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SketchCow |
https://gizmodo.com/airbnb-bans-over-60-white-supremacists-after-iron-march-1840420392 |
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SketchCow |
ha ha oh wow |
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Raccoon |
> The spokesperson added that all of the Iron March users found on Airbnb appeared to have been guests, rather than hosts. |
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ivan |
want to make a joke about the item being darked but it's the Internet |
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Raccoon |
well that's boring |
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Raccoon |
Headline conclusion is clickbait aimed at "landlords discriminate against black people looking for a room" |
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Raccoon |
who really cares if neo nazis rent a hotel or bnb |
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SketchCow |
I care. |
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Raccoon |
Extracting money from neo-nazis is probably a good thing. |
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Raccoon |
Don't ban them, charge them a 50% premium. |
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I don't want your hot cakes or hot takes |
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Auctus |
doesn't that just lead to a situation where everyone hates each other? e.g. later on you'll have hotels in the south saying they don't allow guests with ACLU bumper stickers, or something |
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this is -ot stuff |
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Myself |
So, help me understand "Server returned 0 (HERR)", would I recognize this status by another name? |
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Wingy |
Can anyone see my messages? |
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markedL |
Myself it's one of the connection type errors, so no data was transferred |
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OrIdow6 |
Wingy: No |
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OrIdow6 |
(As old as it is) |
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Wingy |
OrIdow6 lol |
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Wingy |
Thanks |
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My TheLounge instance is working now |
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markedL |
Myself : actually, I'm not certain if a disconnection in the middle might give that error also |
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Given the barely-dribbles on my bandwidth graph, I suspect it represents a very small or nonexistent exchange of packets... |
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markedL |
the other 0, are SSLERR , CONNERR |
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JAA |
HERR stands for "header error" and occurs when wget either fails to find the header termination (i.e. empty line) or can't extract the response status code. |
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JAA |
(There's one other case involving proxies, but that's not relevant here.) |
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JAA |
I think if the connection is never established or the request can't be sent or similar, you won't get an HERR. |
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Myself |
At any moment, the majority of my plays.tv threads are "(HERR), sleeping....", so I was wondering. |
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JAA |
Yeah, their servers suck, so wget fails to read the response headers within some reasonable time limit. |
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Myself |
gotcha. Thank you for your patience with this newbie, by the way! :) |
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JAA |
:-) |
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LowLevelM |
SketchCow: What do you think about changing the irc wiki links to hackint? |
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Wingy |
Why is everything moving to hackint btw? |
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LowLevelM |
19:50 <@JAA> EFnet sucks because: netsplits, server outages, ridiculous channel limits, no services, broken web chat; hackint's awesome because: stable, services, security (TLS required), accessibility (XMPP etc., though that's apparently not working properly at the moment), policy, backed by like-minded people (Chaos Computer Club) |
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LowLevelM |
19:56 <@JAA> Oh yeah, two more points for the list above: EFnet has ridiculous limits not only for the number of channels you can join but also for nicknames and topic lengths. And hackint is one of the few networks that has valid TLS certificates. |
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kiiwii |
What would be the best way to archive gopherholes? I'm using this thing called gopherdl and putting a site into their own 7z archive, but I'm doing every site manually since I don't know of an automatic way of doing it. |
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markedL |
ooh, uh, is .warc defined for gopher: ? |
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kiiwii |
From what I see on y'all's wiki, no. |
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JAA |
Nope |
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kiiwii |
That's why I was just putting each gopherhole in a archive lol |
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JAA |
WARC is very much "implementation first please". |
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JAA |
But even though I don't know much about Gopher, WARC is probably the right format for it. |
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JAA |
Someone just needs to write the code for it. |
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markedL |
gopherdl is in python so we could put it into a pipeline warrior at least |
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markedL |
how many sites are there tho |
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JAA |
392 unique servers per http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?gopher/0/v2/vstat |
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JAA |
With 4.4M selectors |
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kiiwii |
I mean, I can manually put in all 392 unique servers through gopherdl and just let it run overnight |
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markedL |
could use the web proxy? |
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markedL |
http://gopher.floodgap.com/gopher/gw?=gopher.floodgap.com+70+312f6e6577 can put these webpages into .warc. and WBM |
