[00:18] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [00:25] *** Zerote_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [00:26] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [01:34] *** Stilettoo is now known as Stiletto [01:57] *** systwi has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [01:58] *** systwi has joined #archiveteam-bs [02:33] ivan : so i found out sites like this exist : https://ゲーム攻略本.xyz/ [02:33] with japanese charactors in url [02:38] Yeah they are a fucking pain you know there are shit with emojis now as well? [02:39] emojis i could sort of see cause stuff like :) [02:39] its a : and ) [02:39] No I mean emojis straight up fucking emojis [02:40] https://xn--vi8hl0c.ws/ [02:40] its unicode at its core but seriously annoying [02:42] https://😻🍕.ws/😔😔😔 [02:42] whats worse about that site is all the files are on raptorgator and its premium only [02:43] find a website that can bypass raptorgator and novafire and i can giving guys tons of stuff [02:43] just like [02:43] Hold on I came prepared for such an occasion [02:43] buy premium? [02:44] Half of those sites are a scam [02:44] Its a gamble to if they actually have the file [02:44] Yeah [02:44] that's why I only trust free filesharing sites [02:44] like Openload [02:45] they have sketchy ads but you don't have to pay so like [02:45] waaaay better [02:46] a part of me thinks some are just bad scans [02:46] godane Send me some examples for each sketchy file host that you cant pay for I have a card that may be able to help [03:04] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:18] *** qw3rty119 has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:20] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:24] *** qw3rty118 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [03:43] *** odemgi_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [03:44] *** odemgi has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [04:28] I'm going to yank the berries site out of archivebot unless someone has a compelling reason [04:31] Can we have it darked instead SketchCow? [04:31] The data saved but not accessible? [04:32] Give me a compelling reason [04:33] If you wave me my own archive team flag in my face, that's a bad move [04:33] Please do remove it [04:34] Because the preservation of all data is important no matter how insignificant it may seem now. However after reading through that thread I can say that having it darked and inaccessible is the best option that fits both with archiveteam mottos and by the time it is undarked the people who typed it will assumedly have passed. All the same If you don [04:34] t agree with me you are the boss and it is up to you in the end [04:34] *** icedice has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:34] id normally agree [04:34] but [04:34] I dont intend to be disrespectful and I certainly hope that wasnt waving the flag in your face like you said [04:35] ealgase: I am kind of hoping you will shut up [04:35] (ok then, lol) [04:35] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:35] (nevermind) [04:36] I see both sides personally i think it should be darked but in the end I can see why you would want it deleted and would respect that if that is the decision you make [04:37] *** icedice has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:38] Do as you see fit SketchCow [04:38] Oh, thanks for the permission [04:38] Whew [04:38] I have been hanging out in Amsterdam for two days, and I am now walking into this [04:38] You dont need my permission apologies if it sounded that way. I mean no disrespect and will humbly keep my cakehole shut [04:39] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:40] It looks like the solution that ealgase took, when a community had concerns, was to go flying in there and just fucking lay it on how "we" worked and they didn't even understand who "we" are and now we have dozens of people furious at archive team for no reason. [04:40] *** icedice has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [04:40] SketchCow, re: twitter: *are* you preserving the SAF somehow? [04:40] SAF? [04:40] SA Forums [04:40] I believe we've done some runs over the years. [04:40] because, like, god, if ther ehas ever been something on deathwatch, it's frickin' Lowtax. [04:41] ealgase: How the fuck long have you been in #archiveteam [04:41] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:41] *** icedice has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [04:41] not that long... i didnt mean to represent the community and ill admit i totally fucked up here [04:42] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:42] You did [04:42] you're out [04:42] I'm going to be cleaning this for a week [04:42] *** SketchCow sets mode: +b *!*ealgase@*.hsd1.mi.comcast.net [04:42] *** ealgase was kicked by SketchCow (ealgase) [04:42] Jesus waffles christ [04:49] *** astrid has joined #archiveteam-bs [04:49] *** Fusl sets mode: +o astrid [04:50] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:02] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:06] *** wp494_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:09] I've only seen bits and pieces of this debacle but: [05:09] >people: posts stuff to public services [05:09] >other people: oh that looks neat, control+S/wpull [05:09] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [05:10] >people: surprisedpikachu.jpg [05:10] *** foldedcas has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:11] *** wp494_ is now known as wp494 [05:12] but if it's a mess that needs cleaning up for whatever reason then w/e [05:12] free shrugs on my part [05:15] IMO whatever happened to the whole "if you don't want it saved don't post it to begin with" philosophy we were teaching kids