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TobiX |
I wonder if some of that bleeding data made its way into the Wayback Machine... |
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TobiX |
(Or into other Archive Team dumps) |
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joepie91 |
TobiX: unfortunately, likely so |
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MrRadar |
Yay! The guy whose $10k package of PAL SNES games was lost finally received them: https://byuu.org/emulation/preservation/found-package/ |
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Ravenlow |
http://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/1223859 |
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joepie91 |
MrRadar: I guess we gained 100 SNES games, and lost millions of bits of PII |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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xmc |
and a hash function |
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Frogging |
joepie91: centralization amirite |
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Frogging |
I had occasionally thought about how so much of the Web seems to be behind cloud flare and what the implications could be.. |
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xmc |
yes, someone named joepie91 wrote a few essays about that i think |
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Frogging |
oh really? :p I was just recalling some related conversations about cloudflare in here |
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joepie91 |
lol |
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Frogging |
that was more about the so called "browser check" however |
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joepie91 |
one of those essays was an article: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/07/14/cloudflare-we-have-a-problem/ |
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joepie91 |
the others were IRC rants I think |
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joepie91 |
oh, and a few comments in various places |
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Frogging |
Lol the TPB thing, that's hilarious |
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closure |
fun project: check recent archiveteam WARCs for sites behind cloudflare to see if they contain cloudbleed data |
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closure |
I assume WARCs would include all headers etc and so archive it |
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arkiver |
yes |
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arkiver |
damn |
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arkiver |
just read about this... |
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arkiver |
IA has probably archived a lot of private data there |
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closure |
does anyone know if the cloudflare "reverse proxy" that runs on the user's web servers is open source? |
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closure |
CF-Host-Origin-IP: followed by eg, "authorization" or "password" seems to be the header to look for |
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joepie91 |
[03:59] <closure> does anyone know if the cloudflare "reverse proxy" that runs on the user's web servers is open source? |
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joepie91 |
there is no such software |
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joepie91 |
the reverse proxy runs on cloudflare servers |
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joepie91 |
not user's servers |
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joepie91 |
and no, it's not open-source, but it's a modified nginx |
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closure |
huh, I thought cloudflare was using their own protocol between user servers and their servers |
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closure |
seem to remember blog posts by them about it |
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Selavi |
hmm. always been http/s afaik |
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closure |
perhaps it was a in-cloud thing |
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nightpool |
closure: maybe they upgraded to SPDY and posted about it? |
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joepie91 |
closure: you're probably thinking of their origin CA thing |
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joepie91 |
but this doesn't involve custom software |
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joepie91 |
alternatively, mod_cloudflare or whatever it's called, for the IP handling |
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joepie91 |
but no, CF <-> origin comms are always HTTP(S) |
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arkiver |
just read the google report |
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arkiver |
pretty bad |
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joepie91 |
arkiver: s/pretty/very/ |
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joepie91 |
considerably worse than heartbleed |
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arkiver |
extremely* |
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joepie91 |
completely unknown impact |
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arkiver |
yes |
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joepie91 |
possibly the biggest breach in recent history |
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arkiver |
afaik NSA has been at least keeping headers of requests and responses |
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joepie91 |
the NSA is the least of your worries here |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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joepie91 |
worry about the shady people running scrapers |
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arkiver |
lol |
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joepie91 |
blackhat SEO people and such |
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joepie91 |
who have scrape logs going back years |
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arkiver |
yes |
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joepie91 |
and can arbitrarily fish out PII |
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joepie91 |
at least the NSA won't drain your CC :) |
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closure |
seems less worse than heartbleed; doesn't affect my servers for example :) |
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arkiver |
let's have a good look at our WARCs |
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arkiver |
see what's in there |
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joepie91 |
closure: it doesn't matter whether it affects your servers or not |
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arkiver |
not planning on editing though |
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joepie91 |
closure: everybody using the web is affected |
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closure |
"worry about the shady people running scrapers" -- new archiveteam motto |