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kiiwii |
oh |
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JAA |
Yeah, but meh. |
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kiiwii |
I'll need to read up on .warc files |
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JAA |
Also, Floodgap specifically will almost certainly ban you very quickly. |
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kiiwii |
for going through and archiving their crap? |
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JAA |
Yeah, they have bot traps and everything. |
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kiiwii |
dang, that's stupid :/ |
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OrIdow6 |
Point of WARC is to get metadata + most accurate representation of source - by doing it through an HTTP proxy you get more public access (through WBM) in the short term, but at the cost of no metadata + potential generation loss (from conversion to HTML) in the long-term - instead of warcs of Gopher protocol directly (best), or low-metadata but pristine 7z files (medium) |
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markedL |
it's small enough to do in 3x , once per format |
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betamax |
SketchCow: it (may?) be worth tweeting out a link to the Yahoo Groups nomination form again |
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betamax |
https://tinyurl.com/savegroups |
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betamax |
as with ~22 hours to go, it's close enough to the deadline that people won't put it off |
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and we still (probably) have enough time to grab any more groups that are submitted |
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godane |
SketchCow: so the retromags people don't want you to upload there scans |
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godane |
example of some of the chatter : https://www.retromags.com/forums/topic/11191-japanese-magazines-scan-project/page/7/ |
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Myself |
Kaz: I don't want to suck up folks' time that could be better spent elsewhere, but I'm curious to learn more, especially if it helps me keep my warriors productive rather than bottlenecked |
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Kaz |
essentially, the AT choice project is just a flat 'everyone go do this' across the board |
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Kaz |
switching projects isn't easy, as it means stopping all the jobs you're currently working on, kicking off the whole 'new' project, etc |
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and warrior doesn't support running multiple projects at the same time |
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SketchCow |
godane: I'm quite aware of the variant, internally inconsistent, troubled feelings over at Retromags. |
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SketchCow |
As usual, when any of them leave the realm of observable facts (things are uploaded into the internet archive, the internet archive is a 503(c) company) and move into the realm of speculation; their opinions and ideas fall pretty flat. |
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Raccoon |
You mean there's an argument that consists of more than just pride and desire to be the exclusive go-to? |
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SketchCow |
That's not what they're taking issue with. |
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Raccoon |
I'm honestly intrigued and curious how it goes. |
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Myself |
Seems to me that they're shocked, SHOCKED, that librarians have rent to pay and food to buy. |
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SketchCow |
That's not it either. |
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Raccoon |
No, that's the Old Time Radio peep's argument |
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SketchCow |
I think it's a combination of general unhappiness with magazine scans being uploaded a lot, and a general lack of UI/effort on Internet Archive's part to explain ourselves. |
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SketchCow |
Also, a belief that somehow we're making profit off their work, which is not true. |
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Raccoon |
So they're bashful of their own sub-par quality, and blame it on lack of PR on your part to insist people be more grateful for what they get |
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SketchCow |
AND a belief that Mega is somehow better in some way, I mean, jesus christ we've been trying to extradite the founder for years. |
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SketchCow |
No, that's not it either. |
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SketchCow |
Maybe misunderstanding is just endemic to all communities instead of this one. |
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SketchCow |
I find young technical men are really, REALLY good at being handed "A" and "L" and then just flat-out extrapolating the entire alphabet from that data sample. |
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SketchCow |
And then getting really, really angry at that alphabet. |
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SketchCow |
Super, super angry. |
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Raccoon |
This is probably worth a wiki article somewhere |
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SketchCow |
No, no. |
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SketchCow |
That's not going to help anything. |
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Raccoon |
It's not going to help the idgets, but it'll give the rest of us full scope and laughing rights |
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SketchCow |
Look, scanning magazines is a lonely, annoying, unpleasant, low-reward high-risk hobby. |
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SketchCow |
Anyone who has the personality to do it not poorly (using a feed scanner and never checking again) is fucking miserable. |
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Raccoon |
analog reproduction of anything is |
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SketchCow |
You work your ass off to get everything just right, and the result of your work is a little file that is now entering a world where copying it is trivial. |
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Myself |
if UI and effort to explain the mission is in short supply, surely it would benefit more than just this situation, isn't that where effort would be best directed? |
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Raccoon |
