#archiveteam-bs 2019-05-14,Tue

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01:43 πŸ”— JAA Ok, this one is going to be tricky: http://www.seniorcitizens.9f.com/
01:44 πŸ”— JAA 9f.com used to be operated by bizhosting.com, but it seems that they no longer support that domain. The nameservers are dead.
01:45 πŸ”— JAA But their web servers still serve the site alright if you send the appropriate Host header: curl -H 'Host: www.seniorcitizens.9f.com' http://64.136.20.35/
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01:46 πŸ”— JAA Of course that can be done without a problem, but how to do it properly so there is no illusion that the 9f.com domain still exists?
01:46 πŸ”— JAA SketchCow: ^ Any advice for situations like this?
01:47 πŸ”— JAA Not the first time this comes up of course (expired or banned domains etc.), but I don't think we ever came up with a good solution.
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01:52 πŸ”— Fusl JAA: grab-site, upload into IA and then just stick around with it until nobody cares anymore
01:53 πŸ”— SketchCow Yeah
01:54 πŸ”— SketchCow Can you put metadata in it to indicate as such?
01:54 πŸ”— SketchCow Even a .txt.
01:55 πŸ”— JAA Yeah, or item description.
01:55 πŸ”— JAA Alright, I'll go with that then.
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02:13 πŸ”— SketchCow One of you mailed me with a request to move Fusl's stuff to a archiveteam_fire since grab-site's a different hing
02:13 πŸ”— SketchCow Unless that breaks someone's booty, I'm fine with that
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02:14 πŸ”— Fusl yup, JAA did reach out to you and im fine with that
02:15 πŸ”— SketchCow I'm to take it relatively easy over the next week or two, post operation.
02:15 πŸ”— SketchCow Then I go to the Netherlands
02:15 πŸ”— SketchCow So I'm now stepping through things
02:16 πŸ”— SketchCow My big push this week is the sorting hat, which is now a terror on the archive's shitpiles
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02:18 πŸ”— JAA I don't think anyone even noticed that those items are in there.
02:18 πŸ”— JAA Also, relax and get well soon!
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02:20 πŸ”— Sokar Does anyone have the ability to search the justin.tv video archives by channel name? - the one video ID I do have doesn't show up in the search that's avaliable (Looking for db_high channel's old videos, I'm desertbus's archivist)
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02:49 πŸ”— JAA "Your upload of www.seniorcitizens.9f.com_20190514 ... appears to be spam." Oof.
02:59 πŸ”— marked JAA: propose that the next warc spec add a field to indicate a DNS override
03:00 πŸ”— JAA marked: I don't have the patience to argue about this for half a year until it maybe gets included in the spec draft.
03:01 πŸ”— JAA But I did include a header field in the WARC explaining the situation. The WARC spec already allows you to add any headers as necessary.
03:01 πŸ”— JAA (I went with: "Host-Note: 9f.com nameservers are down, but bizhosting.com's web servers still serve the sites; hard-resolved www.seniorcitizens.9f.com and seniorcitizens.9f.com to 64.136.20.37")
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03:04 πŸ”— marked maybe those future drafters will want to capture what's being done in practice. the need is at least clear already
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06:15 πŸ”— astrid JAA: that's a decent solution imo
06:15 πŸ”— astrid not very machinable but in the absence of a consensus ...
06:15 πŸ”— astrid idk
06:15 πŸ”— astrid dns override has been a sticking point for us since forever
06:22 πŸ”— JAA There could be a header for lines in the hosts file format. But that would only work for the simple cases. It breaks down already when you resolve all subdomains to a given IP, for example, since there is no such thing as "127.0.0.1 *.example.net" in hosts files.
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14:32 πŸ”— jut JAA: I would say cover everything, split the EU election into 28 local election pages and one page foe the EU wide parties
14:36 πŸ”— JAA jut: Seems reasonable. We might want to grab the national party websites as well since there'll be a lot of campaigning on there, but that's easy to integrate.
14:38 πŸ”— JAA So we'd have the following pages:
14:38 πŸ”— JAA - ArchiveBot/2019 European Union parliamentary elections -- Overview linking to everything else
14:38 πŸ”— JAA - ArchiveBot/European Union political parties -- List of all parties on the EU level
14:38 πŸ”— JAA - ArchiveBot/2019 European Union parliamentary elections/Germany -- Anything local relating to the elections
14:38 πŸ”— JAA And ArchiveBot/German political parties can be added to the third one if we get that far.
14:38 πŸ”— JAA s/added to/linked from/
14:39 πŸ”— JAA Not sure if "European Union political parties" is correct. Is there an adjective for the EU?
