#archiveteam-bs 2016-04-15,Fri

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00:00 πŸ”— alfie because my suggestion, is use vagrant
00:00 πŸ”— Yoshimura Probably just being lazy to the level thinking about how to be more lazy. The outcome agreed before was that it would be nice to have docker -> vm thing.
00:00 πŸ”— alfie vagrant is like docker, except it has proper virtualisation and works everywhere
00:00 πŸ”— Yoshimura Then he came with packer and said it solves everything, which it does not, needs multiple records, and also needs manual steps likely like booting with pre-seed
00:01 πŸ”— alfie yeah, vagrant should be easier than both packer and docker
00:01 πŸ”— alfie https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/getting-started/ i'm currently working on something, but if you have a read through the vagrant docs you should be able to figure it out, it's pretty easy
00:01 πŸ”— Yoshimura The goal is to generate docker and vm image. My goal was more refined though. Including easier mainteance.
00:02 πŸ”— Yoshimura Okay, will take a look, thanks.
00:02 πŸ”— alfie vagrant sits on top of virtualbox, so yes you'll be generating a VM image, but you'll have the ease-of-use of docker
00:02 πŸ”— alfie except you'll get proper virtualisation, compared to docker's "not really isolated shared kernel containers"
00:03 πŸ”— Yoshimura Does it at least (vagrant or packer) allow to specify a preseed somehow?
00:03 πŸ”— alfie docker is popular, docker is not good :P
00:03 πŸ”— alfie what would you need a preseed for?
00:03 πŸ”— Yoshimura docker is good, that is the aim, stripping down the virtualisation.
00:04 πŸ”— Yoshimura preseed is in another words config how the installer should "click"
00:04 πŸ”— alfie Yoshimura: IMO the aim is abstracting away the virtualisation
00:04 πŸ”— Yoshimura Actually VM means slower, so stripping also, depends on person.
00:05 πŸ”— alfie VM doesn't necessarily mean slower
00:05 πŸ”— alfie or rather, "slower" isn't necessarily a caveat of VMs
00:06 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well, the overhead, not only being slower. Have to figure out what exactly vagrant is
00:06 πŸ”— alfie i think you should aim for easy re-deployment, which vagrant does awesomely
00:07 πŸ”— Yoshimura ova import is easy.
00:07 πŸ”— alfie Yoshimura: vagrant is a VM provisioning tool, it's crazy awesome
00:07 πŸ”— Yoshimura I have no idea what it is there is no page explaining.
00:08 πŸ”— alfie https://www.vagrantup.com/docs/why-vagrant/ this page explains it
00:08 πŸ”— alfie but vagrant is basically docker for VMs
00:08 πŸ”— alfie so, docker, but useful ;)
00:09 πŸ”— arkiver Yoshimura: I don't know who has the highest word
00:09 πŸ”— arkiver I'd say we all do
00:10 πŸ”— arkiver But if it's an improvement to what we have, most people here will be fine with it
00:10 πŸ”— Frogging ArchiveTeam doesn't seem to have a hierarchy
00:10 πŸ”— Frogging :p
00:10 πŸ”— Frogging well, except SketchCow is at the top
00:10 πŸ”— Frogging I think
00:11 πŸ”— alfie hold on, i'll draw out the archiveteam "heirarchy", gimme two seconds
00:12 πŸ”— joepie91 archiveteam hierarchy most closely resembles a quantum state
00:12 πŸ”— joepie91 changes every time you look at it
00:12 πŸ”— alfie joepie91: shush, wait for my terrible visual joke
00:12 πŸ”— joepie91 lol
00:12 πŸ”— Frogging xD
00:12 πŸ”— joepie91 k
00:12 πŸ”— alfie (currently attempting to find a decent brush in krita)
00:13 πŸ”— Yoshimura You know and use krita, cool, did you backup kickstarter?