I'm still stupid proud that anyone would host my efforts on their machine boxes for more than 10 years so my grand kids might rediscover it |
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SketchCow |
https://archive.org/details/@kitsunebi77 |
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SketchCow |
So, he's worked very hard and he's uploaded a bunch of stuff. |
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SketchCow |
All towards the goals of, as an unnamed colleage defines it "Endless pages of sexualized drawn-as-underage girls provided for an all-male adult audience" |
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SketchCow |
When I joined the archive as an employee, in 2011, I have to stress the situation that there were a set community of fellas on that site, users, who were VERY UNHAPPY their secret of The Internet Archive was being blown open by me, specifically me. |
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SketchCow |
The archive used to get, I think it was.... 50-100 new items a day. |
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SketchCow |
They would, stick with me here, THEY WOULD HARASS PEOPLE WHO UPLOADED MORE |
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SketchCow |
Because it was making it "too hard" to see all the new things |
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Raccoon |
this on IA? |
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SketchCow |
I came in, went "well", adjusted my top hat |
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And here we fucking are. |
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SketchCow |
Raccoon, I haven't figured you out yet. |
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SketchCow |
Pulling this back to my pal godane - I haven't uploaded a magazine or frankly any scan in months. |
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SketchCow |
I have certainly uploaded stuff people FTP'd to me to get up there, but I'm not doing that myself, a script does it. |
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SketchCow |
There is also a set of automatic scripts I wrote in the last year that do most of the sorting for me, too. I don't even look at them. |
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Raccoon |
SketchCow, honoured I guess? :) But it's all interesting stuff and I think worthy an update to your livejournal at the least if not a wiki page. |
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SketchCow |
I certainly don't think the people in the retromags thread understand that 16,000 items are uploaded to internet archive in the open and similar collections a day. |
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Or that we barely break even, partially by design |
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i figured you most likely didn't look at time |
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*at them at the time |
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i think there piss off cause there work is put up on IA like (nintendo power for example) then there freaking out cause there fear there going be next |
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Speaking of me not seeing things, I see the archive team inbox was filling up. |
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I just added some rules to my sorter and that's draining now. |
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godane |
btw the scans that kitsunebi77 uploaded was scans with no known scanner (mostly) that he found else where |
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godane |
also btw i'm still trying to find some stuff like animage magazine cause there is a forum on vk.com that a shit ton of pages scans but no full issue to down |
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I'm sure he'll respond joyfully to my e-mail. |
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i backed up his stuff to my personal archive just in case |
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SketchCow: Speaking of IA constructive criticism, and maybe some light ribbing... mind if I ask here? |
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I mean, this is in your theme |
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Did you have any hand in the terriblehorrible stage audio work for that cDc panel on YouTube? Or can you prevent that shit from happening again? I noticed your name scrolling in the chats but didn't notice if you took credit. |
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I like where you called it constructive criticism |
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I look forward to your very fat check for A/V services |
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At the time of the cDc panel I was in NY. I have nothing to do with any livestreaming I'm not attending. |
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All livestreaming of the October event is handled by a paid company we now have worked with for years, they get paid thousands, and they bring their own equipment. |
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Attempts to tell brewster he should randomly pay tens of thousands of dollars for A/V upgrades has fallen on deaf ears for some reason |
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Ah, ok. What was the october event, and its relationship to stage audio of today and yesteryear? |
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Literally go look it up |
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SketchCow gestures to... the web |
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Do you want to know my nickname for you, Raccoon? |
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Constructively? |
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Raccoon just meant the one I was talking about was in June, so got lost |
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Myself makes popcorn |
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oop |
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"Two kids in a trenchcoat" |
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Or, twokids for short |
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You talk like a lot of people are wrestling for the controls |
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Anyway, Archive Team Inbox is starting to come under control. |
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Looks like it was mostly plays.tv saves, those are getting redirected automatically now. It was at 3,800 items and is now at 2,300 and dropping |
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so the lion magazine is up to 2004 on IA |
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godane |
good news is you got all the very old ones |