in school about the Dangers of the World Wide Web And Why It's A Horrible Thing [05:16] at first 4chan boards were like "ew" to the concept of archiving all the crap they did and then lots of years later they were like "yeah well ok it's here to stay i guess" [05:17] that's just my 2c [05:17] i've been beating the drum for years of "we archive PUBLISHED material, not PUBLIC material" but apparently very few people agree with me [05:19] people still retain the rights to their shit anyway even if the "custodians" change hands, if they want to revoke their license, just DMCA it and move on [05:22] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:28] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [05:36] *** ColdIce has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) [05:37] *** ColdIce has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:41] *** yipdw has joined #archiveteam-bs [05:44] *** foldedcas is now known as cascode [06:05] I had a lovely dinner last night with Arkiver and his family [06:05] oh nice! [06:06] awesome [06:08] Yeah, told his dad and mom all sorts of cool things and looks like Arkiver is visiting the US this year [06:09] sweet [06:14] neat.jpg [06:14] on an unrelated note: "Making something public is not the same as consenting to having it stored for all eternity" [06:14] * wp494 facedesks [06:14] i've been saying that in here for years [06:15] * astrid points to the drum circle [06:20] *** Zerote_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:21] I'm going to get prose.zone blocked out [06:22] When we have time, I'll chat with folks about that mastodon list [06:22] But I think those are the two main "Your private diary, but in public" ones [06:23] the author of pleroma pointed out that this also applies to google+, which, I think, is fair. The lines between "public private data" and "public published data" is extremly blurry. What's the best way to avoid something like this in the future? [06:23] Different [06:24] Pleroma better take the warning and gin up the tech [06:31] >berries had A LOT of minors who didn’t give any kind of consent to have their posts archived. [06:31] Holy fuck they're whining about knowingly shitting on COPPA [06:31] even the root mastodon.social has this silver nugget buried in their TOS: "If this server is in the USA: Our site, products and services are all directed to people who are at least 13 years old. If you are under the age of 13, per the requirements of COPPA (Children's Online Privacy Protection Act) do not use this site." [06:32] which becomes golden in the EU because GDPR where that 13 becomes a whopping 16 [06:32] * wp494 facedesks x1000 [06:32] Maybe calm down [06:34] Are we caving on this one because of the angry mob in our garden or because someone forgot the internet was a public space? [06:36] I think it is the mob [06:37] Yeah, that's me. Afraid of mobs [06:37] Super fear [06:37] wow, I didn't think someone would drag out The Mob this quickly [06:37] +1 for speed [06:37] 1 vs. 100 [06:37] yes, I know what a mob is [06:38] He's in Chicago [06:38] yeah [06:38] don't tell me what a mob is [06:38] I am the mob [06:38] If he doesn't know what a mob is, HE WILL [06:38] Anyway, I sense some amount of confusion on the part of you fucksticks [06:38] mob is like cops, but they collect their own taxes [06:38] There's two ways to look at a mob [06:39] "A group is asking for an unfair or unpleasant thing and they're trying to overwhelm with sheer numbers" [06:39] or [06:39] "This large and growing set of people are indicating something's fucked, and maybe that's an indication that deep down, something is fucked" [06:40] Archive team is a nuclear powered laser with a line into the wayback machine, the #1 go-to for web history searching [06:41] We can take something that died 20 seconds ago and have it in wayback in 10 minutes. [06:41] It is obvious that mastodon instances are their own thing, and that they are a new thing [06:41] and they do things (like federation) that aren't as simple as "be a site" [06:42] Now, one of you "an heros" are free to go off and archive instances and have a great time [06:42] But until a little more time is thought through, it's not going to be Ateam infrastructure vacuuming things up [06:42] Is that clear? [06:42] Does that make sense? [06:44] *** godane1 has joined #archiveteam-bs [06:47] *** godane has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [06:49] Agreed [06:57] P.S. If you DO decide to leaf off into a more radicalized faction of archive team, be sure to have a snappy name [06:57] Like WARCfist [06:57] Instead of, like, "The People's Front of Web Archiving and Perpetual Drive Space" [06:59] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [07:05] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) [07:52] No more hiding behind the group factor, eh? I tend to hope that when I run into a conflict of interest, somebody else archives the thing for me lol [07:53] *** Zerote_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 600 seconds) [07:59] *** Zerote_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:00] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [08:06] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 265 seconds) [09:38] *** Fionera has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [10:18] My specific issue with thid kid was going to a mastodon instance and solo slamming our ideas and throwing out ideas as a representative [10:18] I ask people to come here. [10:18] you are all still dicks but then we are all sharing the discussion [10:18] by the time he was done, some people thought he was an IA employee [11:11] *** Fionera has joined #archiveteam-bs [11:12] yeah but I literally don't know what more can we do to stop people