00:13 πŸ”— alfie Yoshimura: nah, didn't have any money at the time. i do know, use, and adore krita, and will donate when i have the funds :D
00:13 πŸ”— Yoshimura Btw... everything boils down to you have to use someones else box to start of, or an iso with manual input.
00:14 πŸ”— Yoshimura I did fund, never used it.
00:14 πŸ”— Yoshimura Everyone alsmost has $5
00:16 πŸ”— alfie https://alfiepates.me/junk/archiveteam.png
00:16 πŸ”— alfie cc joepie91
00:16 πŸ”— Frogging poor alfie :p
00:16 πŸ”— alfie appreciate my five minutes of krita+terrible mouse drawing
00:17 πŸ”— Yoshimura Hmm.
00:19 πŸ”— alfie now before you guys distracted me with horrendous art, what was i actually working on
00:21 πŸ”— mr-b http://i.imgur.com/vDxJOf6.gif
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01:36 πŸ”— godane SketchCow: i'm uploading TV Time Capsule pt. III and pt. IV from myspleen
01:37 πŸ”— godane these are old encodes from 2005 and 2006
01:38 πŸ”— godane pt. IV for example has first 3 hours of CNN and 3 hours of the Challenger Disaster
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02:28 πŸ”— joepie91 SketchCow: found a wrongly categorized WARC: https://archive.org/details/warc-8ch.net-leaked
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03:32 πŸ”— yipdw_ Yoshimura: if you got the idea that I switched goals, then I communicated them badly; the goal was the same the entire time
03:33 πŸ”— Yoshimura Alright. I still cannot convince myself that packer is the best giving result, but a good way non-theless.
03:34 πŸ”— yipdw_ whichever
03:35 πŸ”— Yoshimura I am more worried about the large version bump, and compatibility.
03:35 πŸ”— yipdw_ gotta test it
03:35 πŸ”— yipdw_ in any case, I suspect your goal is different than mine; I just wanted an update of the base image, and perhaps a single source for the two
03:35 πŸ”— yipdw_ it sounds like others are hankering for much more substantial changes
03:35 πŸ”— Yoshimura Yeah, I had to remove some packages, noted those in #warrior. Also removed glibc6-i686 package glibc6 automatically selects the platform
03:35 πŸ”— yipdw_ as a result I have no further input
03:36 πŸ”— Yoshimura My first goal is same. Updated image. Secondary better way to manage it.
03:38 πŸ”— Yoshimura Iterations over one large thing would be currently more beneficial. The size check and some other stuff optimizing for less CPU. And stats reporting to tracker.
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04:48 πŸ”— Yoshimura Packer is bullshit.
04:49 πŸ”— Yoshimura Either bad documentation or there is not ability to not create a disk.
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05:51 πŸ”— Yoshimura yipdw_: Actually there is more problems. The scripts on git do not even include the framebuffer logo. Unless it's hidden in something.
05:52 πŸ”— Yoshimura Some idiot has taken nick on github just to never uploadanything
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07:44 πŸ”— dxrt Lord_Nigh: yep. https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/supportedsites.html - just be sure to always upgrade to the latest version before using.
07:46 πŸ”— Medowar The Fotolog job has no remaining objects, but 170k jobs are still out. Do these remaining Objects get republished, so they can get grabbed or are they basically lost?
07:48 πŸ”— Yoshimura Re-queued stuff is put back manually later, if they are just not completed by warriors as usual.
07:49 πŸ”— Yoshimura If there is another problem, have no idea, ask someone in charge :P
08:21 πŸ”— PurpleSym They were not aware of urlteam, I guess: http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/04/guess-what-url-shorteners-short-circuit-cloud-security/
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08:41 πŸ”— Yoshimura PurpleSym: Old news, you are third today. And it's good they do not.
08:42 πŸ”— Yoshimura Else we could not archive. And that their security sucks is not our problem. There should be a tickbox: "More secure link" or something.
