#archiveteam-bs 2017-01-06,Fri

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01:10 🔗 divingk "DNS History has now shutdown, any updates are for my personal requirements only - the site may go up/down as I need the resources it uses. The number of servers dedicated to the DNS History project is now ZERO. Due to the ArchiveTeams self-righteous attitude CloudFlares DDoS protection has been enabled. They are quite open about their attitude of ignoring robots.txt files and work...
01:10 🔗 divingk ...around blocks on their user agent - this as abuse."
01:12 🔗 divingk If he had said something discouraging this,
01:12 🔗 divingk the drama might have been avoided.
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02:30 🔗 FalconK we've had that issue with that site before
02:30 🔗 FalconK lots of sites whine and whine about us
02:30 🔗 FalconK because their operators are assholes
02:31 🔗 FalconK you'll notice that it isn't infrequent for our servers to be added to blacklists
02:31 🔗 FalconK also, a careless grab can be a DoS for smaller sites with low capacity
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02:33 🔗 rocode I just don't understand the thought process. "Okay, I am unassigning resources to this service and deleting all data. Fuck anyone trying to save it."
02:33 🔗 divingk Ah.
02:33 🔗 divingk whirlgirl.com got a big change,
02:33 🔗 divingk and now all the old content is gone.
02:33 🔗 divingk No warnings, nothing.
02:33 🔗 FalconK it happens!
02:33 🔗 divingk It's been replaced with a Tumblr site.
02:33 🔗 FalconK if there's something you care about, !a it proactively
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02:34 🔗 divingk rocode: See also how they managed to erase most of Digital's internet presence.
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02:34 🔗 FalconK since website operators can just blow thing away with no notice whatever
02:36 🔗 rocode I ran a popular (1m unique users per day) blog for a while. Long before I even heard Jason speak I couldn't even think of moving to a new platform without setting up a archive subdomain + redirect. Like, it is so easy to not be an asshole. It costs so little.
02:36 🔗 rocode Literally export to static and throw it on your CDN.
02:37 🔗 rocode pennies a day.
02:37 🔗 FalconK well, you are not an asshole
02:37 🔗 xmc ^
02:37 🔗 FalconK don't ask me to explain why assholes do as they do - I'm not an asshole either :P
02:37 🔗 xmc that is a high bar to clear
02:38 🔗 FalconK somtimes site owners are just like... jfc I can't pay the $20 a month for this hosting anymore because I am poor, so I will stop
02:39 🔗 FalconK but sometimes they just decide to delete mountains of writing and data
02:39 🔗 FalconK for no earthly reason
02:39 🔗 FalconK I suppose these people simply do not understand why this is nasty
02:39 🔗 FalconK or imagine that the data is ephemeral and completely worthless to archive
02:40 🔗 rocode Web Fiction is well known for this, which is why I focus so hard on it. On one hand, like 70% of it is on wordpress.com who (despite having a shitty export function) are amazing and don't mind you hitting their servers hard for grabs, but the others are sometimes hosted on what I swear is a forgotten computer in the back of a university closet somewhere.
02:44 🔗 FalconK yeah
02:51 🔗 Somebody2 rocode: thanks for doing that. I have a backlog of tumblr blogs I want to put in #archivebot; I just haven't done so because I don't want to fill it up with non-urgent stuff.
02:53 🔗 rocode Speaking of, can someone verify I did this correctly? https://archive.org/details/www.fictiongrill.com-2017-01-05 This site hosts 2 of the top 10 web fiction for 2016, and latest post indicates a possible shutdown is imminent.
02:54 🔗 FalconK you may want to move it into the appropriate web collection
02:54 🔗 FalconK other than that it looks right
02:55 🔗 rocode Hrm, doesn't appear to let me edit that. Do I need to delete and reupload?
02:56 🔗 FalconK you should email your favourite IA admin (jscott@archive.org for instance)
02:56 🔗 FalconK I can't edit other people's items
02:56 🔗 FalconK hey arkiver did you know that your KCTV dumps are in collection web by reason of being in archiveteam_videobot?
03:20 🔗 Frogging Somebody2: maybe you could run wpull yourself and send the WARCs to the FTP? is that a thing that is possible here?
03:21 🔗 Frogging I've wanted to do that for something. Haven't taken much time to look at what the obstacles are though.
03:23 🔗 Frogging Wpull on its own can't manipulate ignores mid-grab, AFAICT
03:23 🔗 rocode grab-site does
03:26 🔗 FalconK aaaaargh wpull2 ignores --warc-max-size in nearly all cases and it's unclear why
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04:36 🔗 Somebody2 Frogging: I could, but it wouldn't get in Wayback.
04:38 🔗 Frogging you'd have to ask SketchCow
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04:41 🔗 hook54321 divingk: When did the old content disappear?
