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20:17 🔗 alexs_ question about the Yahoo! video archive
20:17 🔗 alexs_ I can't find users 55000-60000 on the archive.org dump
20:18 🔗 alexs_ where could I go to find that data
20:19 🔗 alexs_ Also, for a user I could find, I couldn't seem to all their videos in the dump
20:21 🔗 alexs_ *to find all their videos
20:23 🔗 Raccoon I wish I had been archiving all the youtube videos of store surveillance cameras and police dash/lapel videos of armed criminals being shot, or unarmed clerks being shot. The SJWs have been convicing YouTube to remove them as they were a strong convincing pro-gun argument for law abiding citizens and employees.
20:24 🔗 Raccoon had like 60 of them bookmarked and now they're gone :'(
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20:59 🔗 astrid i'm unaware of such a campaign
21:01 🔗 Raccoon maybe Alphabet isn't entirely transparent about its censorship policies
21:02 🔗 Raccoon would be great if every video they took down, included a detailed postmortem describing exactly the decision to remove it.
21:02 🔗 astrid wouldn't it
21:03 🔗 astrid but it's just some dude at a desk getting paid $3/hour to watch gore and poking a kill/keep button
21:03 🔗 Raccoon Google created that nonprofit entity to detail all DMCA takedowns of google search results
21:03 🔗 alexs_ ok I logged off
21:03 🔗 Raccoon but don't feel so generous in exposing their own internal policies
21:04 🔗 alexs_ do you know where I should go for my Yahoo Videos archive-related question (if you can see that)
21:07 🔗 astrid yeah i see that, sorry i don't have good insight
21:07 🔗 astrid this is the right place to ask
21:07 🔗 alexs_ ok
21:07 🔗 alexs_ I'll ask in #archiveteam-ot as well
21:07 🔗 astrid saw that too :)
21:07 🔗 alexs_ yeah
21:08 🔗 alexs_ I wanted to find videos which had been deleted from YouTube, but may have been on Yahoo Video at the time it was deleted
21:10 🔗 alexs_ members of Archive Team who were around back in 2011 might have better insight
21:11 🔗 astrid yeah i was, there have been many things happening since and my memory is full
21:13 🔗 astrid sorry
21:16 🔗 alexs_ https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Yahoo!_Video_Warroom According to this the section that I'm looking for was handled by Lambda_Dr/Guan
21:17 🔗 astrid ok let me dig thru my irc logs
21:18 🔗 alexs_ IDK why they didn't seem to have uploaded it to Internet Archvie
21:18 🔗 alexs_ *archive
21:18 🔗 astrid (i'm chronomex fwiw)
21:18 🔗 alexs_ so you handled the users I'm looking for at one time
21:18 🔗 astrid what user id in particular
21:19 🔗 alexs_ 55339 (it's jacksfilms)
21:19 🔗 astrid ok
21:19 🔗 alexs_ the Internet Archive had 50000-55000 but not 55000-60000 as far as I could tell
21:20 🔗 astrid can you link the 50000-55000 for me? i am bad at computers rn
21:21 🔗 alexs_ https://archive.org/details/ARCHIVETEAM-YV-0050001-0054999
21:22 🔗 astrid thx
21:24 🔗 astrid euh these item names are a mess
21:25 🔗 alexs_ A user whose records I was able to find (Justine Ezarik/iJustine) did not seem to have all of her uploads in the Internet Archive dump, however (she uploaded at least 200 videos, the file dump doesn't have nearly as many of her videos)
21:26 🔗 alexs_ I didn't download the files, I just looked at the "View Contents" page if that matters
21:26 🔗 astrid aye
21:26 🔗 astrid that's fine
21:27 🔗 astrid (my name is on this but it was 8 years ago and i have forgotten many things since then, heh)
21:27 🔗 alexs_ did some users not get all their videos saved?