08:43 πŸ”— Yoshimura The bottomline is : have 6 char [a-zA-Z0-9] links and use smart (log) rate limiting.
08:43 πŸ”— Yoshimura That way a burst (likely user) would be fine, while repeated hits would get throttled fast.
08:44 πŸ”— Yoshimura Also 404s would give much higher negative score.
08:48 πŸ”— PurpleSym There’s no point in archiving if nobody is allowed to use the data.
08:52 πŸ”— Yoshimura Archiving what? Short urls? There is, most of the stuff is public.
08:55 πŸ”— PurpleSym My point was: The researchers should know about urlteam its data trove.
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09:47 πŸ”— arkiver Medowar: I need to do some processing to get the new itemlists
09:48 πŸ”— arkiver I'm not sure yet when that is done.
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11:53 πŸ”— atrocity hmm, if ms stopped offering the one drive shortener, we should crawl tht soonish as it might go soon, no?
12:26 πŸ”— VADemon ^ #urlteam
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12:42 πŸ”— atrocity i feel like he came in here just to tell me that, lol
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13:58 πŸ”— Sanqui https://freedom-to-tinker.com/blog/vitaly/gone-in-six-characters-short-urls-considered-harmful-for-cloud-services/
13:58 πŸ”— Sanqui terror in tiny town
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14:14 πŸ”— atrocity Sanqui: yeah, just realized it meant bit.ly WAS the same thing, lol
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17:11 πŸ”— DarkMorph FileFront shutting down :(
17:13 πŸ”— MrRadar Yep, we're on it: http://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=GameFront
17:14 πŸ”— phuzion DarkMorph: ~28TB saved from them so far
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17:16 πŸ”— DarkMorph awesome
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18:36 πŸ”— swebb sets mode: +o bzc6p_
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18:38 πŸ”— bzc6p http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/man-accidentally-deletes-his-entire-company-with-one-line-of-bad-code-a6984256.html
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo achip Atluxity chfoo chfoo-
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo closure dashcloud Fletcher Fletcher_
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo GLaDOS godane HCross HCross2
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo ivan` joepie91 JW_work Kazzy
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo Kaz midas PurpleSym Sanqui
18:41 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +oooo SimpBrain schbirid Smiley Start
18:42 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +ooo VADemon wp494 yipdw_
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19:22 πŸ”— zino bzc6p; That one was an obvious troll. It's not possible to do what he said he did on a normal Linux disk now a days, and he made it even less likely when answering comments.
19:24 πŸ”— JW_work zino: it's a slightly odd troll because the account has over a year of more or less plausible questions in its history
19:26 πŸ”— zino JW_work: Well, it might make more sense in the context marketing. See https://meta.serverfault.com/questions/8696/what-to-do-with-the-rm-rf-hoax-question
19:27 πŸ”— zino 'The original poster said in a recent article it was " a guerrilla marketing operation" so blatant spam/troll. tombull89'
19:30 πŸ”— zino I got that sent by a collegue when it was fresh, and we all cringed a bit at someone being that stupid. Then he posted the followup with "I tried to save disk images with dd, but I confused if and of". Then it was obvious he was just trolling. My technophobic mother doesn't do misstakes that bad.
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20:38 πŸ”— * Yoshimura does apologize to everyone he has offended or was not nice to, for whatever reason. Yoshimura wishes to be nice to everyone, but his mind sometimes is going places.
20:52 πŸ”— SketchCow I seriously don't like yiu.
20:53 πŸ”— SketchCow you are still here because some team members find some measure of value in your insulting, high spectrum premise clarification demands.
20:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Our own little Chaos Monkey.
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21:03 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well, as you could noticed I did stop that, or at least tried. Depending on person it is hard to get first impressions go.
21:04 πŸ”— xmc six hours is kind of long for "first impressions"
21:05 πŸ”— Yoshimura I am aware of that, though it's still a single instance.