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04:43 🔗 hook54321 Asparagir: Would it violate any privacy laws for staff in a school district to talk about students in text messages to other staff? (for stuff actually related to school)
04:44 🔗 FalconK in most contexts disclosure of information to common carriers is not considered :P
04:45 🔗 FalconK unless the requirement is "use encryption", we generally only worry about that for confidential and up
04:46 🔗 divingk hook54321: For which site?
04:46 🔗 divingk If you're talking about WhirlGirl, that disappeared around Aug.-Oct. 2016.
04:47 🔗 Frogging hook54321: apologies if I'm missing some context, but AFAIK it's not illegal to talk about people
04:48 🔗 Frogging I'm not sure where privacy would come into it
04:49 🔗 hook54321 divingk: Have you checked if any of the old content is available through Google Cache, Bing Cache, Yandex Cache, etc.?
04:49 🔗 hook54321 Frogging, Asparagir : FERPA
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04:50 🔗 Frogging oh, I see
04:50 🔗 Frogging now FalconK's comment makes sense
04:50 🔗 * FalconK roars
04:50 🔗 Frogging :p
04:50 🔗 * FalconK shreds wpull
04:51 🔗 * FalconK breathes fire all over it
04:51 🔗 * FalconK growls softly
04:51 🔗 hook54321 FERPA = Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Education records include a range of information about a student that is maintained in schools in any recorded way, such as handwriting, print, computer media, video or audio tape, film, microfilm, and microfiche. Examples are:
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Date and place of birth, parent(s) and/or guardian addresses, and where parents can be contacted in emergencies;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Grades, test scores, courses taken, academic specializations and activities, and official letters regarding a student's status in school;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Special education records;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Disciplinary records;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Medical and health records that the school creates or collects and maintains;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Documentation of attendance, schools attended, courses taken, awards conferred, and degrees earned;
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Personal information such as a student's identification code, social security number,picture, or other information that would make it easy to identify or locate a student.
04:52 🔗 hook54321 Personal notes made by teachers and other school officials that are not shared with others are not considered education records. Additionally, law enforcement records created and maintained by a school or district's law enforcement unit are not education records.
04:54 🔗 divingk hook54321: None of them saved it.
04:55 🔗 Frogging yes, I saw
04:56 🔗 hook54321 divingk: Yandex keeps cached pages for a longer page, but it doesn't cache as many pages and it's more difficult to find, you can't just search for a url. Bing is a little better, but I've had to try a few queries to get a cached page link a few times.
04:56 🔗 hook54321 *longer time
04:56 🔗 Asparagir hook54321: I don't know details, but MuckRock may have examples for you to look at.
04:57 🔗 divingk Just tried all of those.
04:58 🔗 divingk No dice.
05:00 🔗 hook54321 Sometimes on Bing and very very often (almost most of the time) on yandex you'll have to try different queries of text on the page
05:00 🔗 hook54321 Yandex is generally weird
05:00 🔗 hook54321 did you check what pages archive.is has for the site?
05:05 🔗 divingk It does, but its archives are based on archive.org's,
05:05 🔗 divingk which doesn't have any of the episodes.
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05:14 🔗 hook54321 divingk: Episodes? of what?
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05:15 🔗 divingk Whoops.
05:15 🔗 divingk Anyhow...
05:15 🔗 divingk The official Whirlgirl site had two seasons worth of Flash episodes.
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05:16 🔗 divingk The show itself otherwise fell into obscurity hard
05:16 🔗 divingk and no one I know of has copies of it.
05:16 🔗 hook54321 Flash like the superhero?
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05:22 🔗 divingk hook54123: Nope.
05:22 🔗 divingk As in Macromedia Flash,
05:22 🔗 divingk now known as Adobe Flash.
05:22 🔗 divingk Although yes, the show itself was superhero show.
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05:23 🔗 hook54321 Does the wayback machine have flash support?
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05:25 🔗 FalconK if it's a player written in flash that gets the video itself (e.g. to stream it) I doubt archivebot would get it
05:26 🔗 yipdw if the video URL somewhere in the page, you might get lucky
05:27 🔗 yipdw if it's assembled by ActionScript, that's a negative
05:27 🔗 hook54321 I was under the impression that it's a show animated in flash, not a video loader by flash
05:27 🔗 hook54321 *in flash
05:28 🔗 yipdw if that's the case, the pages don't do a lot of Javascript stuff to generate the Flash embed, and the SWF is self-contained, you'll be fine
05:28 🔗 rocode Unfortunately, it is quite possible it used a frontend loader (pun not intended) to load the backend flash.
05:29 🔗 hook54321 The wayback machine won't actually run flash content though, correct?
