[00:02] I don't technically enforce my licenses [00:02] but it's been said that a lot of people are not alive when they crossed them [00:02] not... alive [00:16] lately I've been enjoying the use of the Masonic Public License... nobody seems to get away with violating that one, somehow. [00:17] also there are secret terms [00:17] unfortunately nobody knows what the rules are though [00:17] it's even worse than a contract of adhesion [00:17] it's like a contract of mortar and cement. [00:18] you can nullify the license contract if you want to, but then you just used the work without a license :P [00:30] FalconK: not very public then is it? [00:31] MPL Masonic Private License [00:31] :) [00:38] *** VeganMars has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [01:28] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:47] *** SmileyG has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:48] *** Smiley has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:05] *** ndiddy has quit IRC (Quit: you ever wonder if you're too stupid to know how stupid you are) [05:10] *** Sk1d has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [05:17] *** Sk1d has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:26] *** balrog has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:01] *** GE has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:14] *** balrog has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:14] *** swebb sets mode: +o balrog [06:32] *** dashcloud has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [06:33] *** dashcloud has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:38] *** divingk has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:38] As for how to do it, [06:38] it being TV DXing, [06:38] it depends on the conditions. [06:39] Because normally, signals extend for about 100-200 miles from the source. [06:39] You can use a normal antenna, but there can also be preamps. [06:40] Could someone use it how they regularly use a TV antenna? [06:40] Just for casually watching tv [06:40] Here's the thing/ [06:40] TV DXing is quite unpredictable. [06:41] What is it affected by? [06:41] Any physical thing. [06:41] Where you live plays a big factor. [06:42] Water can help relay signals. [06:42] What about rain? [06:42] That makes the signal more erratic. [06:43] That's the thing about TV DX. [06:43] ah. so it probably wouldn't work very well in oregon i assume? [06:43] Yes. [06:44] Most of the people who do it are along the coasts. [06:44] So, are the channels they receive kinda random? [06:45] Yes. [06:45] Since it's OTA, would it be legal to live stream it publicly online? [06:46] Maybe, maybe not. [06:46] What do you mean? [06:46] Most of the people who do it don't. [06:46] why? [06:46] I haven't seen people stream it. [06:46] Mainly because they don't know where to stream. [06:46] And the signals themselves are usually of copyrighted material. [06:47] Short clips though. [06:47] But it's OTA [06:47] Either that or local programming. [06:47] True. [06:47] But companies can be picky, though you're more than welcome to try. [06:49] Could someone theoretically create a program that links together footage from a large group of TV DX-ers and creates a mostly complete coverage that people could then stream live [06:50] Like, consistent for each channel [06:50] Probably. [06:50] But it would be a very niche thing. [06:51] why? [06:52] wasn't there a campaign at one point to tell people that they were not allowed to record broadcast TV on their VCRs? [06:52] FalconK: Not that many people payed attention [06:52] or were prosecuted. [06:52] It's one thing to record broadcasts, but another to sell those without permission. [06:53] What about that one person that has the only known copy of the first edition of that one sports thing? [06:53] True, that would be worth something. [06:54] But he's not allowed to sell it [06:55] Is there a TV DX related IRC channel? [06:55] There's a site all about it. www.wtfda.org/ [06:56] And yes, there is an IRC channel. [06:56] "We do IRC chat on Tuesdays and Fridays at 10:00 PM (US Eastern Time, or GMT-5 hours). The network is ICQnet, the channel is #dx, and the server is irc.icq.com port 6668. " [06:57] There's also a forum, but no one has posted there in a long time. [06:58] The irc server doesn't seem to work [06:58] Yeah... [06:58] the page hasn't been updated in a long time. [06:58] And I couldn't find much else. [06:59] It's possible there is one, but really obscure. [07:00] I suspect it is rather hard to recieve DVB via DX [07:01] I can [07:01] scheduled IRC chats? that's a new one [07:01] :p [07:01] I can [07:01] agh [07:01] I can't seem to find out anything about ICQnet [07:02] it used to be AM with subcarriers plus FM audio, but I believe DVB is some kind of QAM [07:02] *** GE has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [07:03] so good for you; however, I feel as though the usable range has gone down [07:03] not that I have watched TV in a while... [07:03] sure is nice to have all that bandwidth free up so people stop trying to carve space out of the amateur service :) [07:04] That's part of the reason why digital TV became a thing. [07:11] divingk: What does VUD stand for? [07:12] Where are you seeing this? [07:12] Oh. [07:12] VUD is short for VHF/UHF DX. [07:13] what's that? [07:13] Basically, getting distant receptions from either VHF or UHF stations. [07:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_frequency [07:13] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_high_frequency [07:14] "The VUD Forum is located in the Members-Only Forum. You need to be registered and a WTFDA member to access this forum. ***The JANUARY 2017 VUD is now available.