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I think IA asks for forgiveness rather than permission. They do stop publishing material subject to take-down requests. |
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phillipsj |
I like the "personal study" exemption myself, but I am not sure US Copyright law has that. (Education may be close.) |
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hook54321 |
Your account could have the ability to upload stuff removed though, right? |
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xmc |
probably |
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hook54321 |
^ |
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hook54321 |
Unless you know an admin really well then maybe. |
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Is there a reliable way to capture twitch.tv streams? VLC almost works but as soon as there's a minor lag/delay the capture is stopped |
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VADemon_ |
Hm, maybe restarting console-only VLC version as soon as it exits is the way to go, but does anyone have experience/better ideas? |
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VADemon_: I wish I knew a reliable way to capture streams in general... Youtube, Netflix, Hulu, etc. |
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Netflix/Hulu streams are surely DRMed, there's no easy way for them |
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What if we just recorded the packets it's sending? |
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phillipsj |
hook54321, you woyuld then have to store the decryption keys, which is apparently an act worse than copyright infringement :P |
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phillipsj |
'Circumvention of an effective technological measure' |
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phillipsj |
Hook: I though one one reason not to ignore ad analytics: AD blocker-blockers are becoming popular. Though it is not clear that a crawl would not just trigger them anyway. |
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Ducky_ |
phillipsj: a lot of those use js though |
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Ducky_ |
I haven't seen an anti-adblocker that runs without js |
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Ducky_ |
happy to be proven wrong though |
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ranma |
<hook54321> VADemon_: I wish I knew a reliable way to capture streams in general... Youtube, Netflix, Hulu, etc. |
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ranma |
i'm assuming the scene just FRAPS nutflix |
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ranma |
or fraps-like software |
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ranma |
because i see dropped frames and it drives me nuts |
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ranma |
can rtmpdump be used to capture non-DRM'd stuff? |
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hook54321 |
ranma: I almost always refuse to use screen capturing software for videos. I was talking about actually getting the packets. |
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hook54321 |
and saving them |
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ranma |
are the streams RTMP? |
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ranma |
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25974635/getting-youtube-live-event-rtmp-url-and-stream-name |
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hook54321 |
Netflix streams? I doubt it. They are probably use some proprietary stuff. |
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ranma |
i'm assuming youtube is immune to downgrading the SSL? |
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ranma |
considering gmail uses forward secracy |
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ranma |
i don't know what all SSLStrip can strip |
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pikhq |
hook54321: Netflix streaming isn't all that proprietary, at least when rendered through recent browsers. There, it's MPEG DASH with the HTML 5 DRM stuff. |
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pikhq |
At least in principle I think you could reverse engineer a lot of it and use the browser's DRM blob as a decryption oracle. |
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Ducky_ |
ranma, why not MITM the tls? |
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Ducky_ |
disable cert chefcking |
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ranma |
i'm sure if it were easy, the scene would have figured out how to do it |
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Ducky_ |
youtube-dl |
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ranma |
they so very much like to proper each other |
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Ducky_ |
https://rg3.github.io/youtube-dl/ |
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ranma |
the friday night nuke wars are amusing to watch. once or twice |
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Ducky_ |
Are we talking youtube or netflix |
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pikhq |
I was referring to Netflix. |
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pikhq |
ranma: Yeah, true -- I imagine I'm missing something there. |
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Ducky_ |
The CDM for EME is closed though |
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hook54321 |
Know if there's a way to automatically have youtube-dl download certain videos when they become available? |
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Ducky_ |
script? |
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Ducky_ |
Let me ask someone about netflix though |
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pikhq |
Ducky_: Closed, sure. There's no reason it has to be open source for the approach I'm describing: I'm literally suggesting that someone find it inside a browser and use it as a black box. |
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pikhq |
Which, though not the easiest thing ever, should be *possible*. |
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Ducky_ |
I wonder if they use the HDCP bypass? |
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Ducky_ |
or crack |
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Ducky_ |
didn't the keys get leaked |
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pikhq |
Worse, HDCP is horribly misdesigned such that all possible HDCP keys are mathematically correlated, so with relatively simple mathematics on a very small handful of data streams from HDCP supporting devices one can derive every *possible* HDCP key. |
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hook54321 |
what are we waiting for then? xD |
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pikhq |
(and, as such, HDCP is effectively broken wide open) |
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hook54321 |
ugh! why do tumblr jobs take so long? :/ |
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pikhq |
I suppose it's not that surprising though; the crypto system is pretty broken even by the standard of DRM schemes. 56-bit keys = "really, why even bother?" |
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if you're just straight wgetting against tumblr, they have sometimes thousands of profile images on each one that are all on different hosts. |
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Ducky_ |
looking over some posts on a site a frequent I see mentions to hdcp stripping |
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murk |
pikhq: 56bit seems awfully like export safe. |
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pikhq |
Yup! |
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murk: I think I had it use PhantomJS, does that make a difference? |
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pikhq |
Oh, no wonder. HDMI predates the significantly relaxed cipher export regulations in the US. |
