelve thousand and something
22:28 🔗 nickname_ good ol' youtube-dl
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22:30 🔗 SmileyG o_O why is tehre a queue o_O
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22:31 🔗 nickname_ I have to wait in a virtual "line" while my archive.org webpage is being created
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22:32 🔗 nickname_ Someone stole my username
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22:32 🔗 nickname_ I remember when nickname was not taken
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22:35 🔗 joepie91 definitely never compress prior to upload
22:35 🔗 joepie91 let IA handle that
22:36 🔗 kyan if i've got 100gb of plaintext log files i'm definitely running them through xz before i upload lol
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22:37 🔗 nickname_ Oh, no it's an archive of a youtube channel -- with metadata, and the video and a thumbnail, etc
22:37 🔗 kyan that wouldn't compress well at all. it would make more sense to just upload as is
22:38 🔗 kyan it'll be more useful that way too
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22:38 🔗 nickname_ I know
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22:40 🔗 nickname_ oui, archive.org is slow
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22:45 🔗 nickname_ How do you make a collection?
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22:50 🔗 HCross2 nickname_: an administrator needs to do it
22:50 🔗 nickname_ oh okay
22:50 🔗 nickname_ Thanks
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