***" [07:14] What exactly do they mean it's available? [07:15] A listing of stations that can be received via DXing is available. [07:18] Probably only available to forum members. [07:27] *** GE has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:08] *** GE_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:08] *** GE has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [08:09] *** GE_ is now known as GE [08:53] *** Igloo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [08:59] SketchCow: so what happened with the Tape documentary? [09:00] i hope all interviews for that will just be released on to IA so we can see at least some interviews you have done for that [09:24] *** kristian_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [09:45] so i'm fixing a 18 dtic items that had a 302 Found as the title [10:24] *** kristian_ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [10:44] so i got Disney Infinity yesterday [10:44] it was $10 for starter kit [10:45] and $2 per a 'toy' cause there were trying to get rid of them [10:47] Not bad. [11:10] *** divingk has quit IRC (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.93 [Firefox 50.1.0/20161208153507]) [11:31] *** VADemon has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [11:37] *** GE_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:37] *** GE has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [11:37] *** GE_ is now known as GE [12:13] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [12:34] *** sep332 has quit IRC (Quit: konversation out) [13:11] *** Honno has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:13] *** GE has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:17] *** BartoCH has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [13:21] *** BartoCH has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:43] *** yuitimoth has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [13:50] *** BartoCH has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:09] *** BartoCH has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:14] *** BartoCH has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [14:18] *** BartoCH has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:37] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:40] *** pizzaiolo has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [14:42] *** pizzaiolo has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:49] InternetArchiveBot is love: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Free_software&diff=758418025 [14:49] *** Igloo has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:57] *** GE has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:06] *** VADemon has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:08] *** sep332 has joined #archiveteam-bs [15:32] so i'm trying to download a qqdl:// url [15:33] but when i convert it to http i get http://192.168.1.233/weibo//$file type url [17:33] *** Aranje has joined #archiveteam-bs [17:50] *** godane has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [18:04] *** godane has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:16] so got news [18:17] *good news [18:17] i can brute force a grab of eztv.ag [18:18] all i had to do was eztv.ag/ep/$number/a/ with a --content-disposition command to get the urls [18:18] with the /a/ will get you nothing [18:25] *** Ravenloft has joined #archiveteam-bs [18:31] *** Honno has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 370 seconds) [18:45] godane: going to grab it as WARCs too? 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[22:59] *** VeganMar- has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:59] *** VeganMar- is now known as VeganMars [23:01] Jonimus: no, i hate all forum administrators. they all think they are kings, when they are in actuality custodians [23:03] *** BlueMaxim has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [23:03] I made sure you got the tifreakware dump I got a while back correct? [23:04] *** BlueMaxim has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:04] there's some theorem about forum administrators whereby acting like a king is the only way to have a successful forum ;) [23:04] I could likely convince Kerm to get you the UTI DB as well if you didn't get a copy. [23:04] xmc: and me and Tari do try to keep Kerm in check, but you can bet how that goes. [23:04] waiting for the Magna Carta for forum administrators [23:05] Jonimus: i did not receive a copy of the uti database [23:05] *** VeganMars has quit IRC (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in) [23:06] *** VeganMars has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:06] I can see if we can get the archiveteam or similar a copy, I'm not sure what Kerm agreed to when they gave it to him. [23:07] ok [23:07] :) [23:07] still don't like forum owners acting like they own the whole forum [23:08] apparently I eat lunch at 1600h now [23:09] Tell me about it. I have a long running (4 week) grab going right now because the forum admin of a semi-popular creative writing forum decided the best way to "deal" with him going to college was to cut off all support and hosting accounts instead of transferring it to someone. [23:09] 11k users [23:09] seems reasonable [23:09] Well with the current setup I know that if kerm went crazy we could spin up a copy basically instantly, Tari's made it completely declarative. [23:11] Eventually I am going to need to figure out how to set up archivebot instead of manually running multiple grab-site VPSs. [23:11] you're welcome to use the existing capacity [23:12] my servers can handle 40 jobs, let alone all the rest [23:12] (of course we could still use more) [23:12] xmc: anyways, I'll prod kerm again about UTI, its been long enough that be might be more willing to do stuff with it. [23:14] Speaking of, grab-site produces two WARC files, one of the site and one called "meta", do I upload both to ia? [23:14] yes [23:51] *** sep332_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out)