21:27 🔗 astrid (i am piecing together what happened)
21:28 🔗 alexs_ (I guess it's possible iJustine deleted some of her videos before they could get grabbed)
21:28 🔗 astrid archiveteam was very disorganized until we got the tracker and seesaw system figured out
21:28 🔗 astrid which this predates
21:31 🔗 astrid sounds like Lambda_Dr did the initial scrape and guan filled in the pages that failed
21:31 🔗 alexs_ ok
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21:33 🔗 alexs_ could the video be hidden somewhere in the Internet Archive collection that I couldn't find? It seems to skip over 55000-60000
21:33 🔗 astrid yeah i see that too
21:33 🔗 astrid the thing is
21:34 🔗 alexs_ it could just be that it wasn't uploaded for whatever reason
21:34 🔗 astrid there are packs with numbers like 0055001 which are 7 digits long, and other packs with numbers like 002399997 which are 9 digits long
21:35 🔗 astrid and there are video ids(?) in that wiki page which are 7 digits long with no leading 0s
21:35 🔗 alexs_ yeah i don't know what was going there
21:35 🔗 alexs_ the videos are sorted by user ID
21:35 🔗 astrid thing is i don't either and i'm not finding a lot of evidence to explain this
21:35 🔗 astrid ok that helps
21:35 🔗 alexs_ the iJustine find confirmed that
21:36 🔗 alexs_ Which is why I bemoaned not being able to find 55000-60000
21:36 🔗 astrid aye
21:37 🔗 astrid i will bother underscor sometime soon. send me your email address in PM and i'll get back to you sometime soon?
21:37 🔗 astrid traveling this week so i am spotty availability tbh
21:37 🔗 astrid or, better, email me astrid@smith.seattle.wa.us
21:47 🔗 alexs_ ok
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21:48 🔗 _tbhetz Was IA hit by the earth quake? Any progess archiving the archive?
21:50 🔗 JAA I was wondering about that in the first moment as well, but probably not significantly since the epicentre was a fair bit away from SF.
21:50 🔗 arkiver afaik it was not affected
21:51 🔗 _tbhetz Did they see disk latency spike ... heh?
21:52 🔗 _tbhetz Anyway sorry guys that i ahve not managed to setup an warrion fleet at my student internet provider, since big supprise ... i have to study :) Hope to do that by 2020 :)
21:53 🔗 _tbhetz Are any changes to planned to the warrior infrastructure?
21:54 🔗 alexs_ Is there a good earthquake/disaster-related backup plan at the Internet Archive
21:55 🔗 JAA _tbhetz: I'm not aware of any plans, but I sure hope things change...
21:55 🔗 _tbhetz What problems are there with the trusty old warrior?
21:55 🔗 hook54321 If a student internet provider is like university internet access or something it's best not to set one up there if they do filtering.
21:56 🔗 alexs_ There is IA.BAK but that's not a big thing at all
21:56 🔗 alexs_ and there are external mirrors but I'm not sure how complete they are
21:57 🔗 _tbhetz There is no filtering
21:57 🔗 _tbhetz university multi GBit, symmetric
21:59 🔗 _tbhetz (well no filterng except UPD for which we need to get a statefull (CISCO) firewall first (those things are fucking expensive))
22:00 🔗 _tbhetz Anyway yeah, when i find the time to do it (likely not before December) i tell you.
22:02 🔗 _tbhetz See you
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22:04 🔗 JAA alexs_: IA isn't very open about those internals. There is the online mirror, but that's just a few km from the main DC, so that doesn't help for the earthquake case. I haven't heard anything about the plans in Canada since the end of the donation drive in late 2017, but I vaguely remember reading somewhere that that wasn't going to be a full mirror anyway for financial reasons. IA.BAK is an AT
22:04 🔗 JAA project which mirrors only very little data and can only do so for publicly downloadable files I believe; I also have no idea how active it is these days.
22:05 🔗 JAA But I'm sure the fine folks at IA have thought about this before. Chances are we'll only hear about it after disaster strikes though.
