#archiveteam-bs 2016-11-24,Thu

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15:49 🔗 godane Happy Thanksgiving!
16:33 🔗 kvieta no
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19:01 🔗 Phreaky I'm here!
19:02 🔗 Phreaky I keep trying to download that torrent, but I doubt anyone will ever seed it unfortunately.
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19:30 🔗 godane DTIC ADA040398: User's Manual for the NLINE Multiconductor Transmission-Line Computer Code. : https://archive.org/details/DTIC_ADA040398
19:45 🔗 DFJustin there is no global filename search for wayback, I agree that it would be very useful
19:47 🔗 DFJustin if you do end up finding a copy, please upload it to the community audio area on archive.org
20:00 🔗 Phreaky I will certainly do.
20:00 🔗 Phreaky I'm going to compile some sorta collection of Swedish 00s internet culture.
20:00 🔗 Phreaky Unfortunetly, a lot of the stuff I'm looking for was spread through filesharing networks.
20:00 🔗 Phreaky A lot of it can be found on Youtube, but I like having the original files.
20:01 🔗 Phreaky I've been able to get some pretty rare files through old torrents though.
20:06 🔗 Phreaky Global filename search, or any search engine specifically for Wayback would be really useful for my work.
20:08 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: serious suggestion: check Limewire, WinMX, etc.?
20:09 🔗 Phreaky Don't those work pretty much like Bittorrent, making pretty much everything dead at this point?
20:09 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: no, they use shared folders
20:09 🔗 joepie91 so it's very likely that somebody just shared their "music" folder
20:09 🔗 joepie91 and has it hidden in the depths of that somewhere
20:09 🔗 joepie91 if nobody has it, it won't even show up
20:10 🔗 Phreaky Intriguing...
20:10 🔗 Phreaky So, how do I get this to work?
20:10 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: it's often a decent place to look for long-dead files
20:10 🔗 joepie91 :p
20:10 🔗 Phreaky It says on Wikipedia that it used the Gnutella network, can I use any Gnutella client then?
20:10 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: grab a "previous-generation" P2P client of choice, install it, see if anything shows up
20:10 🔗 joepie91 I think so? not sure how Limewire worked exacftly
20:10 🔗 joepie91 I know that WinMX has its own network
20:11 🔗 joepie91 it's probably still alive despite being shut down a decade ago
20:11 🔗 joepie91 community patched the client to keep it running
20:11 🔗 Phreaky Any way you can point me?
20:11 🔗 Phreaky I run GNU/Linux.
20:11 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: ah, that will be difficult then. best bet is try to use WINE or alternatively a VM
20:11 🔗 Phreaky Oh, Frostwire exists.
20:11 🔗 joepie91 most older P2P clients were Windows-only
20:12 🔗 Phreaky Well, were can I get the patched client?
20:12 🔗 Phreaky Or is there anyone here who already has it running that could scan the network for me?
20:12 🔗 joepie91 Phreaky: for WinMX, https://www.winmxworld.com/
20:12 🔗 joepie91 I don't have any P2P clients running at the moment
20:12 🔗 joepie91 :p
20:12 🔗 Phreaky Anyone who has Limewire running?
20:12 🔗 joepie91 interesting
20:13 🔗 joepie91 seems ourmx is finally getting work done
20:13 🔗 joepie91 it's slightly fascinating how the community is developing a new client...
20:13 🔗 joepie91 after having been officially shut down over a decade ago by RIAA etc...
20:13 🔗 joepie91 :P
20:14 🔗 Phreaky I'll try using a regular Gnutella client.
20:21 🔗 Phreaky Hmm, can't find anything there. :(
20:25 🔗 Phreaky I would totally run Limewire on a virtual machine, but I'm on my laptop right now, so I just don't feel like doing it.
20:25 🔗 Phreaky Asking again, is there anyone on this channel that has Limewire running somewhere?
20:30 🔗 Frogging haven't in years, sorry
20:34 🔗 Phreaky Aww....
20:37 🔗 Frogging shit, you know, I hate when sites do this http://www.techu.me/2013/06/winners-of-the-2013-techu-me-appjam/
20:37 🔗 Frogging (it's an under construction page, all the old content is disappeared)
20:37 🔗 Frogging Fortunately that one is on wayback
20:41 🔗 godane so i just had dinner
20:41 🔗 godane stuffed
20:56 🔗 hook54321 Is it a bad idea to buy a Western Digital 3TB external drive?