05:29 🔗 yipdw wayback will serve it fine
05:29 🔗 rocode If it was an actual swf file, it will be served
05:29 🔗 rocode and run by the client browser
05:29 🔗 yipdw whether your browser will display it is a different problem
05:29 🔗 rocode ^
05:29 🔗 hook54321 ah
05:29 🔗 yipdw these days, good luck
05:30 🔗 yipdw flash was struck down
05:30 🔗 yipdw you could call it
05:30 🔗 yipdw by a flash mob
05:30 🔗 FalconK :)
05:30 🔗 yipdw come to think of it it was like
05:30 🔗 yipdw a flash in the pan
05:30 🔗 rocode Thankfully, free libraries like GNASH have a HUGE amount of backwards comparability stuff built in for a lot of the old flash hacks and workarounds.
05:30 🔗 FalconK composed of information security people
05:30 🔗 FalconK I'm quite glad to see flash pass into dust
05:31 🔗 yipdw i'm not quite as glad to see homestar runner pass into dust
05:31 🔗 hook54321 If the website has been around for awhile, chances are the content hasn't always been on the same pages
05:31 🔗 hook54321 Someone should make an HTML5 homestar runner
05:32 🔗 yipdw that's quite a lot of work there
05:32 🔗 rocode There is several FLASH2HTML5 translators in WIP.
05:32 🔗 yipdw I know
05:32 🔗 yipdw that's quite a lot of work there
05:33 🔗 yipdw unless the Brothers Chaps surprise everyone and Adobe Animate CC has awesome fidelity
05:41 🔗 hook54321 divingk: https://web.archive.org/web/19981205185736/http://www.whirlgirl.com/
05:41 🔗 hook54321 "GET NEW EPISODES, GAMES AND MORE AT ONE OF THESE WHIRLING 'MIRROR' SITES..."
05:42 🔗 divingk ...And it's borked.
05:42 🔗 hook54321 ?
05:42 🔗 hook54321 what do you mean?
05:42 🔗 divingk None of the images are archived
05:42 🔗 divingk nor are the mirror sites.
05:43 🔗 divingk It's also not the version I saw earlier last year.
05:44 🔗 divingk https://web.archive.org/web/20070819210651/http://www.whirlgirl.com/home.html
05:44 🔗 divingk Not that it's a particularly good series.
05:46 🔗 hook54321 eh
05:47 🔗 hook54321 Did you check with bibanon? seems like something they might have grabbed
05:49 🔗 divingk Kind of important though, in a historical sense.
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06:28 🔗 divingk hook54321: Never heard of them before.
06:28 🔗 divingk Or rather, the site.
06:39 🔗 godane so i'm grabbing medium.com sitemap dumps again
06:40 🔗 godane i'm just grabbing the raw html cause when i grab with images it takes forever
06:40 🔗 godane it also looks like the older dumps may have only grab .jpeg files
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06:41 🔗 godane anyways 2015-11-15 to 2015-11-17 sitemap dumps are going to be very big cause of the images
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08:03 🔗 godane SketchCow: so why is the tape documentary cancelled?
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10:03 🔗 antonizoo I remember someone posted a $60 6TB WD Mybook drive deal here, but unfortunately I was traveling and it expired. Well, here is the same drive for $100
10:03 🔗 antonizoo http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/248557/WD-My-Book-6TB-External-Hard/?cm_mmc=Affiliates-_-CJ-_-358129-_-11263938
10:04 🔗 antonizoo Also a 4TB for $60 in related links. If you don't like the NAS case you can crack it open for the hard drive
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10:33 🔗 Sait0_san antonizoo: do you know if they make shipments outside United States?
10:35 🔗 antonizoo Unfortunately it doesn't look like it. Also it looks like the 6tb is now sold out
10:36 🔗 antonizoo But you can buy two $70 4tb ones, crack them open and make a raid1
10:36 🔗 antonizoo That's what I will do
10:36 🔗 joepie91 usual warning: some WD drives have the drives soldered directly to the enclosure PCB
10:36 🔗 joepie91 do your research before buying ;)
10:36 🔗 joepie91 (also you may get *any* kind of drive inside, including a WD Green)
10:38 🔗 antonizoo I'm trying to look for a recent teardown of this sort of drive to see
10:39 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: that will probably tell you whether it's shuckable, but not what drive you get
10:39 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: it seems that vendors tend to just put in there whatever is cheapest / in lowest demand at the time
10:39 🔗 joepie91 so you may buy two 'identical' external HDDs from two different batches, and get two entirely different drives
10:39 🔗 joepie91 (internally)
10:40 🔗 antonizoo Well different batches are good for raid in principle at least since the same batch could fail at the same time
10:41 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: you're thinking of HDD batches, I'm talking about enclosure batches :)
10:42 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: if you buy two MyBooks, they may either have 1) the exact same model *and* batch of HDD inside, 2) the same model but a different batch of HDD inside, 3) a different model of HDD inside, 4) an entirely different brand of HDD inside
10:42 🔗 antonizoo In any case I trust hgst and Toshiba the most
10:42 🔗 joepie91 you basically just cannot rely on what kind of HDD you're going to get from a shucked external
10:42 🔗 antonizoo But would you trust used hgst drives over this
10:42 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: this is an impossible question because neither of us can know what kind of HDD will be in the MyBook you buy
10:43 🔗 joepie91 "MyBook" only tells you what enclosure they put it into, and what kind of guarantees they provide
10:43 🔗 joepie91 (which, for the MyBook range, generally translates to "none", that's why it's cheap)
10:43 🔗 joepie91 you buy an external HDD, then the drive inside will be mystery meat
10:43 🔗 joepie91 if that's okay with you, then sure, go ahead and buy it
10:44 🔗 joepie91 but if there are certain kinds of drives you really don't want, then don't
10:44 🔗 antonizoo As long as it isn't Seagate lol
10:44 🔗 joepie91 it may very well be :)
10:44 🔗 joepie91 not _likely_ but possible
10:44 🔗 antonizoo In a wd drive?
