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00:22 🔗 Lord_Nigh Anyone deal with updating wikipedia pages of people who have recently passed? according to communication on alt.folklore.computers https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Godbout perished in the Camp Fire in Oroville CA on thursday morning, 20181108
00:22 🔗 Lord_Nigh but no obituary or even mention in a newspaper has been published yet, afaict
00:24 🔗 twoTBHetz Lord_Nigh, @-bs happens to the best of us
00:25 🔗 Lord_Nigh according to a random lookup site his full name was William Joseph Godbout and he was 79 years old
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00:41 🔗 adinbied arkiver / JAA / HCross , what's the status on getting the Angelfire grab going? I'm pretty sure the scripts are good to go and are on the official AT github. All thats left should be creating a rsync target and setting up and actual Warrior project -- I dont want to divert any resources from critical archiving stuff, but given there isn't really many active Warrior projects, it would be nice to at least have something
00:41 🔗 adinbied for the Warriors
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05:07 🔗 eientei95 Ryz: Found that AddictingGames has the following as a returned header "Content-Security-Policy: frame-ancestors *.shockwave.com *.addictinggames.com *.smosh.com *.break.com *.thegloss.com *.crushable.com *.gurl.com *.teen.com *.mademan.com *.escapistmagazine.com *.blisstree.com *.thegrindstone.com *.mommyish.com"
05:08 🔗 eientei95 Should we be making a list of those sites
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05:09 🔗 Ryz ...what, even more websites?! That's more than I expected from looking at what properties Defy Media has on lookin on their Wikipedia page
05:10 🔗 Ryz Oh, I think it's because Clevver Media
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11:29 🔗 JAA anarcat: Regarding avoiding WARC copies in pywb, I believe you can move the WARCs to the collection directory and then trigger a reindex. I think the command for the latter is 'wb-manager reindex <collection>'. If you want to add WARCs and only index those, there's also something like 'wb-manager index <collection> <files>' where you list those WARCs explicitly.
11:30 🔗 JAA Part of this is documented at https://pywb.readthedocs.io/en/latest/manual/usage.html#using-existing-web-archive-collections . The 'reindex' and 'index' commands don't seem to be mentioned in the docs, but 'wb-manager -h' does list them.
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12:49 🔗 JAA https://gbatemp.net/threads/nintendo-wins-legal-case-over-rom-site-site-owner-ordered-to-pay-12-million-in-damages.523104/
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14:19 🔗 anarcat JAA: the problem is i *can't* move the original files at all... they are readonly in git-annex, in a separate directory
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14:24 🔗 PurpleSym JAA: There *is* a livestream for that conference I mentioned months ago: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkUsw2Lo1ahekgy_xEb11BA/videos
14:25 🔗 JAA anarcat: Symlinks?
14:26 🔗 JAA I don't think pywb will modify the WARCs in any way, but having them read-only would prevent that anyway. :-)
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14:27 🔗 JAA PurpleSym: Nice, thanks! I don't have time to watch it now, but it would be ironic if it wasn't preserved properly.
14:27 🔗 JAA So I'm just going to assume that and look into it when I have time. :-)
14:29 🔗 anarcat JAA: well that's exactly what my patch does :) https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/pull/409
14:32 🔗 JAA anarcat: Nice :-)
14:32 🔗 JAA This copying has annoyed me quite a bit as well, so I'd definitely be interested in such a feature.
14:41 🔗 anarcat JAA: would love to get support in the PR, i expect some pushback...
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14:43 🔗 anarcat the other annoyance when working with grab-site vs pywb is that pywb thinks it's important to regenerate all CDX files, which we already have!
14:43 🔗 anarcat https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/issues/410
14:43 🔗 anarcat and worse, all those files are merged into one, which will be a pretty catastrophic for us
14:44 🔗 anarcat i also had errors when adding a bunch of warc files, but no way to figure out which https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/issues/44#issuecomment-438121777
14:45 🔗 JAA anarcat: You can give it the CDX files, I think. But yeah, it'll merge them since it uses only a single DB to determine whether/when a requested resources was archived.
14:45 🔗 anarcat JAA: well, if you know how, comment on #410, because i couldn't figure it out
14:45 🔗 JAA Unfortunately, there are different CDX formats out there, so conversion may be necessary.
14:45 🔗 anarcat i mean you can convert existing CDX files into their fancy CDXJ format, but that's another thing i think
14:45 🔗 anarcat yes
14:45 🔗 anarcat they are CDXJ
14:46 🔗 anarcat i would hope a CDX/CDXJ conversion is faster than parsing the entire WARC file though
14:46 🔗 JAA Ah yeah, that's what I was thinking of.
14:46 🔗 JAA wb-manager cdx-convert, to be precise.