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Ducky_ |
it does? |
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pikhq |
It uses 56-bit keys because it's an export grade cipher. |
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pikhq |
HDMI 1.0 was released in Feb. 17, 2000. |
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pikhq |
Shortly before the regulations were loosened. |
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murk |
not that the strength of the keys really matters much, if you have absolutely no cryptographic weakness there's always going to be an analog hole. all HDCP does is make the consuming of "legitimate" media significantly worse than anything else. |
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pikhq |
Typical of DRM, really: limit significantly the rights of consumers, while doing only trivial things to the pirates that are claimed to be the targets. |
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Ducky_ |
^ |
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hook54321 |
do fonts from http://fonts.googleapis.com/ really need to be included when archiving a site? |
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murk |
trivial things? it makes consuming purchased media *worse*. |
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pikhq |
murk: "To the pirates". |
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pikhq |
That is to say, if you were already going to be making or consuming illegal copies it's at worst a minor inconvenience. |
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pikhq |
It only makes things worse for everyone else. |
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murk |
yep. |
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murk |
makes the experience worse for ~everybody in the hopes that nobody will be able to break the scheme in some way, which is totally and utterly illogical. |
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pikhq |
It's only illogical if your primary goal is to stop piracy. |
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pikhq |
The primary goal seems to be to reduce consumer rights. |
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pikhq |
Not the stated goal to be sure, but if we look at what is actually *done* we're forced to conclude that's what is actually wanted out of it all. |
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yipdw |
oh, that's handy: alt+{up,down} in CLion scrolls between function definitions |
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hook54321 |
Help!!! How do I tell if my ear drum is ruptured!!??? |
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midas |
can you hear me? |
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hook54321 |
... |
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swebb sets mode: +o brayden |
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Atluxity |
poke something sharp into your ear |
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Atluxity |
if you rupture your ear drum |
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Atluxity |
then it was not ruptured |
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HCross2 |
Or just annoy Jason and make him scream |
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hook54321 |
-_- |
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hook54321 |
Any serious advice? |
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Atluxity |
got see a doctor |
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Atluxity |
*go |
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Atluxity |
and stop asking randoms on IRC for health advice |
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Atluxity |
:P |
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hook54321 |
eh |
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Sanqui |
so I threw http://www.nic.funet.fi/ into archivebot but it's a little bigger than I anticipated |
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Sanqui |
and that's even though I put ignores on linux mirrors and such |
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Sanqui |
thoughts? should I abort |
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HCross2 |
hook54321: need us to archive your ear? |
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hook54321 |
HCross2: only if you can add bacon |
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Sanqui |
you're lucky this is -bs |
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hook54321 |
ik |
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hook54321 |
!d dhndja6dnup1lcqsd9oozjlt9 200 300 |
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Sanqui |
almost |
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hook54321 |
!delay dhndja6dnup1lcqsd9oozjlt9 200 300 |
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hook54321 |
... |
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hook54321 |
oh oops |
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yes hello from Iceland |
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hook54321 |
Hello |
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pikhq HDMI is objectively worse than the *real* single-cable AV standard: SDI. It uses coax instead of many twisted pairs. That cable should be cheaper mass-produced, and you can have longer cable runs. But you can't Patent coax to enforce the HDMI. |
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phillipsj |
er, that should be "...enforec the HDCP." |
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phillipsj is also bitter about the MMC card redesign. The were *so close* to an ideal floppy replacement, and they go and add DRM (CPRM with device revocation) |
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phillipsj |
They used a weird Interface they could patent there too. |
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arkiver |
Noah 8-? made some new posts https://archive.org/details/movies&tab=forum |
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arkiver |
I'm famous! :) |
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hook54321 |
arkiver: you might want to look at the dodear.com job... |
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arkiver |
delayed. |
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hook54321 |
lol, Was that why it was timing out? :P |
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arkiver |
"This 'arkiver' hasta have permission to upload such a multitude - - - But why?" by Noah 8-? |
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xmc |
lol wat |
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arkiver |
https://archive.org/post/1057361/an-upload-every-18-seconds-for-nine-hours-or-2100-in-a-single-day |
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arkiver |
:P |
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xmc |
congratulations btw |
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xmc |
you failed the turing test? |
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xmc |
or passed? |
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arkiver |
Noah sees me as an automated uploader |
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xmc |
sounds like you use a script, i guess |
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xmc |
idk |
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xmc |
some people think small |
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arkiver |
Haha |
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j91_2go |
careful, don't interact with the trolls |
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xmc |
some small thinkers think everyone should think small |
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arkiver |
Yeah |
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arkiver |
Some nie collections are being uploaded of TV channels and organizations |
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arkiver |
for example https://archive.org/details/cattvvt?sort=-publicdate |
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arkiver |
