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00:50 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow http://fos.textfiles.com/ARCHIVETEAM/ has proper timestamps now
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02:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane SketchCow: the first 3 links on that page has tar balls that are 0 bytes
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02:28 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Yes
02:28 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow That's a thing I will fix soon.
02:28 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow The system has always made zero-length tarballs.
02:29 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Now that I've centralized the upload script, I will put a check in.
02:31 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Line added. Thanks for the tip.
02:39 ๐Ÿ”— godane i'm up to 2015-10-31 with kfpa
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— godane so that weight of kpfa is mostly off my shoulder's now
02:40 ๐Ÿ”— godane and we don't have make a bot to grab either
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03:22 ๐Ÿ”— godane SketchCow: looks like Hard Knock Radio is encoded at 256kps from at least 2015-10 on
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03:43 ๐Ÿ”— dashcloud Here's an interesting DOS game I enjoyed playing before: https://archive.org/details/SeaRogue (Underwater archeology & treasure hunting)
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06:03 ๐Ÿ”— godane SketchCow: so i'm uploading more dvds to you FOS server
06:04 ๐Ÿ”— Ctrl-S___ anyone here who worked on this? (doing incremental grab, starting where you guys left off. Had to write things that were missing like the discovery stuff) https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/furaffinity-grab
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06:58 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Great
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07:01 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli I saw that article about web scraping, I think I can do a better flowchart: http://i.imgur.com/jB7qlvr.png
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07:39 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw_ vitzli: nice
07:39 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw_ missing some es in the IRC channel names, though :P
07:40 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli it's not a final version, I can change anything
07:41 ๐Ÿ”— yipdw_ neat
07:42 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli too much copy-paste :(
07:49 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW vitzli: I thought your flowchart was going to be scarcastic -- but it's actually useful.
07:51 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli It's little bit sarcastic and I could add more
07:52 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW vitzli: "Check the Deathwatch page" -> "Check (and, if missing, add it to) the Deathwatch page"
07:52 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW both? Both is good.
07:53 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW BTW, I'm starting a new IA census, this time with an up-to-date list of about 19 million identifiers.
07:53 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW Currently done about a million of them.
07:54 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli Are you going to keep sha1s?
07:54 ๐Ÿ”— davidar Does the site refuse to provide a useful API? -> Yes -> Scrape it.
07:54 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW yes, I'm keeping sha1s this time.
07:54 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW eh, scrape it whether it provides an API or not.
07:55 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW WARCs are *always* good to have, if at all possible.
07:55 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli I can keep raw results
07:55 ๐Ÿ”— davidar JesseW: well, by "scrape" I think they're talking about extracting structured data from unstructured documents
07:55 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW ah, fair point
07:55 ๐Ÿ”— davidar obviously archiving raw data is useful no matter what
07:56 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW But I'd say, grab WARCs *then* think about how to extract structure from them. :-)
07:56 ๐Ÿ”— davidar agreed
07:56 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW I'd say the only time *not* to make WARCs is if the site is too large/dynamic, and even in that case, grab WARCs of a representative sample.
07:57 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli I hope to upload the hash archive into the IA this week
07:57 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I decided to go ahead and go the whole way, and there's now one directory for FOS pipelines, and therefore one script that runs that says "push out all the new FOS packs".
07:57 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW Also, if the site is too aggressive with, say CAPCHAs or other "we insist that you have a human sitting in front of a browser before our server will talk to you" -- in that case, something like webrecorder.io
07:57 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow And that will add to the log, etc.
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW great!
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW vitzli: which hash archive?
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli the one I did
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW ah, cool
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli (md5,sha1,sha256)
07:58 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli plus all other stuff it calculated
08:00 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW do add links to it from http://archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Internet_Archive_Census once you upload it
08:00 ๐Ÿ”— davidar JesseW: actually, it would be cool if https://morph.io/ (spiritual successor to scraperwiki) proxied everything through something that archived WARCs by default, rather than just throwing away the sources after extracting the data from it
08:01 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli it's not a census or IA related stuff, just bunch of hashes I could get my hands to
08:01 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli some of it got to the IA or was downloaded from IA
08:01 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW davidar: yes, that would be much better
08:02 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW vitzli: in that case, pass it along to Ben Trask https://github.com/btrask
08:02 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW he likes hashes :-)
08:02 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli cool, will do, thank you
08:03 ๐Ÿ”— * davidar used to be involved in scraping stuff many years ago, but not so much anymore
08:07 ๐Ÿ”— bwn JesseW: do you want some help running through some of those?