21:06 πŸ”— SketchCow borrowed time.
21:06 πŸ”— xmc you're on thin ice, please make a note of it
21:06 πŸ”— SketchCow not thin ice
21:06 πŸ”— SketchCow literally no ice
21:07 πŸ”— SketchCow two people who are brilliant and who I deeply respect have asked me not to just block out someone as they try to extract a razor-thin amount of value from interacting with him.
21:07 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well, not sure how could I "fix" it, undo it, or anything, so ... if any notes, just please tell me.
21:08 πŸ”— SketchCow nothing
21:09 πŸ”— SketchCow you will eventually be gone
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21:22 πŸ”— Yoshimura Warrior does not do thing for what lies at the end, but for what lies in the process. I might be gone, but my work would be not, unless made so. So I am keeping my work.
21:22 πŸ”— Frogging *sigh*
21:26 πŸ”— xmc warrior is for archiving, archiving is not done for the fun of archiving
21:27 πŸ”— * arkiver disagrees a bit there
21:28 πŸ”— * arkiver likes it when a new websites pops up which needs to be archived
21:28 πŸ”— arkiver website*
21:30 πŸ”— Yoshimura In this context warrior was not the software, and noone mentioned 'fun' as purpose.
21:31 πŸ”— arkiver So what is Yoshimura trying to make exactly? I haven't read the whole conversation
21:32 πŸ”— xmc enemies?
21:32 πŸ”— * JW_work is also somewhat confused.
21:32 πŸ”— JW_work I'm grateful for the help with #urlteam entries, though.
21:32 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well sketch just said I would eventually be gone, so that was the rest
21:33 πŸ”— HCross2 I think it's something to do with modernising the Warrior
21:33 πŸ”— Yoshimura And there is no specific goal of mine, just making the process and stuff better and preserving knowledge that is worth doing so.
21:33 πŸ”— arkiver But what exactly would become better about the warrior except for modernising it?
21:33 πŸ”— arkiver new features
21:34 πŸ”— arkiver or faster?
21:34 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well, when I came I did talk about format and stuff, most of that was questions or concepts, and not particulary pushing those to be adopted, but it was understood like so, and now "noone" likes me apparently.
21:34 πŸ”— Frogging it'd help if you were less pompous
21:34 πŸ”— Yoshimura Warrior? Features, faster, modernized.
21:35 πŸ”— Yoshimura Well, since I did meditate about that after first day I am, second day I said only few sentences, but some people carry that todate.
21:36 πŸ”— SketchCow yes, it is everyone else's fault.
21:37 πŸ”— Yoshimura Everyone is responsible for his actions and for his perception.
21:37 πŸ”— Yoshimura I did not ever say it is someones else fault what I wrote.
21:38 πŸ”— Yoshimura Warrior - Apparently due to its outdated nature, modernizing is the first logical step. After that user related features, then those going backend gradually, leaving that as last.
21:39 πŸ”— Yoshimura Then a fix (it works, so why rewrite) of megawarc factory.
21:40 πŸ”— Yoshimura And then getting through metadata and processing.
21:40 πŸ”— Yoshimura (Not mentioning labor type of work like shorteners)
21:40 πŸ”— Yoshimura arkiver: Summed that for you.
21:44 πŸ”— Yoshimura About deflate, have to confirm again, about compression gain, but fast eval was 20% less space which is great. But in context of switching from gzip to deflate with dictionary, thanks to the climate noone might want it. ... It is a question.. rewrite few lines on most of software or store 20% more. Text stuff is not that large (or is it? does anyon
21:44 πŸ”— Yoshimura e have estimate how much text part or archive.org takes?) and the other is not that compressible by additional dictionary, so unless proven the benefit is worth overall, including binary data, pictures, etc, it would not be smart to swap.
21:47 πŸ”— xmc did you check whether archive.org's wayback machine still works when you switch from gzip to deflate?