lol, review from Noah on one of them https://archive.org/details/CAT-TV_WBTN_Present_-_Bennington_Select_Board_Candidates_Forum |
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xmc |
that's uh, not a very good video tbh |
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xmc |
:P |
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arkiver |
haha |
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arkiver |
https://archive.org/details/MAUMS_Patriot_Challenge_Brief_-_5_11_16 |
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arkiver |
there we go, better example |
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hook54321 |
I have to ask, why is the archivebot limited to 33 jobs at once? |
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HCross |
server capacity |
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xmc |
because that's the number of pipelines that people have set up |
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j91_2go |
Noah seems to like morse code |
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xmc |
if you want to contribute server space, you can add a couple to that |
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j91_2go |
xmc: what is the latest estimate on resources-required-per-pipeline>? |
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xmc |
usually idk, about 3-10 pipelines per server depending |
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xmc |
i'm not super knowledgeable about archivebot |
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j91_2go |
and how desired are additional pipelines? eg. is there a different bottleneck to keep in mind? |
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j91_2go |
ah |
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xmc |
extra archivebot pipelines are always welcome |
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j91_2go |
well, open question for anybody reading |
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j91_2go |
if I have concrete numbers, I can look into trying to get a beefy dedicated box |
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xmc |
keep in mind, you need to be able to promise months of uptime, because some jobs run for a long time and we don't have resume capabilities |
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j91_2go |
if I can make the costs work out |
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j91_2go |
yes, I know |
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j91_2go |
<- joepie91 |
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j91_2go |
:p |
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xmc |
ah |
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Sanqui |
why didn't the plan to turn warriors into backup archivebot pipelines work out? |
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j91_2go |
(blame efnet's stupid nick length limit) |
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xmc |
heh. i think the usual approach is to keep adding pipelines to a box until it starts to near its limits? |
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xmc |
Sanqui: we don't have resume in archivebot yet |
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j91_2go |
xmc: point is, if I know the numbers, I can see whether it's worth it to invest into a cheapo beefy box for the long term |
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hook54321 |
I would contribute some of my high school's internet bandwidth, but they use OpenDNS. :( |
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xmc |
if an archivebot job can be sliced into pieces, then yes it would be good for warrior |
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xmc |
j91_2go: mmm, yeah |
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j91_2go |
like, I can probably pull off a deal somewhere |
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j91_2go |
with a bit of negotiation |
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j91_2go |
stupid wifi |
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j91_2go |
[17:34] <j91_2go> like, I can probably pull off a deal somewhere |
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j91_2go |
[17:34] <j91_2go> with a bit of negotiation |
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xmc |
yeah it got thru |
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hook54321 |
j91_2go: have you heard of IRCCloud |
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Sanqui |
or znc... |
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hook54321 |
are there any public znc servers? |
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xmc |
hook54321: j91_2go is very experienced at irc |
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j91_2go |
I have a ZNC, it has about 2 years worth of PMs that I don't feel like dealing with |
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j91_2go |
so meh :P |
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xmc |
lol |
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hook54321 |
did the max number of jobs just change? |
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Sanqui |
I don't even know where you're getting the number from |
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Sanqui |
it varies |
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hook54321 |
Varies based on what? |
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Atluxity |
on how many people are engaged |
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Atluxity |
on how sturdy the target is |
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Atluxity |
if there is a rate limiter |
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Atluxity |
how big each item is |
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hook54321 |
I can't tell why the thinkinclusive.us job is grabbing tons of flickr images. :/ |
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schbirid |
think inclusive |
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ranma |
is that where they're storing the images on their site, hook54321? |
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ranma |
I think you can embed an album into a website |
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godane |
i'm going after etonline.com sitemap |
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godane |
*video sitemap |
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pikhq: not that it matters currently, but you shouldn't assume HDMI 2.0+ are permanently broken- HDMI 1.4 and earlier that should be a safe assumption, but I'm not sure if the leaked key actually works with HDMI 2.0 (because that adds 4K stuff, and I can't see the industry pass up an opportunity to re-key for that) |
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pikhq |
They changed the crypto for HDCP 2.x, but still managed to bungle it. |
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pikhq |
Just with a different problem. |
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xmc |
smooth |
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dashcloud |
if you really need to capture from an HDCP device, I hear the HD Fury line of products works surprisingly well there |
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ranma |
isn't the latest version not broken? |
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pikhq |
ranma: It is broken. |
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pikhq |
Though the exact details of how to broken aren't publicly revealed, you can buy an HDCP 2.2 stripper. |
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j91_2go |
whee, shitty DRM schemes |
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ranma |
ah |
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ranma |
I guess I didn't read that part of the wiki when I was troubleshooting my projector that is having hdcp issues |
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ranma |
because the expense of the fury isn't an option at the moment (PJ is a cheap LED Pico PJ) |