08:10 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW bwn: some of what?
08:12 ๐Ÿ”— bwn sorry, you mentioned you were starting a census
08:12 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW Ah, those.
08:14 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW If you'd like to work on the 600,000 identifiers that were in the last list, but aren't in the current one, that'd be welcome.
08:14 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW I'll need to walk you through getting set up, though.
08:14 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW And I should probably head to sleep sooner than later...
08:15 ๐Ÿ”— bwn absolutely, whenever you get some time
08:15 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli JesseW, Is Ben Trask on IRC?
08:16 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW vitzli: IDK -- I haven't seen him on here, no.
08:16 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli ok, will email him
08:17 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW bwn: Do you have a unix system available?
08:18 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Are there stairs in your house
08:18 ๐Ÿ”— bwn yes and yes :)
08:19 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW You'll need to install GNU parallel, jq and iamine.
08:19 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW the first two should be available from your distro (and jq is a standalone binary so that's easy)
08:21 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW iamine you can get from https://archive.org/download/iamine-pex (I used ia-mine-0.5-py3.4.pex because I'm on py3.4)
08:32 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW oh, you'll also need pv for progress display
08:32 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW technically optional, but neat
08:37 ๐Ÿ”— JesseW It's made it to the C's!
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14:29 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow http://fos.textfiles.com/ARCHIVETEAM/ now is called automatically, all the uploads happen 24/7 without my intervention, so as whatever the amount of items are is hit, they get packed up and uploaded into their collections. Automatically.
14:34 ๐Ÿ”— Honno Hey I've got a secondary internal HDD now but it takes like 3 minutes to load a page using wayback (with pywb). I'm sure that I'm using the necessary index files and have the directories sorted in the correct way due to having that already checked out before regarding a different issue
14:34 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura What are the identifiers? What they are for? Can I help with anything?
14:37 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Also a second question: How do I work (warrior) on FTP project?
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15:14 ๐Ÿ”— VADemon Yoshimura: As far as I know FTP Project is NOT for warriors
15:14 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Oh. Why not? I feel like waste of time, it merely does 5GB a day.
15:15 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Which is a lot with web pages, but if half connections stall.
15:16 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Q about Archive.org: How do I upload warcs or stuff onto it myself? "Please contribute books, audio, and video files that you have the right to share." ... Does that mean I cannot archive valuable stuff that is publicly on internet and not used to make money?
15:18 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura I tried to switch to google code, but without complete shutdown it does not switch, and a single task is running 15 hours. I just do not get how regular people can help, if its not money, running (often) sluggish warrior instance, or providing code to something they have no idea about how it works and maybe does not even have public repository.
15:19 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity http://www.gearthblog.com/blog/archives/2016/04/big-google-earth-database.html
15:20 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity found that interesting
15:21 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura tldr: 'bout 3TB
15:22 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura *3PB
15:26 ๐Ÿ”— HCross Could we archive google earth/maps?
15:26 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura IDK if it would make sense.
15:26 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver HCross: yes.
15:27 ๐Ÿ”— alfie HCross: I'm not sure google would be happy with us ;) but yes, it would be a good idea
15:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver If we want to, I'll create a project
15:27 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli for personal use? There was a program that pulls the maps and stores them in local storage
15:27 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver But I'm quite sure that's not going to happen anytime soon
15:27 ๐Ÿ”— HCross I was only asking "if" it was possible
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15:29 ๐Ÿ”— HCross alfie, we already have our fair share of google employees who dont like us :P
15:29 ๐Ÿ”— alfie HCross: it's only fair, i don't like them either :P
15:29 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Company has no problem defending its copyright, person has to give us his personal information in order to defend himself. Company has no problems defending themselves about violations of copyright blaming it on their users via ToS. Person has no way to get out. ... I have no idea how should I proceed in getting information of what I can or can not
15:29 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura do in terms of preserving knowledge that is currently publicly accessible for free, but might cease in future. If anyone has any links related, would be appreciated.
15:30 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow DO NOT ARCHIVE GOOGLE MAPS
15:30 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow DO NOT ARCHIVE GOOGLE MAPS
15:31 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Q: Is there a way to get into FTP project or another, higher bandwidth one?
15:32 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Btw, anything running on Parse Server might get out of business, unless they migrate by January.