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arkiver |
haha |
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joepie91 |
closure: any data you've ever sent to cloudflare in any way is potentially leaked |
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joepie91 |
which, given how big cloudflare is and how you don't know whether sites have used CF in the past, basically means |
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joepie91 |
"everything you've ever sent to a website is potentially leaked" |
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arkiver |
ug |
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arkiver |
I'm off to bed |
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arkiver |
:/ |
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arkiver |
dreaming about cloudbleed |
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arkiver |
nightmares |
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arkiver |
good night/day all |
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joepie91 |
heh |
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joepie91 |
night |
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yipdw |
who called it cloudbleed and not Red Rain |
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yipdw |
COME ON |
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Frogging |
How did this go on for months and nobody noticed? |
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Frogging |
(How long was it happening for again?) |
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namespace |
Yeah wow, the archiveteam dumps must have a treasure trove of crap in them. |
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Frogging |
inb4 everything gets darker |
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Frogging |
darked* |
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namespace |
Darked? |
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MrRadar |
I can't even imagine the scale of the effort it would take to scrub all the pages saved in the IA |
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Frogging |
namespace: it means disabling the viewing of an item on IA |
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Frogging |
MrRadar: it would be impossible |
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godane |
so i'm uploading more NPR Talk of the Nation |
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godane |
good news is we have everything from before 2007-12-31 |
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godane |
i just have to grab at least another ~5 and half years more |
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godane |
before its complete |
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godane |
i'm also close to having medium.com urls from 2016-09 |
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godane |
just for scale the 2016-09-26 dump has 17883 urls in it |
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godane |
only 17797 urls were downloading |
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godane |
so they maybe not delete as much as before |
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rocode |
So. Who wants to bring up the awkward fact we probably have passwords, oauth tokens, and secrets in our warc files? I am honestly scared to grep right now. |
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Frogging |
bleh |
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Frogging |
There's nothing to be done |
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pikhq |
It is not as though *only* we would. |
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pikhq |
Practically any crawling operation, or indeed *random people's browser caches*, would have the same. |
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yipdw |
"Change all your passwords" |
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yipdw |
oh yes thanks |
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username1 |
how to grep for them? |
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kevinr |
schbirid: grep for '{"scheme":"http"} CF-Host-Origin-IP' |
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schbirid |
www.cloudflarestagingformobilereddit.com oO :D |
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yipdw |
i've found some ArchiveBot grabs done in February 2017 of https websites fronted by CloudFlare |
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yipdw |
let's grep |
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namespace |
Oh god. |
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arkiver |
going to be interesting |
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arkiver |
no WARCs should be edited though |
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joepie91 |
no point removing the data anyway |
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joepie91 |
you can't un-leak things |
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joepie91 |
:P |
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arkiver |
no |
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arkiver |
but there will be peope who want this stuff removed |
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arkiver |
best that can be done is keep it out during any rewrite on the data when it's served |
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joepie91 |
right |
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closure |
*jesus* at sketchcow's blog post |
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pizzaiolo |
closure: link pls |
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closure |
http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/5139 |
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ae_g_i_s |
yeah, that's some hardcore shit o.O |
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ae_g_i_s |
my (recently deceased for other reasons) dad had a similar story...went to his doctor for a routine exam, casually mentioned that he felt like he had water in his thighs at the end |
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SpaffGarg |
so....do we need to backup textfiles.com? |
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and went to leave, and the doc went "you're not going anywhere, EMTs will be here in two minutes, we're putting you in a hospital right now" |
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christ |
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namespace |
...Wow. |
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Frogging |
That was a great post |
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Also I'd heard that heart attacks can be subtle buggers but having one for a week without knowing it, o.o |
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That's scary |
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pizzaiolo |
I was gonna add this to his wikipedia entry but there's nowhere it could fit right now |
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godane |
so looks like the BadContent Error is telling me to use pdftk to repair the pdf |
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godane |
whats funny is pdftk make its the output.pdf broken in epdfview |
