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01:26 πŸ”— godane i'm starting to upload 2004 episodes of MBC Newsdesk
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06:07 πŸ”— PurpleSym MrRadar: Not much in there, https://6xq.net/paste/reddit.warc.gz
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11:47 πŸ”— godane https://archive.org/details/jezebel.com-sitemap-2011-01-20160610
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15:17 πŸ”— godane kotaku.com sitemap collection so far: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22kotaku.com%22&sort=-publicdate
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15:51 πŸ”— MrRadar Thanks PurpleSym
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17:00 πŸ”— Kazzy sets mode: +b r3c0d3x!*@h255.8.117.75.dynamic.ip.windstream.net##fix_your_connection
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17:04 πŸ”— Kazzy well, at least we learned something.
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17:05 πŸ”— ErkDog lol
17:05 πŸ”— Kazzy sets mode: +b r3c0d3x!*@*
17:05 πŸ”— ranma xD
17:06 πŸ”— Kazzy didn't realise he was changing host every time too
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17:58 πŸ”— PurpleSym Finally. My flickr metadata grab finished. Discovered 1958119891 unique images.
18:03 πŸ”— MrRadar Wow, that's a lot
18:06 πŸ”— PurpleSym And it’s only a tiny fraction of the images available, MrRadar
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18:06 πŸ”— MrRadar Yeah
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18:06 πŸ”— MrRadar I wonder how many there are on Facebook
18:07 πŸ”— PurpleSym A lot more, I guess.
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19:23 πŸ”— * bzc6p has found a website blocked by his government for the very first time
19:24 πŸ”— HCross Which country and site?
19:25 πŸ”— bzc6p In fact, it's not strongly archiving related, but my country (Hungary) seems not to use it too often.
19:26 πŸ”— bzc6p That's why surprise. It's an international gambling site and block is due to some taxing reasons (illegal operation).
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19:33 πŸ”— bzc6p Interesting that I've never seen any site ISP-blocked by government, including warez sites (mass copyright infringement), bullying sites (privacy and human rights infringement) etc.
19:33 πŸ”— HCross How are they blocking, out off interest
19:34 πŸ”— bzc6p http://kepfeltoltes.hu/160611/allsports_en_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
19:34 πŸ”— bzc6p http://kepfeltoltes.hu/160611/allsports_hu_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.png
19:35 πŸ”— bzc6p I don't know their technicque, it returns 200 but shows that in my country.
19:36 πŸ”— bzc6p I don't care, was just surprised, we're not accustomed to such things. Like you can download stuff quite safely, you won't get a fine like in Germany.
19:36 πŸ”— Frogging returning 200 is bad
19:36 πŸ”— Frogging but yeah
19:36 πŸ”— HCross interesting, they are a british company too
19:37 πŸ”— Frogging also I just noticed I have op
19:37 πŸ”— Frogging is this supposed to be the case :p
19:37 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: -o Frogging
19:37 πŸ”— bzc6p just kidding
19:37 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: +o Frogging
19:37 πŸ”— Frogging heh
19:37 πŸ”— bzc6p sets mode: -o bzc6p
19:38 πŸ”— bzc6p So, I've heard about the regulation, by the way. It was like a few years ago. If you provide a gambling service in Hungarian, but you don't pay tax to the gov, you'll be banned.
19:38 πŸ”— bzc6p (There is a Hungarian version under /hu/
19:39 πŸ”— Frogging the only online gambling allowed in my province (Ontario) is the service provided by the Ontario government
19:39 πŸ”— Frogging I wonder if that's a federal rule or just provincial
19:40 πŸ”— bzc6p That's even more strict.
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19:41 πŸ”— Frogging (I looked it up, it's up to the province)
19:41 πŸ”— bzc6p And we have cyberbullying sites for a decade and those are not blocked. Money is more important
19:42 πŸ”— bzc6p (In fact, I don't say thzey should be blocked too, and not even that the one about should be unblocked, but still a bit strange)
19:42 πŸ”— bzc6p *above
19:43 πŸ”— Frogging I guess it's easier to point at this betting site and say it breaks the law, than it is to open the censorship can of worms
19:43 πŸ”— bzc6p And ISP blocking is quite effective.