10:44 🔗 joepie91 yes
10:45 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: consider that there might be moments where it's cheaper for them to buy overstock Seagate drives, than to put in their own
10:45 🔗 joepie91 at that point, you will probably find a Seagate in there
10:45 🔗 Sait0_san lol
10:45 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: it's similar to how USB thumbdrives are usually produced from flash memory that doesn't _quite_ meet the quality standards for high-end flash-based things
10:46 🔗 joepie91 they're cheap consumer applications where the quality different doesn't really matter
10:46 🔗 joepie91 difference*
10:46 🔗 joepie91 as long as it's Good Enough
10:46 🔗 joepie91 which, from the perspective of the vendor, mostly just means "we're not going to make a loss on these, taking into account RMAs"
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10:47 🔗 antonizoo Alright, I'll take this into account
10:48 🔗 antonizoo In the end even used hgst/Hitachi drives have never failed me
10:50 🔗 joepie91 antonizoo: btw, general word of advice: think about how good of a deal something is to you... and then consider that it's usually a better deal to the company selling it to you ;)
10:51 🔗 antonizoo yup
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16:50 🔗 godane i'm starting to upload East Bay Express issues
16:50 🔗 godane going back to 2009
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17:20 🔗 SketchCow Woo hoo
17:20 🔗 godane hey
17:26 🔗 rocode wtf. This is the dumbest transition plan ever. TIME INC shut down thesnug.com and forwarded it to a similar website without actually importing their old items.
17:31 🔗 yipdw I recall Yahoo! doing something like that
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17:40 🔗 rocode Speaking of Yahoo! like behavior: allromanceebooks.com, a retailer and romance community site, shut down with 4 days notice and is not paying out to authors.
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17:43 🔗 rocode Announced on the 28th, taken down on the 31th. We need a leaderboard or a hall of shame. Holy shit.
17:48 🔗 SketchCow We have that
17:51 🔗 godane i'm uploading 4 Windows The Offical Magazine isos and pdfs
17:52 🔗 godane with scans of disk cover back and front
17:58 🔗 zino \o/
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18:29 🔗 joepie91 Bitcasa went bankrupt
18:29 🔗 joepie91 (rumours of Intel acquiring them were false)
18:29 🔗 joepie91 ref http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/01/06/bitcasa_crashes_out/
18:30 🔗 joepie91 for the full, typical-El-Reg-cynical story
18:31 🔗 rocode Damn, that is a shit story for the customers who didn't get a refund.
18:41 🔗 yipdw they're not lying, they did become part of something bigger
18:41 🔗 SketchCow I'm uploading hundreds of Yugoslavian computer magazines, so that's life
18:41 🔗 yipdw turning into dust in the wind does in fact integrate you with the atmosphere
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19:34 🔗 godane SketchCow: we had some luck with www.newshost.co.za
19:35 🔗 godane i saved 2009 and 2010 nbz and nfo files here: https://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22www.newshost.co.za%22
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21:14 🔗 hook54321 Is there a group policy in windows that could cause issues with insecure websocket connections?
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21:43 🔗 rocode hook54321, HKCU\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main\FeatureControl\FEATURE_WEBSOCKET!iexplore.exe
21:44 🔗 rocode There is a ICA WebSockets Connection policy associated.
21:45 🔗 rocode That would of course be IE only. Firefox/Chrome handle it through their respective config policies.
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21:47 🔗 rocode Asparagir, I can't give over this robots.txt, it truly is a masterpiece for a website licensed under Creative Commons: f1000research.com/robots.txt
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22:18 🔗 hook54321 rocode: That setting doesn't only affect internet explorer, right?
22:19 🔗 rocode hook54321, it should, unless the endpoint is using a policy converter to apply it to other browser policies.
22:19 🔗 rocode (or citrix converter etc)
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