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SketchCow: i'm going to email my problem to info@archive.org and you address |
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godane |
now email sent |
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rocode |
xmc, the issue is not only grabbing svns, but the mix of VCS backends. |
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xmc |
aye |
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rocode |
We would need to scrape the source code link, identify its VCS type, and then pass it off to a worker. |
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xmc |
oh hm, it's bigger than i assumed |
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rocode |
This comes up often enough that we should probably make it generalized so we can apply it to any source hosting site. |
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xmc |
yeah |
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jtn2 |
Useful to know about svnrdump though, I didn't know that |
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jtn2 |
Sounds like if I'm interested in saving this stuff in the absence of archiveteam tools (and lack effort to add them), I should do a bunch of svnrdumps off my own bat? |
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jtn2 |
(gna provide rsync access to svn to project admins, like me) |
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nightpool |
jtn2: does that cover other projects? |
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nightpool |
or just your own? |
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jtn2 |
nightpool: I haven't looked to see if I can see other projects |
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jtn2 |
http://gna.org/svn/?group=freeciv describes the rsync access (near the bottom) |
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jtn2 |
Looks like it's anonymous access, so no need to ask admins |
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rocode |
jtn2, lets start multiple approaches. Our project goals are to back up Gna! source code repos and to make it easier to do so in the future. I will begin looking into creating a simple script to handle VCS discovery and grabbing, you contact the Gna! admins and see what you can do with your rsync assess. |
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jtn2 |
It might be polite to ask / warn them before hitting their servers hard (I'm sure you folks have opinions on that). |
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jtn2 |
Gna admins notionally hang out on #gna on freenode, but often don't seem to be paying attention. (why it's closing I think) |
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jtn2 |
I seem to be finding stuff out. Should I create a page on archiveteam wiki? |
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rocode |
I am in the process of. Channel #git-r-done |
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rocode |
(Larry the Cable Guy would be proud) |
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xmc |
not gnarm? :P |
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jtn2 |
gna.org doesn't do Git... |
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jtn2 <- may be missing the joke |
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rocode |
#gnarm is fine for Gna!, but a generalized system for grabbing source code repos from multiple VCSs is under #git-r-done. ;) |
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jtn2 |
OIC |
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jtn2 |
Thanks! |
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bill-auge |
hello - pizzaiolo: asked me to come in here |
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pizzaiolo |
bill-auge was trying to contact gna webmasters to see if it would be possible to move gna repos to notabug.org |
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pizzaiolo |
some emails worked, some didn't |
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pizzaiolo |
bill-auge: which emails worked? |
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jtn2 |
Gna admins are quite hard to get hold of IME. |
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jtn2 |
(BTW: #gnarm exists. But I'll carry on here for now.) |
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bill-auge |
yea we will see - the ones that seem to get through i only sent about 20 minutes ago |
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jtn2 |
When I asked them "how should I best interact with you about shutdown stuff" (I have a project) one of them said to raise service request tickets (http://gna.org/support/?group=admin) |
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jtn2 |
I haven't tried this, but responses to those have been slow in the hpast. |
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bill-auge |
that was the two mentioned on this page https://gna.org/contact.php |
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jtn2 |
Gna admins notionally hang out on #gna on freenode, but often don't seem to be paying attention. (why it's closing I think) |
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jtn2 |
(zerodeux and beuc IIRC) |
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mkram |
why is #picasso only inhabitated by me? The wiki says it is upcoming, and lists that irc channel... |
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bill-auge |
is this the project by the peeps at inria.fr ? |
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bill-auge |
yea i tried the IRC channel there are no ops |
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jtn2 |
bill-auge: I have a project on Gna, do you too |
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jtn2 |
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mkram |
well i am there... Anyone I should op in that channel, now that i resident it? |
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bill-auge |
no i help out with notabug so i keep all my wares there |
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jtn2 should investigate notabug |
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xmc |
general rule for archiveteam is anyone opped in the main channels might should get op in project channels, also main contributors, people who are not being disruptive, etc |
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jtn2 |
but the future of my project is OT for here... |
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jtn2 |
anyway afk |
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xmc |
but if you're running it, you decide |
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bill-auge |
also mirrors on shithub o/c +gitlab +bitbucket - but i tend to treat notabug as the upstream for most |
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mkram |
I thought I would want to lurk it due to the potentially big size, in order to get information on potential use a read-once valhalla storage. To influence my priorities. |
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schbirid |
http://oldrobot.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.spiegel.de%2Frobots.txt :D |
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