14:40 πŸ”— jut Pan-European
14:40 πŸ”— eythian JAA: it sounds as correct as you're likely to get to me
14:40 πŸ”— JAA jut: That's not only EU.
14:41 πŸ”— eythian otherwise you'd have European Unionian, which is a bit ridiculous :)
14:41 πŸ”— JAA Yeah
14:42 πŸ”— JAA Wikipedia lists just "European", meh.
14:43 πŸ”— jut In Lithuania we have a thing called "visuomeniniai rinkimu komitetai", basically temporary parties formed just for a single election where shall I put them? (5 of them are running in this election)
14:44 πŸ”— astrid i've heard that sort of thing called a "coalition" in english
14:44 πŸ”— JAA I'd put those on ArchiveBot/2019 European Union parliamentary elections/Lithuania. Archivebot/Lithuanian political parties is for permanent parties I'd say.
14:44 πŸ”— eythian JAA: normally I'd just go for "EU political parties", except for titles. It's short enough and correct enough.
14:44 πŸ”— eythian astrid: are they formed for the election, or post-election?
14:45 πŸ”— eythian if post election, then they work together (in theory) for the term, definitely coalition.
14:45 πŸ”— astrid coalitions are when a couple of existing small political parties team up to win an election
14:45 πŸ”— eythian astrid: that could be the same, in the places where I know how it works the reverse happens: they team up after the election.
14:45 πŸ”— * astrid nod
14:45 πŸ”— eythian but, it's probably a close enough or completely correct term.
14:46 πŸ”— astrid coalitions can also form in parliament if three small parties don't have enough votes to do anything unless they cooperate
14:46 πŸ”— astrid and they tend to be short lived
14:47 πŸ”— jut The thing I am describing is a thing formed prior to an election basically a very small party the English translation is:
14:47 πŸ”— jut Public Election Committees
14:48 πŸ”— astrid hm interesting
14:48 πŸ”— eythian I think that's mostly a meaningless phrase in english :)
14:48 πŸ”— eythian i.e. without context
14:48 πŸ”— astrid no i've heard of election committees
14:49 πŸ”— astrid in my experience they tend to be ... yeah, a couple of candidates who share offices
14:49 πŸ”— astrid i guess that's a tiny party
14:49 πŸ”— eythian according to wikipedia, it's a thing in Hong Kong.
14:49 πŸ”— * astrid -> afk
14:50 πŸ”— eythian I think "temporary coalition" might work. But I'm just bikeshedding now and should do some work instead.
14:50 πŸ”— JAA I came across structures like this yesterday while looking into the Philippine elections. They're called "party lists" there.
14:50 πŸ”— eythian oh that rings a bell
14:50 πŸ”— eythian oh, because it's a different thing in the place I vote :)
14:51 πŸ”— eythian (it's the ordered list of members from a party who will become MPs by default if they form government, as opposed to those who become MPs because they're voted in as local representatives.)
14:51 πŸ”— eythian IIRC
14:52 πŸ”— eythian but, maybe different things with the same name in different places.
14:52 πŸ”— jut There are currently 87 Public Election Committees registered with 5991 members an average of just 68 members
14:53 πŸ”— jut per commitee
14:53 πŸ”— JAA Many of them will probably be difficult to find or don't really have a large online presence anyway.
14:54 πŸ”— * eythian wonders if "temporary coalition" is a good term for it.
14:54 πŸ”— * eythian goes back to real work though
14:55 πŸ”— jut It realy depends, the 5 of them that are running in the ES election should have a reasonable presence
14:55 πŸ”— jut *EU
14:55 πŸ”— eythian true
14:57 πŸ”— JAA By the way, I'd use the local term on the ArchiveBot/2019 European Union parliamentary elections/Country page plus perhaps an English translation.
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15:02 πŸ”— kiska btw if you guys slam the transfer instance, I am pretty sure it will be quite unstable since aws seems to have provisioned that vm on their most loaded node. So Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
15:03 πŸ”— JAA kiska: We'll make good use of it. :-P
15:03 πŸ”— JAA Oh, another wording question: "EU parliamentary elections" or "... election"?
15:03 πŸ”— kiska Yep, just keep an eye on grafana
15:04 πŸ”— kiska Also its one election right? Or multiple?
15:04 πŸ”— JAA I like how the Wikipedia page is "2019 European Parliament election" and the text begins with "The next elections to the European Parliament are ...".
15:04 πŸ”— kiska 404: Consistency not found
15:05 πŸ”— JAA Well, I think you could see it as either one giant election or an individual election in each country, I guess.