22:05 🔗 alexs_ Why can't they just disclose their plans?
22:06 🔗 alexs_ They cold be worried about someone trying to bring the whole thing down, I guess
22:06 🔗 alexs_ *could
22:06 🔗 JAA ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You'd have to ask them about that.
22:06 🔗 JAA (And probably wouldn't get an answer.)
22:09 🔗 alexs_ do you have any extra insights about my Yahoo requests?
22:09 🔗 JAA Unfortunately no, that was long before my time here.
22:09 🔗 ivan_ alexs_: which deleted youtube thing are you looking for?
22:10 🔗 alexs_ I was looking for old Jacksfilms videos he deleted
22:12 🔗 ivan_ see PM
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22:22 🔗 Igloo 23:53 < _tbhetz> Are any changes to planned to the warrior infrastructure?
22:22 🔗 Igloo I have plans.
22:22 🔗 Igloo It's being re-done as a docker manager and each project will run as a docker container to get around the funk
22:22 🔗 Igloo as different projects ues different scripts needing different requirements
22:25 🔗 Fusl i still dont have github org admin access so i cant do any of that stuff that i wanted to do :/
22:26 🔗 Igloo Do we know who owns the account?
22:26 🔗 Igloo arkiver: has org rights actually
22:29 🔗 JAA GitHub org access is not the problem, Docker Hub is.
22:32 🔗 Igloo Github was asked about just by Fusl
22:32 🔗 Igloo I did ask about Docker Hub but I don't know who registered it.
22:35 🔗 Fusl JAA: we can just as well create a new docker hub account but we cant create a new github account without moving that stuff over :P
22:44 🔗 Kaz I have org rights on GH
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22:46 🔗 JAA Ditto.
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22:52 🔗 Igloo Makes sense to do that Fusl
22:53 🔗 Igloo Get org rights from ^ (me also please if im trusted :p)
22:53 🔗 Igloo and make a new hub account.
22:53 🔗 JAA I feel like we haven't exhausted all options yet for finding who operates the existing account.
22:54 🔗 JAA Would be nice to keep it under "archiveteam".
22:54 🔗 Igloo Can we ask them i wonder? :-/
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22:57 🔗 Kaz eh
22:57 🔗 Kaz why do we keep going in circles with this (or have I missed something?)
22:57 🔗 Kaz yipdw created the account
22:58 🔗 Igloo Because no onw knew Kaz.
22:58 🔗 Fusl_ yipdw probably did but i wasnt able to reach him
22:59 🔗 astrid so what remains to be done
22:59 🔗 astrid let's stop going in circles
22:59 🔗 astrid i will be in chicago shortly
22:59 🔗 JAA I'll get in touch with yipdw.
22:59 🔗 astrid (as in like sunday or monday, much traveling in my near future)
22:59 🔗 Igloo Just get the credentials from yipdw.
23:00 🔗 astrid what level of rubber hose do we need to employ
23:00 🔗 Igloo 4. :-p
23:00 🔗 Fusl_ 40
23:00 🔗 Kaz Igloo: tbf that bit wasn't aimed at you - we've had this conversation in the past and people *do* know now
23:01 🔗 Igloo Fair enough, but as a whole we need to get less shit at this.
23:01 🔗 Igloo Anyway, get creds. hand out org rights to Fusl (and I’d like it too). Then we can move on.
23:02 🔗 Fusl_ also: https://wiki.opennic.org/opennic/serviceaccounts something like this is what we have over at opennic, may be useful for AT too?
23:03 🔗 JAA https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Archiveteam:People
23:03 🔗 JAA It's just outdated by five years or something.
23:04 🔗 Fusl_ yeah, it looks fairly outdated
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23:42 🔗 hook54321 I've been meaning to try to remove the people on there that aren't around very often anymore
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23:52 🔗 CoolCanuk nice to see the wiki is reliable now
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