21:47 πŸ”— xmc because we can't control that end of things
21:47 πŸ”— SketchCow it. absolutely. diesn't
21:48 πŸ”— xmc ok well then if we're switching out the whole world i'd like to propose lzma
21:48 πŸ”— Kazzy if it weren't for your host, I'd assume you were that y2k kid
21:48 πŸ”— xmc which y2k kid?
21:48 πŸ”— Kazzy Dec-29-99 or whatever the fuck his name was
21:49 πŸ”— xmc oh yeah good old DEC-31-99
21:49 πŸ”— SketchCow DEC was just an angry tyke.
21:50 πŸ”— Kazzy i wonder if he's archived every simpsons episode onto m-disc yet
21:50 πŸ”— SketchCow Two Problwms here is just going to write a Medium think piece about his poor treatment and his conclusions via confirmation bias
21:51 πŸ”— Yoshimura xmc: The thing is that deflate can have predefined dictionary and is essentialy same algo and library (zlib)
21:53 πŸ”— schbirid SketchCow: if you want me to grab twilight cds, shout now
21:53 πŸ”— Yoshimura No need to use what bullies do, I was whole life (including abuse), which is how I did not gain great social skills in all circumstance.
21:54 πŸ”— SketchCow check thr items on archive.org for twilight.
21:54 πŸ”— schbirid can't be arsed sorry, i have access to discs 1-89 and can download them if you tell me which ones
21:55 πŸ”— JW_work pp9987654ew kiuytq
21:55 πŸ”— zino JW_work: Bless you
21:55 πŸ”— schbirid JW_work: time for a new irc account
21:55 πŸ”— SketchCow fine, grab em and ftp them
21:55 πŸ”— SketchCow ant other too
21:56 πŸ”— SketchCow any others
21:56 πŸ”— schbirid not gonna ruin my ratio by grabbing unneeded stuff
21:58 πŸ”— JW_work arghgh, sorry!
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22:01 πŸ”— MrRadar schbirid: I quickly browsed through the "Twilight cds" category on IA and it looks like 58, 59, 88, and 89 are missing from the 1-89 range
22:02 πŸ”— Kazzy the hero we need
22:04 πŸ”— schbirid ok, grabbing those
22:18 πŸ”— SketchCow hero
22:25 πŸ”— godane i can get them
22:26 πŸ”— godane i just been behind on things
22:28 πŸ”— godane schbirid: i have 58 and 59
22:28 πŸ”— schbirid ah nice
22:28 πŸ”— schbirid i will just grab 88 and 89 then
22:28 πŸ”— godane don'
22:29 πŸ”— godane i can get them
22:29 πŸ”— schbirid ok
22:29 πŸ”— schbirid thanks
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22:42 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/dvdrom-twilight-062
22:42 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/dvdrom-twilight-061
22:43 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/dvdrom-twilight-060
22:43 πŸ”— godane these need to be move
22:44 πŸ”— godane *those need to be moved to here: https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware
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22:45 πŸ”— godane looks like someone took my thunder away with that
22:46 πŸ”— godane i had the iso's but i have been busy with kpfa stuff
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22:54 πŸ”— godane looks like thw twilight 061 dvd is not the same iso that i have
22:57 πŸ”— nickname_ This needs to be moved: https://archive.org/details/wshu_2016-03-31.warc
22:58 πŸ”— godane looks like twilight 062 dvd doesn't have the same md5 as i do too
23:06 πŸ”— godane ok the twilight isos i have are 100%
23:06 πŸ”— godane so i may have to upload them anyways :-/
23:07 πŸ”— nickname_ what are you uploading?
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23:15 πŸ”— godane twilight isos
23:16 πŸ”— godane i think these isos are corruppted
23:16 πŸ”— godane not my fault at least since the torrent was 100% complete
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23:20 πŸ”— godane so i can't mount twilight iso 58 and 59
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