20:58 🔗 godane you can get a 4tb for $10 more
20:59 🔗 hook54321 The one I found is $68
20:59 🔗 godane ok then
20:59 🔗 godane also i think the 4tb is $110 online
20:59 🔗 godane but $130 in store
21:00 🔗 hook54321 I'm kinda reluctant to get it because I've heard bad things about WD and 3tb hard drives
21:01 🔗 godane i don't have 3tb drives from wd
21:01 🔗 godane not recent ones anyways
21:03 🔗 hook54321 Actually, it's the Seagate ones that are apparently really bad
21:03 🔗 hook54321 http://lifehacker.com/why-you-should-buy-4-tb-hard-drives-and-skip-the-3-tb-o-1680887763
21:03 🔗 joepie91 hook54321: store-bought external HDDs will basically contain whatever the manufacturer had laying around at the time
21:04 🔗 joepie91 don't rely on reviews because the disk model may very well change month-to-month
21:04 🔗 hook54321 But it's still going to actually be a WD drive inside, right?
21:04 🔗 joepie91 hook54321: maybe, maybe not.
21:05 🔗 joepie91 and it may be a Green, or a Red, or whatever else they had cheap at the time
21:06 🔗 hook54321 Green? Red?
21:07 🔗 Kaz http://blog.usro.net/wd-hdd-colors-difference/
21:11 🔗 hook54321 ah
21:11 🔗 joepie91 hook54321: Kaz: note, Blue no longer really exists
21:12 🔗 joepie91 they're effectively just Greens
21:12 🔗 Kaz yeah, just the first search result to give him an idea
21:12 🔗 Kaz I only buy reds anyway
21:12 🔗 joepie91 Green is the thing people always complain about failing
21:12 🔗 joepie91 :P
21:13 🔗 hook54321 It says Greens are the ones that no longer exist
21:22 🔗 joepie91 hook54321: yeah, they've been rebranded Blue I believe
21:23 🔗 joepie91 but they're still Greens
21:23 🔗 joepie91 internally
21:23 🔗 joepie91 so all the online info about Blue drives is *not* applicable to current-day Blue drives
21:23 🔗 joepie91 the info about Green drives, however, is
21:23 🔗 joepie91 "real" Blue drives were never produced bigger than 1TB
21:23 🔗 Frogging I don't know why the fuck they did that with the branding
21:23 🔗 Frogging it's just confusing now
21:23 🔗 joepie91 Frogging: trying to get rid of bad rep I guess
21:24 🔗 Frogging then rename the green to orange or something
21:24 🔗 Frogging rather than having some blues be "blue but actually green"
21:24 🔗 Frogging if the reason for the bad rep still exists it'll just transfer the bad rep to the blue brand :p
21:25 🔗 Frogging also they were each for different applications, and branded differently to reflect it, now that distinction is less clear
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22:53 🔗 Kaz oh boy. Hadn't seen this list before http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/technology/your-entire-internet-history-to-be-viewable-by-psni-taxman-dwp-and-food-standards-agency-and-other-government-bodies-within-weeks-35242522.html
22:55 🔗 arkiver what the fuck
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22:55 🔗 arkiver that's like worse than what the NSA does sometimes
22:55 🔗 arkiver afaik food standard agencies don't have access to NSA servers
22:56 🔗 Kaz hah
22:56 🔗 Kaz there's even organisations I didn't even know existed, like "Gangmasters and Labour Abuse Authority"
22:57 🔗 Kaz and I fail to see what the Dep for Transport neds everyone's history for..
22:57 🔗 HCross my local council cant collect a bin properly, let alone spy on people
22:59 🔗 Kaz you're fine
23:00 🔗 arkiver pretty shocking
23:00 🔗 arkiver it's now going to happen legally
23:01 🔗 arkiver and even more have access now :/
23:01 🔗 arkiver what will the internet look like in 2030
23:01 🔗 arkiver free browsing someones computer if you're the food agency
23:02 🔗 Phreaky arkiver: The internet has been on a decline since like 2007 or something for different reasons though.
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