15:33 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli technically it is possible, for example SAS.ะŸะปะฐะฝะตั‚ะฐ / SAS.Planet / SASPlanet downloads chunks from kh.google servers - it can combine them into large .jpg maps, different resolutions are possible from 1 (entire world) to 18 (human shadows are visible)
15:34 ๐Ÿ”— alfie vitzli: depends if my "archiving google maps" we mean the imagery or the maps data
15:34 ๐Ÿ”— vitzli http://www.sasgis.org/ - can't find the english version of the website
15:35 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver SketchCow: don't worry, we won't
15:35 ๐Ÿ”— HCross ^ Was only being hypothetical
15:35 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver :P
15:35 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging I think he doesn't want you do archive google maps
15:36 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver that's exactly what he said
15:36 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging :p
15:38 ๐Ÿ”— midas soo, archive bing maps then?
15:38 ๐Ÿ”— * midas hides
15:39 ๐Ÿ”— phuzion lol
15:39 ๐Ÿ”— HCross Yahoo maps - if they are a thing
15:40 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow By the way, that music bootleg site CONTINUES to download.
15:40 ๐Ÿ”— midas slow and steady wins the race, again
15:41 ๐Ÿ”— phuzion I was going to say as an alternative to archiving Google Maps or Bing Maps, maybe we could look at grabbing OSM's datasets, but it's already on IA, and relatively current at that.
15:41 ๐Ÿ”— phuzion Granted, OSM doesn't have satellite imagery or anything like that
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15:44 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging Why is fotolog taking so long? Do you need more warriors or is it just the rate limiting?
15:45 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver They're website can't handle more load
15:45 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver err
15:45 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver their website*
15:46 ๐Ÿ”— Frogging ah
15:46 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Rate limit, yes, its nonstop Service over load.
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— midas arkiver: fotolog.com right?
15:47 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver yes
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— midas the pictures we are grabbing, are we grabbing them via the cloudflare service or directly?
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— arkiver just like they are on the page
15:49 ๐Ÿ”— midas k
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17:06 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work Yoshimura: URLTeam can always use people investigating new shorteners: see the wiki page for URLTeam for details.
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17:07 ๐Ÿ”— xmc yes, urlteam is an endless sink of only semi-automatable labor
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17:21 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Yes, urlteam could use JesseW's "intense" attention.
17:23 ๐Ÿ”— * Yoshimura will look into that
17:24 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow Jesse should.
17:33 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid SketchCow> DO NOT ARCHIVE GOOGLE MAPS <- i would LOVE it if someone did so for selected regions
17:34 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work SketchCow: I already keep an eye on URLteam. Were you talking about Yoshimura?
17:34 ๐Ÿ”— xmc i think it was a typo yes
17:35 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work hopefully.
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19:07 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow No, I mean you
19:07 ๐Ÿ”— SketchCow I want that thing singing
19:10 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work :-P
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19:36 ๐Ÿ”— schbirid http://blog.dshr.org/2016/04/brewster-kahles-distributed-web-proposal.html
19:38 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura If there is something more specific I can do in terms of urlteam, let me know.
19:39 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura I tried finding API for writing the settings. And my warrior for url does nto have enough work
19:40 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work Yoshimura: come over to #urlteam and I'll try to clarify
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20:15 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity i just wish we could have the warrior join more than one project at once without have to launch another VM
20:15 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity like make the # of projects = the number of concurrent connections or whatever
20:16 ๐Ÿ”— JW_work atrocity: I've wanted the same thing โ€” I just haven't gotten around to learning (and setting up a test environment) for the warrior code enough to implement it.
20:22 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura Btw a better way to purge the data drive, by setting the regular to Writethrough and useing snapshot
20:22 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura So you have "Clean start" snapshot.
20:23 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura atrocity: Make a VM and use multiple dockers :P
20:24 ๐Ÿ”— Yoshimura I might work on warrior or something code also, but everythign takes time learnign how stuff works.
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20:58 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity yeah, i won't even spend the time, haha! just working on too many other projects atm that require a lot of time/effort
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21:13 ๐Ÿ”— godane so i got Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers Host TMNT 2 on fox
21:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane i also figured out the date was 1993-11-26 when it aired
21:14 ๐Ÿ”— godane Black Friday Night
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21:39 ๐Ÿ”— atrocity lol
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