from conflating IA and AT [11:14] ealgase certainly could've done more to avoid that, and also to clarify that their posts are just their personal opinion, not AT's. [11:15] And I agree, the communication part is absolutely the worst part of this whole story. [11:48] mastodon was a mess. I'm fine with taking the L on this round. [11:54] somewhere, ealgase feels wronged [12:00] Good intentions, Bad deployment [12:07] Fusl: ATrescue was nothing in comparison to this. [12:10] ^ [12:33] *** Odd0002_ has joined #archiveteam-bs [12:40] *** Odd0002 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 615 seconds) [12:40] *** Odd0002_ is now known as Odd0002 [13:05] *** BlueMax has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [13:15] *** icedice has quit IRC (Leaving) [13:17] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [13:26] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:28] *** PurpleSym has quit IRC (Quit: *) [14:30] *** PurpleSym has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:30] *** Fusl sets mode: +o PurpleSym [14:30] *** svchfoo3 has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:30] *** Fusl sets mode: +o svchfoo3 [14:39] *** Sokar has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [14:45] what was ATrescue? [14:48] *** Dj-Wawa has joined #archiveteam-bs [14:51] *** Zerote_ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [15:34] SketchCow: ah, guess I missed you in ams. I ended up very busy. On the other hand, I think I'm now going to go bike through the car tunnel under the IJ while I still can. 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[20:36] Hi! :) [20:36] Ok, So ask away [20:36] Started running the warrior a few days ago and thought I could help a bit out, as I have some space/ressources to spare on my server [20:37] Just to be sure - how heavy is the Archivebot on the server? I.e. in terms of bandwidth/CPU? [20:37] Ok, So the warrior and archivebot are very different. The warrior if it goes down isn't such a problem, but archivebot pipelines tend to need to stay online [20:37] yep [20:38] Yeah, this is generally always online - unless it crashes for some reason [20:38] And we generally don't give out permission to connect in a new pipeline to new people (no offence), as it is a nightmare when things go down. [20:38] I completely understand! :) [20:38] I know we are bringing back NewsBuddy [20:38] Which is like ArchiveBot, But for news [20:39] That will need resources when it's back up and running - That would be an ideal place to lend resources [20:39] As it's less picky about being online as it's warrior based [20:39] Bajoodle: Additionally, users who want to contribute to running an ArchiveBot pipeline are generally required to stay on the IRC channels or the wiki for a while. It's part of commitment. Things would slow down if a user were to not be committed. [20:40] Actually, a lot of improvements can still be made with the ArchiveBot and Warrior codebases. [20:40] unfortunately it can take half a year to shut down an archivebot pipeline cleanly, so we can't just let anyone run it [20:40] Igloo & t3 - I understand! Just wanted to check if I was able to help with something other than the warrior as this 1gbps/xTB is rarely utilised completely anyway [20:41] * astrid nods quietly [20:41] the struggle is real [20:41] might as well put it to some use somewhere :) [20:41] *** katocala has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:41] Bajoodle: Sure thing. That's totally fine. We all want to contribute in some way. I'm glad you asked. [20:42] *** katocala has left [20:42] Stick around, (probably grab a proper irc client / use irssi on your server) [20:42] We can *always* use resources. [20:42] We're just overly protective of the archivebot [20:43] Additionally, its very beneficial to help work on the code for the projects. There are always more projects that can be started sooner rather than later. [20:43] A lot of code stuff, in general. [20:43] Newsbuddy is on my list [20:43] I've got most of it ready to relaunch [20:43] That'll consume whatever we can throw at it [20:44] Nice. [20:44] Just another 24 hours in a day would be beneficial :) [20:44] Bajoodle: You can also take a stab at the repositories here: https://github.com/ArchiveTeam [20:45] t3: Thanks! I'll have a look [20:45] Bajoodle: The important ones are https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/wpull and https://github.com/ArchiveTeam/ArchiveBot. [20:47] Bajoodle: There's a need to make wpull faster and more efficient. That will speed up everything. [20:47] *** icedice has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:57] *** dxrt has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [20:57] *** dxrt has joined #archiveteam-bs [20:57] *** Bajoodle has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) [20:57] *** svchfoo3 sets mode: +o dxrt [20:57] *** svchfoo1 sets mode: +o dxrt [21:30] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [21:38] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 492 seconds) [21:55] Igloo: my server is still about for that, let me know when you're ready :) [22:05] *** Stilettoo has joined #archiveteam-bs [22:06] *** Stiletto has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) [23:07] *** wp494 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) [23:08] *** wp494 has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:31] *** enowaldo has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:35] *** enowaldo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [23:36] driving home [23:45] *** BlueMax has joined #archiveteam-bs [23:47] *** Dj-Wawa has quit IRC (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) [23:58] Don’t text and drive [23:58] - sent from my Motorbike