19:43 πŸ”— bzc6p yeah
19:43 πŸ”— bzc6p that's a sensitive topic
19:44 πŸ”— Frogging it becomes political, really. one group of people finds the other group of people's opinions offensive. should either of them be censored? probably not
19:45 πŸ”— Frogging certainly not, in fact. it's just something that nations valuing free speech have to deal with
19:45 πŸ”— bzc6p In fact, my opinion is that anyone should be left to say anything. The problem is not if someone says horrible things, but that there are thousands of stupid people following it.
19:45 πŸ”— * bzc6p idealistic
19:45 πŸ”— Frogging "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
19:46 πŸ”— bzc6p We need a smarter society. Otherwise we'll nuke each other anyway.
19:47 πŸ”— Frogging we came close 30 years ago, I think people generally wised up since then. but then I look at Trump
19:47 πŸ”— Frogging ..
19:47 πŸ”— bzc6p Frogging idealistic
19:48 πŸ”— bzc6p Not just Trump
19:48 πŸ”— bzc6p woop woop off-topic siren... wait it's already -bs
19:48 πŸ”— bzc6p -bs-bs
19:49 πŸ”— bzc6p When I start speaking... So I stop it now. Rather I spreas some ops.
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19:55 πŸ”— whydomain If I upload a WARC to IA, will it automatically get added to the wayback machine?
19:56 πŸ”— bzc6p No
19:56 πŸ”— bzc6p If you've got a bunch, you need to request it from SketchCow
19:57 πŸ”— JesseW Generally WARCs with unknown provanenace don't get added to the Wayback Machine
19:57 πŸ”— JesseW If the pages are still available, it'd be better to add them via web.archive.org/save or #archivebot
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19:58 πŸ”— JesseW If not, just upload the WARC yourself, and maybe also extract any of the particularly interesting content (images, text, etc) and upload those to separate items so they can be found more easily (make sure to put plenty of metadata).
19:59 πŸ”— whydomain Thanks, is there etiquette for WARCs? (i.e: one WARC per section of a site) or do people not mind what web pages are contained in a WARC?
20:02 πŸ”— JesseW generally it doesn't matter much -- it's best not to make them *too* big (i.e. someone in the range of a few GB, IIRC) but if people want particular pieces from them, there are tools to extract that. I wouldn't worry overmuch about adjusting them before uploading.
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20:04 πŸ”— JesseW The main point is to have as clear a chain of provenance as you can get -- i.e. don't repackage them if you can avoid it, include whatever information you are willing/able to share about the network/ISP connection they were grabbed from, etc.
20:04 πŸ”— whydomain can / should multiple WARCs be combined together by simple joining the text files? (I've got a few thousand WARCs, one for each page)
20:04 πŸ”— JesseW I *think* so, but I'm not sure.
20:05 πŸ”— bzc6p No
20:06 πŸ”— bzc6p Long answer:
20:06 πŸ”— JesseW One important bit is that if you compress them, make sure you compress each WARC record separately, and concatenate the results
20:06 πŸ”— bzc6p Try the megawarc tool, that is designed for this – works well and is simple
20:06 πŸ”— * JesseW agrees with bzc6p
20:07 πŸ”— bzc6p bzc6p agrees with JesseW
20:07 πŸ”— bzc6p I wanted to say that, yes, warc.gz-s are comppressed per record. Not worth struggling with that, and bad repackaging makes the warc unusable. megawarc is your tool.
20:08 πŸ”— whydomain Thanks! megawarc is just what I needed
20:08 πŸ”— bzc6p :)
20:09 πŸ”— JesseW bad repackaging requires it to be undone and done correctly -- it (generally) doesn't permanently *corrupt* the data, though (unlike, say, lossy encoding)
20:09 πŸ”— JesseW (again, as-I-understand-it)
20:09 πŸ”— bzc6p straightforward
20:16 πŸ”— bzc6p Well, just ungzipping a warc.gz gives you a single big textfile. By-record recompressign would need intelligent tools. However, I've come across a tool that unpacks it by-record, and later gzipping it with the proper option (there is a per-file compressing) it MIGHT work. (Unnecessary prattle, use megawarc, that's it.)
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22:45 πŸ”— godane so my old hard drive may have fry a usb port
22:45 πŸ”— godane i'm not 100% but nothing pops up in thunar vs the other one now
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23:47 πŸ”— MrRadar godane: Some USB controllers use polyfuses on the power lines which self-reset after a while; give it a day or so then try it again
23:48 πŸ”— godane i restarted and its working again
23:49 πŸ”— godane i put my usb boot stick into it see if it even detected the drive
23:55 πŸ”— godane the port in question was ss with lightening bolt symbol

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