15:06 πŸ”— JAA Or you could say that a person being elected to the parliament is "an election", in which case it would be plural already in each country.
15:06 πŸ”— JAA Β―\_(ツ)_/Β―
15:12 πŸ”— jut I guess the answer depends on your political opinions
15:15 πŸ”— jut For the love of god what the fuck is happening? Why the hell is there a public commitee for Rolandas Paksas, he has a party, Tvarka ir teisingumas.
15:16 πŸ”— jut They are debating against each other, how, why, did I blink?
15:17 πŸ”— jut Oh he left the party 9 months ago, just like he left the presidency youtube.com/watch?v=6zXDo4dL7SU
15:20 πŸ”— JAA What are the correct adjectives for Cyprus, Czech Republic, Luxembourg, and the UK? Cypriot, Czech (Republican?), Luxembourgian, not the slightest idea?
15:21 πŸ”— JAA As in "German political parties"
15:21 πŸ”— jut Cypriot, Czech are correct
15:22 πŸ”— JAA There's an impressive number of ways how you can get the UK one wrong. lol
15:23 πŸ”— jut So i will find the VRK online presence and also the online presence of the leader since they are mostly one and the same
15:24 πŸ”— jut *VRK visuomeniniai rinkimu komitetai
15:24 πŸ”— JAA I'm beginning to think we should've named those pages "Political parties from Germany" etc. instead. That would've been much easier.
15:25 πŸ”— JAA Looks like it's Luxembourgish.
15:26 πŸ”— jut I never thought that grammar would be a problem :)
15:26 πŸ”— JAA :-P
15:32 πŸ”— Fusl_ JAA: is that grabsite job done already or have you killed it?
15:32 πŸ”— JAA By the way, please keep the country pages organised similarly to the party pages, i.e. one section for each party plus subsections if the list is too long (many subdomains, social media accounts, whatever).
15:32 πŸ”— JAA Fusl_: Looks like it's done. :-)
15:33 πŸ”— Fusl_ that didnt grab very much then i guess
15:33 πŸ”— JAA It's not a big site, just an annoying one that banned AB after a few dozen requests.
15:33 πŸ”— JAA No matter what delay settings, UA, etc.
15:34 πŸ”— JAA 3k responses, 92 MiB
15:50 πŸ”— jut <!-- bot:Vytautas RadΕΎvilas: susigrΔ…ΕΎinkime valstybΔ™! --><!-- /bot -->
15:51 πŸ”— jut Does that ! need to be escaped?
15:51 πŸ”— JAA Nope
15:51 πŸ”— JAA As long as the section name doesn't contain " --><!-- /bot -->", it's all fine.
15:52 πŸ”— JAA No actually, just " -->".
15:56 πŸ”— jut https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=ArchiveBot/2019_European_Union_parliamentary_elections/Lithuania
15:56 πŸ”— jut is this page ok?
15:57 πŸ”— JAA Yep, looks good, apart from maybe the [[Category:English]]; is there really primarily English content on those sites?
15:57 πŸ”— jut Oh, no
15:59 πŸ”— jut Okay I will redo the Lithuanian political parties and do the Latvian parties
16:28 πŸ”— jut https://lsddp.org/portfolios/youtube-video/ :)
16:29 πŸ”— jut Yeah our parties haven't figured this internet thing out yet
16:37 πŸ”— JAA :-)
16:55 πŸ”— jut Latvian have a party whose name is literally "The state belongs to who?"
16:56 πŸ”— jut *Latvians
17:01 πŸ”— JAA Surely there is someone somewhere whose election slogan is "I am the senate".
17:03 πŸ”— jut Well our candidate whose slogan was "Lithuania is here" was beaten by a candidate from the Polish Russian alliance take from that what you will
17:07 πŸ”— jut Do you often come across some interesting/crazy shit when doing this?
17:08 πŸ”— JAA Well, the elections I've been covering so far were all in languages I don't even remotely understand, so that never really came up.
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17:10 πŸ”— jut Yeah be glad, looking at Lithuanian politics has been interestingβ„’
17:10 πŸ”— jut Latvians also have some crazy stuff
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17:11 πŸ”— jut JAA: What languages do you speak/read?
17:14 πŸ”— JAA jut: German and English. I understand a decent amount of French and can usually decipher enough of other close Latin languages (i.e. Italian, Spanish) to more or less understand what it's about.
17:15 πŸ”— JAA You?
17:16 πŸ”— jut Lithuanian, English, can read and understand Russian, and with effort some Latvian
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