14:47 🔗 anarcat yes
14:47 🔗 anarcat all it does here is print the very useful "Index files up-to-date, nothing to convert"
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14:47 🔗 JAA Yes, CDX processing should definitely be much faster than WARC parsing, especially considering you need to decompress the latter first in almost all cases.
14:47 🔗 anarcat i found error reporting, in general, quite lacking in pywb
14:47 🔗 anarcat yep
14:48 🔗 anarcat hopefully it streams the damn thing and doesn't write it to disk
14:48 🔗 anarcat but at this point nothing will surprise me
14:48 🔗 anarcat i tried to see how i could implement the CDX import, just like the symlink stuff
14:48 🔗 JAA What do you mean exactly re: streaming?
14:48 🔗 anarcat but then i only found this opaque thing self._index_merge_warcs(full_paths, self.DEF_INDEX_FILE)
14:49 🔗 anarcat JAA: i mean "gunzip -c foo.gz | dostuff" vs "gunzip foo.gz ; dostuff foo"
14:49 🔗 anarcat former is streaming, latter is stupid
14:50 🔗 JAA Ah
14:51 🔗 JAA I think it should be equivalent to the former, yeah.
14:51 🔗 anarcat hopefully
14:51 🔗 anarcat it certainly feels so anyways
14:52 🔗 JAA pywb uses warcio, and warcio does that.
14:55 🔗 anarcat cool
14:55 🔗 anarcat https://github.com/webrecorder/pywb/issues/411
15:01 🔗 JAA Added a comment to your PR.
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15:27 🔗 anarcat thanks!
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15:44 🔗 twoTBHetz Has somebody thrown my latest list of domains in to the warrior already?
15:46 🔗 twoTBHetz (latest is https://transfer.sh/8dt4d/better.txt from 2018-11-11 9:23)
15:47 🔗 twoTBHetz JAA were there problems with the documenation?
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16:01 🔗 JAA twoTBHetz: Oh, right. Sorry, didn't have time yet to look into it.
16:01 🔗 twoTBHetz ok i am AFK for a few minutes but it would be great if my effort would not be in vain :)
16:02 🔗 JAA Although this would probably be perfect for the warrior (lots of small sites), I'm not sure if we'll go that route.
16:03 🔗 JAA arkiver: Would a "small-sites"-like generic warrior project make sense? One where the item value is a URL and the worker would just recursively retrieve that URL (without offsite links)?
16:04 🔗 JAA That could be useful for things like Hostinger (above, "only" 20k sites), Angelfire, Tripod, or even GeoCities.
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16:04 🔗 JAA Item 'url:https://example.org/~arkiver/' would grab your site, 'url:https://example.org/~jaa/' mine, etc.
16:06 🔗 JAA That would obviously only be suitable for things like free webhosters since those sites typically have very strict size limits and can therefore be archived like this. But there are quite a few of those free webhosters still around, and a generic project might make sense.
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16:42 🔗 twoTBHetz JAA and?
17:42 🔗 adinbied JAA, would the angelfire scripts I wrote work for that? Also, what's the status on getting the Angelfire project going?
17:47 🔗 JAA Depends on whether arkiver has time for it, I guess. I have too much other stuff going on at the moment to look into the warrior.
17:48 🔗 adinbied Alright, got it. No worries!
17:49 🔗 JAA And yeah, your scripts might be a good basis for that, although they would obviously need to be generalised a bit more.
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18:53 🔗 JAA twoTBHetz (if you read the logs): I've started an ArchiveBot job based on your list. We'll see how much that gets.
19:10 🔗 Sanqui moufu: sorry about the really exotic issues
19:13 🔗 moufu they don't really seem that exotic, it just means pullcord hasn't been tested well enough
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22:20 🔗 JAA twoTBHetz: In case you didn't see it in the logs, I've started an ArchiveBot job based on your list earlier. It's almost through the list and will start recursing then.
22:20 🔗 twoTBHetz i read the logs but did come that far
22:23 🔗 JAA The job itself could go much faster. But probably Hostinger won't like that.
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22:24 🔗 twoTBHetz i did a lot to cut the job down.
22:24 🔗 twoTBHetz maybe more that it was worth
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22:48 🔗 twoTBHetz JAA was my documenation readable?
22:52 🔗 kiska twoTBHetz: Where was your documentation again?
22:55 🔗 twoTBHetz https://transfer.sh/13ZRQa/Documentation.hostinger.txt kiska
22:55 🔗 kiska Thanks
22:58 🔗 twoTBHetz you might want that https://honeypot.xn--schg-noa.de/workspace1.zip as well
22:58 🔗 kiska I'll go through it after my exam today
22:58 🔗 twoTBHetz so i will check back then :)
22:58 🔗 kiska Check back in 12 hrs, since my exam is in 6 hrs and goes for 4 hrs
23:00 🔗 twoTBHetz works for me
23:00 🔗 twoTBHetz go to bed then :)
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