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I haven't touched the godane inbox in 3-4 days, so I'm sure there's 35,000 items waiting for me |
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godane |
only 3085 |
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would be if the dtic stuff was still there from 5 days ago |
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That gets auto-directed, thankfully |
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anyways i'm asking a youtuber that does old anime videos send me sources of the stuff he used in the video if possible |
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Damn, this is taking a while, but it's down to 600 and dropping |
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Oh, I see, of the last 600, there's tons of them still in the derive phase. |
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SketchCow: so your going be getting a magazine called Film Score Monthly soon |
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Oh good. |
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the website has all the issues |
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I've read that retromags thread from the beginning. |
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kitsunebi77 just seems to have a bad day or two in November and goes off the rails. |
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Oh, here we are "KiwiArcader" launches into a tirade against archive.org, and kitsune, strangely, just absorbs the wild criticisms and keeps going. |
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i have slowly backing up KiwiArcader work for years |
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some of it is in TOSEC-PIX and the TOSEC-PIX Candadiates |
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He sounds cranky |
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I just like where they're going "low quality scans".... archive.org doesn't scan magazines. |
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the only time i'm bother but IA scans is sometimes with magazines where words are cut of at the edge of pages |
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but some of that has to do with scanning a binder of magazines like any of the borrowed newsweek magazines |
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If somebody made an Android app for taking 'photo scans', where I can just hover a phone over the table top, and it automatically snaps and crops each page-flip, I'd definitely get back into it. Quality and speed is pretty unmatched to flatbet scanner. Much less bleed-through from the other page side too. |
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All those phone scanners are dog vomit. |
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until they aren't |
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i think the shitty ones are using video mode |
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They have a long way to go to not dog vomit |
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And certainly not hand-held |
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tripod mounts are 99 cents |
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Think i'll ask someone from Open Camera what they think. Might be an easy add-on to at least experiment. It already has several sensor-based (ie, level detect) auto snap features. Might be able to get one for motion (no motion) detection auto snap. |
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I mean, sure, jank it up |
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Have a ball, twokids |
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Raccoon: That exceeds EFnet's nick length limit. :-P |
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But yeah, video with accelerometer data could be interesting. |
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There's probably a market for that too, my workphone has some fancy "whiteboard scanner" camera app. |
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I think most of the current apps just take photos/low-framerate videos and then try to stitch them together by detecting overlap. |
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Video-mode document scanning will always be bad for the remainder of our lifetime. Still frame capture is absolutely necessary. |
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When it should really be more like photogrammetry, e.g. using drones to create 3D models of entire buildings etc. |
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There might be superresolution techniques you could use if your IMU data is good enough. There's a research paper in here, I tellya. |
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Nobody's making any moves to build a camera sensor that can take video at full hardware resolution and gigabit bandwidth. |
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camera sensor + support hardware |
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it's not just a tripod mount, it's the lighting, and the flattening of the paper |
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try one, I bet it won't get any jobs |
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it's working as expected |
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So, regarding Story Wars: there's a discussion forum on the site which is only visible with an account (but the API endpoint is accessible without login, lol). They aren't shutting down after all and claim they'll be safe for at least 5 years. Why this was only announced in some forum thread that is now buried on page 3 is beyond me. |
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JAA: giant eyerolll |
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And there are blogs, which are also not linked anywhere unless you're logged in. Those pages are actually publicly visible though, it seems. This site is so awful. |
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SPA of course. |
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Anyway, I'll start an archival of the forums and blogs as well. |
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Just the API data for the former. |
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At least the API can take a fair amount of abuse without any impact. It returns 403s and 500s for inexistent stuff though. |
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Also, I noticed that there are "mature" stories which are only accessible with an account, and for those the API actually requires auth as well. |
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There are only quite few of them though, 247 as of right now (out of ~70k IDs). |